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Post by Ausi90 Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:16 am

Spain and Brazil gotto to be the most talent making countries in football. It's amazing Spain have world class players in their bench. Brazil have so many top players in Europe, u keep losing count of it.

How many top teams/XI could they field if they were allowed to do so in an international competition?

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Post by Onyx Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:20 am

Probably around 3-4.

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Post by REWB Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:06 am

world class XI? currently? since when was brazil's first team world class? Laughing

spain could probably make 2, and thats it.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:14 am

Casillas
Arbeloa Ramos Pique Alba
Xabi Busquets
Silva Xavi Iniesta
Cesc

Valdes
Azpi Inigo Albiol Monreal
Martinez Benat
Mata Isco Pedro
Llorente

Reina
Carjaval Dominguez SanJose Enrique
JaviGarcia
Thiago Arteta
Navas Villa Muniain

Pretty good.
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Post by REWB Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:18 am

likeastar wrote:
Casillas
Arbeloa Ramos Pique Alba
Xabi Busquets
Silva Xavi Iniesta
Cesc

Valdes
Azpi Inigo Albiol Monreal
Martinez Benat
Mata Isco Pedro
Llorente

Reina
Carjaval Dominguez SanJose Enrique
JaviGarcia
Thiago Arteta
Navas Villa Muniain

Pretty good.

damn, now that's a squad
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:27 am

we can make only one world class team. but we can make about 3 top teams

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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:35 am

World class? One, each.
In fact Spain could make one world class XI, Brazil could probably make like 2/3rds of one.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:36 am

Ganso wrote:we can make only one world class team. but we can make about 3 top teams


Diego Alves
Dani Alves Silva Dante Marcelo
Hernanes Fernandinho
Lucas Oscar Neymar
Pato

Julio Cesar
Rafael Luiz Dede Filipe
Ramires Paulinho
Hulk Kaka Willian
Damiao

Jefferson
Danilo Marquinhos Castan Adriano
Leiva Gustavo
Coutinho Jadson Robinho
Fabiano

Not so sure about the third. Pato is the best Brazilian striker out there IMO.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:01 am

--------------------Cesar-----------------
-Alves-Thiago-Dante-F. Luis/Marcelo
---------Hernanes---Paulinho---------
---Lucas--------Oscar--------Neymar
---------------Fred/Pato/Damiao------

This is one of the best NTs out there, so yes it is world class.main difference between this nt and every other one is that our core is made up of u22 players
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:04 am

Spain's 2nd choice defense and forward line would not be anywhere close to "World class". They have tons of great midfielders but how many great strikers and defenders do they really have? Not enough to field 2 or 3 teams. Brazil's team nowadays certainly has talent but have they been consistent enough to warrant that title? Not really.

So I agree with viva.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:11 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Spain's 2nd choice defense and forward line would not be anywhere close to "World class". They have tons of great midfielders but how many great strikers and defenders do they really have? Not enough to field 2 or 3 teams. Brazil's team nowadays certainly has talent but have they been consistent enough to warrant that title? Not really.

So I agree with viva.
well,a XI =/= a national team.

XI is more based on the amount of quality players not if they would work together and what not
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:21 am

Brazil still can't fill each and every position with a world class player. They can fill all positions with very good players, but world class is something I reserve for the special ones.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:29 am

so germany and spain are the only world class teams in the world?
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:30 am

Yeah that sounds about accurate to me.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:34 am

I guess that depends on the definition of world class.

Also, at least imo, Germany and Spain's starting 11 are not made up of world class players.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:36 am

Germany

Neuer
Lahm Hummels Howedes Schmelzer
Schweinsteiger Khedira
Muller Ozil Gotze
Reus

Ter Stegen
Boateng Badstuber Merte Castro
Gundogan Sven
Draxler Kroos Podolski
Gomez

Adler
Jung Westermann Wollscheid Contento
Lars
Holtby Leitner
Schurrle
Klose Cacau

The 3rd is pretty average, but would still qualify for WC/Euro
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:48 am

Kießling could easily go head to head with most international strikers. And Schürrle can comfortably be moved to LM.
Though if we assume that Klose isn't injured, he heads team #1s attack.

But even there, the first team has Schmelzer and Höwedes who aren't world class, in team two only Kroos and Gomez are world class, and Gomez is only world class as long as he's getting good service within the penalty box.

Team 3s only WC player would be Klose, in your version. Though Holtby and Leitner will get there.

It's a team that would still qualify, agreed, but only the 1st team is WC, and even there you can argue over Khedira nad Höewedes, while Schmelzer clearly isn't up there. And Hummels has more lapses than someone we call "world class" should have.

Neat teams, but world class? Not so sure.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:06 am

Ganso wrote:I guess that depends on the definition of world class.

Also, at least imo, Germany and Spain's starting 11 are not made up of world class players.
Not the entire eleven. But they only have 2 or 3 players that are not in contention to be WC: Howedes, Schmelezer and Khedira for Germany and Arbeloa, Pedro, and Alba for Spain. Compare that to other NTs and there would be a lot more. Besides, as a collective, these two NTs are a head above the rest imo.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:13 am

---------------Cesar--------------
Alves-Thiago-Dante-Marcelo

------Hernanes--Paulinho-----
--Hulk------Oscar----Neymar---
----------------CF------------------

Thats basically about 3-4 non world class players on our team.but then again,it returns to the "what is 'to be' considered world class?" problem
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:21 am

Sure but like I previously said, Brazil don't play like a WC team. They're in consistent, in transition. That is far more important to me. Also, Hulk and Cesar is stretching the meaning of WC for my taste.
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Post by Ganso Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:33 am

hulk,yeah,thats why i said 3-4 non wc players but cesar has been one of the, if not the best gk in england this season and was amazing vs both italy and england
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Post by barca 2011 Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:09 pm

http://www.goallegacy.net/t26441-football-formation-creator-thread?highlight=Creator


This thread shows Spain's depth as far as how many XIs could start and still be decent. Someone should make a brazil edition hmm
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Post by juventus101 Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:57 pm

All of the 4 best national sides could make 2 top teams in my opinion.

SPAIN:
1. Casillas - Arbeloa, Ramos, Albiol, Carvajal - Alonso, Martinez, Fabregas - Cazorla, Llorente, Silva.
2. Reina - Apzilicueta, Puyol, Pique, Alba - Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta - Torres/Pedro, Villa, Silva.

GERMANY:
1. Neuer - Lahm, Mertesacker, Badstuber, L. Bender - Schweinsteiger, Khedira - Muller, Ozil, Reus - Gomez.
2. Adler - Boateng, Howedes, Hummels, Schmelzer - Gundogan, S. Bender - Gotze, Kroos, Podolski - Klose.

ITALY:
1. Buffon - Barzagli, Bonucci, Peluso - Maggio, De Rossi, Pirlo, Nocerino, De Sciglio - Balotelli, El Shaarawy.
2. De Sanctis - Ogbonna, Cannavaro, Chiellini - Abate, Montolivo, Verratti, Marchisio, Giaccherini - Giovinco, Di Natale.

BRAZIL:
1. Cesar - Alves, Luiz, Alex, Maxwell - Ramires, Gustavo - Lucas, Hernanes - Neymar, Damiao.
2. Alves - Maicon, Silva, Dante, Marcelo - Ganso, Leiva - Diego, Kaka - Ronaldinho, Hulk.
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Post by The Nature Boy Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:28 am

apparently some people have a very loose definition of world class.

@likeastar... im not trying to be a dick or anything but out of the 9 XIs you posted, 1 of them is and 2 of them are CLOSE to being World class XIs. Spain can make 1, with some leftovers. Brazil cant make 1 full WC lineup, and neither can Germany.

People... World Class is not just big names... This is not a WC XI:
Alves - Maicon, Silva, Dante, Marcelo - Ganso, Leiva - Diego, Kaka - Ronaldinho, Hulk.

Neither is this...
De Sanctis - Ogbonna, Cannavaro, Chiellini - Abate, Montolivo, Verratti, Marchisio, Giaccherini - Giovinco, Di Natale.

Or any of the secondary and tertiary lineups that Likeastar made.
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:58 am

Romero; - Zabaleta - Garay - Fernandez - Ansaldi; - Gago - Mascherano - Di Maria; - Messi - Aguero - Higuain

Caballero; - Zanetti - Coloccini - Samuel - Campagnaro; - Banega - Costa; - Lavezzi - Palacio - Tevez - Lamela

Orion; - Clemente - Demichelis - Roncaglia - Insua; - Cambiasso - Lucho; - Pastore - Icardi - Barcos - Scocco

Saja; - Otamendi - Burdisso - Fazio - Rojo; - Yacob - Biglia - Gaitan - Montillo; - LiLopez - Milito

why cant i hold all this talent Proud the first two XIs are world class :coffee:

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