Re: Manchester United vs Real Madrid discussion

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:13 pm

Oh my the happiest day in the world has arrived. There are no EPL teams in the Quarters. You know what happened the last time when there were no EPL teams in the Quarters?

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by The Franchise Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:14 pm

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Since we're talking about wrong calls. Why the f*ck isn't anyone bringing out the fact that our goal should've stood in the first half? We should've been winning by half time.

Yeah and if we do that we can talk about a couple other Man Utd pen calls, the Varane red in first leg and so on...

The red today was biggest decisions of them all to go the wrong way, 1 goal doesnt end the tie..but losing a player does.

Thats why its getting the most talk, naturally.

by RealGunner Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:14 pm

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Nani has his eyes on the ball, all the time. He then hits Arbeloa in the underarm, not chest when Arbeloa runs towards him not the other way round.

That's why it was harsh.

by ronalessi Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:14 pm

Ferguson is refusing to do press conference.

by S Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:15 pm

juveman17 wrote:Oh my the happiest day in the world has arrived. There are no EPL teams in the Quarters. You know what happened the last time when there were no EPL teams in the Quarters?

I wanted United to go through but its still a consolation for me in the end that there will be no English team in the quarters.

I sympathize with United and their fans though.

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:15 pm

ronalessi wrote:Ferguson is refusing to do press conference.

Well thats considering Ferguson is a whiner when things dont go his way.

by CBarca Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:16 pm

Not really "harsh" as much as "blatantly wrong".

For those who are saying "intent doesn't matter boohoo". Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:17 pm

CBarca wrote:Not really "harsh" as much as "blatantly wrong".

For those who are saying "intent doesn't matter boohoo". Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

He kicked him in straight in for the challenge. Its a 50-50 call to make depending on the situation. Was it harsh? Yes. Was it the wrong call? No. The ref had every right to make that call.

by McAgger Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:18 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Since we're talking about wrong calls. Why the f*ck isn't anyone bringing out the fact that our goal should've stood in the first half? We should've been winning by half time.

Yeah and if we do that we can talk about a couple other Man Utd pen calls, the Varane red in first leg and so on...

The red today was biggest decisions of them all to go the wrong way, 1 goal doesnt end the tie..but losing a player does.

Thats why its getting the most talk, naturally.

Hey I keep repeating that it wasn't a red. Yellow at best. But if people keep saying that this changed the match then that disallowed goal was equally important. Being 1-0 up mean that United would've to open up and try to score thus leaving room for the counter. And that's our game tbh.

If we're talking about one decision, why aren't we talking about the other?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:19 pm

btw intent does matter.... earlier this season Coloccini got sent off for us without even touching Suarez but because the intent was there he was sent off.

Nani was going for the ball and his eye on the ball, showing pictures when he made the contact just shows you are just trying to support your argument.

There is huge difference between what De Jong and Zlatan did etc etc to what Nani did....

There was no intent to hurt, and it does matter its in the bloody law books lol.

Yellow for me but meh.

by OLpower Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:19 pm

CBarca wrote:Not really "harsh" as much as "blatantly wrong".

For those who are saying "intent doesn't matter boohoo". Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

You are furious because you are barcelona fan.

I see 10 worst calls every week end.

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:19 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:btw intent does matter.... earlier this season Coloccini got sent off for us without even touching Suarez but because the intent was there he was sent off.

Nani was going for the ball and his eye on the ball, showing pictures when he made the contact just shows you are just trying to support your argument.

There is huge difference between what De Jong and Zlatan did etc etc to what Nani did....

There was no intent to hurt, and it does matter its in the bloody law books lol.

Yellow for me but meh.

Exactly it was a 50-50 call.

by Die Borussen Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:20 pm

so

there is a player

does exactly what nani does obviously without eye contact, but kills the other player

not a red?

by Lex Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:21 pm

Oh someone get out the violins for poor Nani and United Rolling Eyes

by sportsczy Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:21 pm

Like man u has never gotten an iffy call.

Like barca has never gotten an iffy call.

etc.

Karma is a biatch for teams who are used to getting bs calls and now have to be victims of them.

by timzink Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:21 pm

timzink wrote:I want United to go through as im an epl fan to go through but unfortunately I think Madrid will go through, they have too much quality not to . Manchester 1: Real 2

Can we please have some timzink love ? I was one of the few people that called it correctly . If you want to make an appreciation thread about me as well i wont stop you .

It was a red card, as roy keane said there doesnt have to be intent for a dangerous act to warrant a red card and tbh the team that had a better chance of winning the competition went through, fair result

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:22 pm

Lex wrote:Oh someone get out the violins for poor Nani and United

Someone get a tissue for Gus Johnson. That prick was a Man Utd fan the whole game.

by The Franchise Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:22 pm

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Since we're talking about wrong calls. Why the f*ck isn't anyone bringing out the fact that our goal should've stood in the first half? We should've been winning by half time.

Yeah and if we do that we can talk about a couple other Man Utd pen calls, the Varane red in first leg and so on...

The red today was biggest decisions of them all to go the wrong way, 1 goal doesnt end the tie..but losing a player does.

Thats why its getting the most talk, naturally.

Hey I keep repeating that it wasn't a red. Yellow at best. But if people keep saying that this changed the match then that disallowed goal was equally important. Being 1-0 up mean that United would've to open up and try to score thus leaving room for the counter. And that's our game tbh.

If we're talking about one decision, why aren't we talking about the other?

Because the red is the most important one as I said.

Yes, you being 1-0 up means they have to open up. Thats true.

But Varane being sent off in the first leg, that game would of been different too and you might need even be in the position where 1 goal up today would be enough.

The point about this decisions is, it killed the game basically.

This is the problem, if you give a none call (like not giving a red to Varane, not giving a goal for Madrid) the game continues on even terms. Both are wrong, but the game continues on equal terms.

A wrong red is the worst decision of all, because it nearly always ends the game.

by Juveman17 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:22 pm

timzink wrote:
timzink wrote:I want United to go through as im an epl fan to go through but unfortunately I think Madrid will go through, they have too much quality not to . Manchester 1: Real 2

Can we please have some timzink love ? I was one of the few people that called it correctly . If you want to make an appreciation thread about me as well i wont stop you .

It was a red card, as roy keane said there doesnt have to be intent for a dangerous act to warrant a red card and tbh the team that had a better chance of winning the competition went through, fair result

by OLpower Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:22 pm

Idiot wrote:so

there is a player

does exactly what nani does obviously without eye contact, but kills the other player

not a red?

This. Jumping with a high kick without watching if you may kick hard another player is a big foul. That kick landed and honestly half the referee would have gave the red.

by Vlad the Impaler Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:23 pm

Lex wrote:
danyjr wrote:I have to say, United players, their coach and fans should be absolutely proud of their performance. They showed why United has been the best English team in recent years. They don't have the money of City or Chelsea, they bring in British talent unlike Arsenal who constantly poach talent from foreign countries, yet they are always up there and often higher than the rest.

You have to give credit when its due. I wish I was a United fan right now, even though I know they are unjustifiably hurt.
calm down, sweetie

He is very calm.Pls go, you are useless here.

by The Franchise Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:23 pm

sportsczy wrote:Like man u has never gotten an iffy call.

Like barca has never gotten an iffy call.

etc.

Karma is a biatch for teams who are used to getting bs calls and now have to be victims of them.

Like you have never gotten iffy calls before this too.

Every big team gets calls, but naturally people are going to complain about when they are as fatal as today. I dont think its strange people are reacting like this.

by ronalessi Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:24 pm

Lex wrote:Oh someone get out the violins for poor Nani and United

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by CBarca Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:24 pm

juveman17 wrote:
CBarca wrote:Not really "harsh" as much as "blatantly wrong".

For those who are saying "intent doesn't matter boohoo". Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

He kicked him in straight in for the challenge. Its a 50-50 call to make depending on the situation. Was it harsh? Yes. Was it the wrong call? No. The ref had every right to make that call.

I have to wonder if the ref was doing his best Vermaelen performance by ball-watching. You're not supposed to watch the ball in the air (for obvious reasons), you're supposed to look at the players who will be challenging for it before the ball reaches them (again, for obvious reasons). Or at least the area of challenge.

If he had been looking at the players he surely would have seen Nani's eyes on the ball the whole time, his leg out to trap the ball like a player will do.

Those talking about intent, those talking about it being an obvious red. Please, please explain to me what Nani is supposed to do there.

There is a reason why that's not a red. You should be able to lift your leg up in this game without fear of a red.

Was De Jong's kick a red? Yes. He knew exactly what he was doing and he went in to hurt Alonso- that's not allowed. It's a red.

Nani was simply trying to trap a ball and he receives a red for it.

People in the US and around me specifically call "soccer" players "field fairies". It's a shame (for them, they miss out on such a good sport). But with calls like this being made, you have to wonder where exactly is the sport heading? No more tough challenges, and even accidental cases like this one are being given a red.

It's worrying.

by harhar11 Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:26 pm

I don't know if it's tue but according to twitter Rooney said after the game that Barca defeated them by playing football while Real Madrid defeated them by robbing them..

But seeing as it's twitter, I'm going to say it's fake..

by McAgger Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:26 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:
The Franchise wrote:

Yeah and if we do that we can talk about a couple other Man Utd pen calls, the Varane red in first leg and so on...

The red today was biggest decisions of them all to go the wrong way, 1 goal doesnt end the tie..but losing a player does.

Thats why its getting the most talk, naturally.

Hey I keep repeating that it wasn't a red. Yellow at best. But if people keep saying that this changed the match then that disallowed goal was equally important. Being 1-0 up mean that United would've to open up and try to score thus leaving room for the counter. And that's our game tbh.

If we're talking about one decision, why aren't we talking about the other?

Because the red is the most important one as I said.

Yes, you being 1-0 up means they have to open up. Thats true.

But Varane being sent off in the first leg, that game would of been different too and you might need even be in the position where 1 goal up today would be enough.

The point about this decisions is, it killed the game basically.

This is the problem, if you give a none call (like not giving a red to Varane, not giving a goal for Madrid) the game continues on even terms. Both are wrong, but the game continues on equal terms.

A wrong red is the worst decision of all, because it nearly always ends the game.

Pointless to be bring the first leg up. That match was over and no one was complaining.

You can't possibly say that the wrong decisions in this match were of an equivalent value than that of the first leg.

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