When will mourinho get the sack and will he rejoin chelsea??

And why are Real Madrid 3rd? Blame it all on Mourinho ... he's everything that is wrong with Real Madrid.

Honest question: what percentage of blame goes to Mou according to your opinion?
50%? More? Less?

He would not be getting even the quarter blame here if he did not call himself the special one or the only one whenever the opportunity presented itself.

He put himself out there for this backlash if things went wrong and now he must accept all responsibility for Madrid underperforming.

are Madrid fans still backing him up? LOL

That's silly, what has anybody's nickname got to do with them getting blamed for results?

billy_gr wrote:Honest question: what percentage of blame goes to Mou according to your opinion?
50%? More? Less?

I find it difficult to put a number on it lol, simply because I don't know the details of what is going on exactly. However Jose obviously has to shoulder a large portion of the blame, simply because he is the leader and being held accountable is how leadership works.

However I need to add that the players shouldn't get no blame. If anything they should be getting just as much blame for making this more difficult than it needs to be.

kiranr wrote:He would not be getting even the quarter blame here if he did not call himself the special one or the only one whenever the opportunity presented itself.

He put himself out there for this backlash if things went wrong and now he must accept all responsibility for Madrid underperforming.

Come on now, any nicknames he has has nothing to do with it lol

TBH I wouldn’t be so harsh against him if it wasn’t for his arrogance.
He always proclaimed his self as someone above the other managers.
Statements addressing yourself as the only one or the special one only raise expectations of something exceptional, and let’s not kid ourselves, from a trophy point of view there is nothing special in Mou’s spell in Madrid.

Anyway I agree that the players should get their share of criticism too, but I don’t see how a guy who’s been given the keys of the store and total authority over pretty much everything shouldn’t take the greatest share

The issue is that Mou strives on conflict. He uses conflict as a unifying and motivating force... it's a huge part of his ammo. But here's the thing about conflict: It has a short lifecycle as a motivational tool. Eventually, it rings hollow with everyone or creates fatigue or both.

That's why Mou needs to keep moving every 2-3 years. His motivational tactics are not sustainable.

So how much of the blame does he get? 75% of it. He's the architect of the current atmosphere. Poor leadership can kill an organization regardless of how talented the staff is.

^^agreed

buddytaller wrote:And why are Real Madrid 3rd? Blame it all on Mourinho ... he's everything that is wrong with Real Madrid.

yeah but when he wins with us you are first to name him as the best manager for madrid, manager of the records and what not. when he loses we should now look at the players? classic

Mourinho is a master motivator, even in a season when most players are clearly off form, they've showed up in the big games. Real Madrid has played an inform Barcelona 4 times this season and only lost once in the Camp Nou in a competition Real Madrid eventually won and should have trashed Barcelona in the second leg.

The poor form of Real Madrid in the league is largely due fatigue after the Euros, injuries to key players in key positions at various times of the season, letting in a lot of sloppy goals due to poor marking at crosses and set pieces and some poor finishing by the strikers. Mourinho should share some of the blame but some of the players need to take a good look at themselves.

The bottom line is sacking Mourinho isn't the solution, it would only make matters worse, the egos in the Real Madrid locker room would be too much for most coaches. Too many players think they're indispensable and this has affected their performances, the league form is just a reality check, the team isn't as good as we all believed, and the only way Real Madrid can win stuff is by working together as a cohesive unit as they did in the record breaking la liga season.

Zealous wrote:

kiranr wrote:He would not be getting even the quarter blame here if he did not call himself the special one or the only one whenever the opportunity presented itself.

He put himself out there for this backlash if things went wrong and now he must accept all responsibility for Madrid underperforming.

Come on now, any nicknames he has has nothing to do with it lol

Not about nicknames, but he projected that he is majorly responsible for the success of his teams. By doing this he put himself out there for the inevitable backlash when results don't go your way and in this case he just has nowhere to hide/no excuses for the poor results in the league.

And what Nick said above.

u really think our players need to mou to motivate them to play barca, dortmund, city or the upcoming tie vs man utd? come on now. the egos in our locker room are the softest we have had in years. proof is that it's the way mou conducted himself that led people to stand in opposition. it used to be that the locker room would try to control everything, which is not the case anymore. we have a lovely bunch of guys in there, nothing to see with the old guys.

I think Mou is still doing a great job preparing Madrid for the big games. But then again, the players don't need a leader to motivate them for those lol. His problem is that he is getting tuned out in a less important games.

I think his big game success is attributable to the fact that good opponents play an open style against us. Madrid always play well in an open game. Where we are utter failures is PTB. Mou has no idea how to approach those. He eventually throws 5-7 forwards at the problem... and it becomes a cluster f-k on the attack.

There are major strengths and weaknesses with Mou. I think he's very good in a 2-year window... not more. EPL is the perfect league for him in terms of tactics (what tactics lol) and he knows it too.

Buddy the problems are tactical. Mourinho can't deal with teams that park the ball to him. He has built a quick counter-attacking team that relies on its fast players to catch the other off-guard. Small teams in Spain have figured out that Madrid are quite helpless if you cede possession to them and force Real to figure out other ways to attack. If some Madrid paper reports are to be believed, the players are less than impressed with the new ways he has devised to attack when in possession and even make jokes about it behind his back. This also explains why Madrid have played some of their best football vs Barca, a team that refuses to give away possession. And United won't either.

I'm not saying that motivation, fatigue, injuries etc don't have a role, but the main problems are obviously tactical. Also on motivation: in the previous years Mou picked a fight with UEFA, refs and Barca. Now he's picking it with Casillas and Ramos. Before he gave Madrid a common enemy, now he's a dividing force.

My God, these were the same players who were, not too long ago being knocked out in the second round of the Champions league and Copa del Rey.

Not too long ago, el clasico was a foregone conclusion, Real looked like sheep ready to be slaughtered, it wasn't a game of who could win, it was a game of what margin Real Madrid would lose by.

That has changed drastically, since the 5-0 defeat to Barcelona, Real has matched Barcelona boot to boot , with most matches ending in draws, despite Barcelona having the better players. Mourinho has played a huge role in achieving this.

If the players can motivate themselves then Mourinho should go and Benitez or some downgrade can be hired, I just don't believe that would in anyway serve Real Madrid's best interest.

even with pelle and his team of has been we looked better than mou during his first clasicos trashing.

Meh everyone can see Real Madrid's problem. It is to do with Mou not having any tactical solutions to teams that sit deep and defend. The players have complained about it. Look at how Barcelona developed under Pep. Teams played them openly in 09 and they tore them apart, then they started possession catenaccio after teams started paerking the bus and Pep found a solution. Last season teams tried going head to head with Real Madrid and they got torn apart. This season Real Madrid have no solutions.

That and Mourinho has burnt them out. There is cionstant tension and the players have all won trophies without Mourinho so he isn't seen in the same saviour light that he was in both Inter and Chelsea. After coming back from the relaxed atmosphere of spanish NT the players had had enough. They dont like Real Madrids stule of play after they played spanish football with the NT and Real Madrid are capable of playing a more Spanish style

The Franchise wrote:Benz missing tap in's isnt why you are 3rd. I think you know this.

I brought an example, other players have made mistake too.

When players are failing to do the basic jobs it can't be Mou's fault. i believe both Mourinho and the players should be equally blamed, that's more fair tbh.

Mr Nick09 wrote:even with pelle and his team of has been we looked better than mou during his first clasicos trashing.

Agreed. Sacking Pellegrini was a mistake. Pellegrinis football is more expansive. Mourinho has found a way to play Barcelona, that means sod all in a league where you only play Barcelona twice! Betis, Malaga, Granada, go and rewatch the games.

Pedram wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Benz missing tap in's isnt why you are 3rd. I think you know this.

I brought an example, other players have made mistake too.

When players are failing to do the basic jobs it can't be Mou's fault. i believe both Mourinho and the players should be equally blamed, that's more fair tbh.

I blame it mostly on Mou. Exactly the same tactics as last season whileother teams have adapted. He has no solutions and is usually the one that sits deep and is rigid. Now he has a chance to show he is an expansive coach and he is failing miserably. If BAramovich wants expansive attacking football, hiring Mourinho is a joke

Pedram wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Benz missing tap in's isnt why you are 3rd. I think you know this.

I brought an example, other players have made mistake too.

When players are failing to do the basic jobs it can't be Mou's fault. i believe both Mourinho and the players should be equally blamed, that's more fair tbh.

Especially since Benz has started only 9 of the 22 La Liga games lol. Scored 5 goals in 9 games as a starter though... not too bad.

Overrated team is overrated.
People were so quick to hand Madrid the mantle of 2nd best team in the world, now look.
1 season wonders

why is it so hard to understand that the rotation policy mou has maintained with higuain and benz is not productive? it was good for a year to let the better player emerge, but it has to stop to actually allow that player to keep growing. Put RVP and Falcao on the same team competing for the same spot and they would score half as many goals and look average.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Buddy the problems are tactical. Mourinho can't deal with teams that park the ball to him. He has built a quick counter-attacking team that relies on its fast players to catch the other off-guard. Small teams in Spain have figured out that Madrid are quite helpless if you cede possession to them and force Real to figure out other ways to attack. If some Madrid paper reports are to be believed, the players are less than impressed with the new ways he has devised to attack when in possession and even make jokes about it behind his back. This also explains why Madrid have played some of their best football vs Barca, a team that refuses to give away possession. And United won't either.

I'm not saying that motivation, fatigue, injuries etc don't have a role, but the main problems are obviously tactical. Also on motivation: in the previous years Mou picked a fight with UEFA, refs and Barca. Now he's picking it with Casillas and Ramos. Before he gave Madrid a common enemy, now he's a dividing force.

Teams parked the bus against Real Madrid last season too, the problem is that last season there was a certain Marcelo who could take defender on on the wings and create room for Ronaldo to do his magic, this season Madrid has played most matches with Essien, Arbeloa and Nacho at left back.

Again last season Di Maria was in scintillating form and everything he touched seemed to turn to gold, but he's been struggling this season despite putting in almost as much effort. Ozil, Benzema and Higgy have been very inconsistent.

I don't believe Mourinho deliberately picks up fights with his players, last season there was a similar expose by Marca which featured Ramos talking back at Mourinho. Assuming that story was true, did Mou bench Ramos because of that?

Casillas was dropped because his poor form was hurting the team, it's sad he's injured but it was clear his form was coming back after spending time on the sidelines, he got injured at the wrong time. Luckily the transfer window was not closed, and I must say I've been pleasantly surprised by the form of Lopez, if he keeps his form Casillas would have a tough time breaking back into the first 11.