the Zeman thread

[Lupi]

The Rome of Pep Guardiola for the upcoming season. Are you sure the head of the Portuguese A Bola, that the Giallorossi dg Franco Baldini would go to New York to try to convince the Spaniard to accept the Roman solution in the next season. The former Barcelona coach would not give a definitive answer to Baldini, who returned to Italy aware of the difficulty of bringing Guardiola in Rome after the brief experience as a player. The former coach Barca moved to the U.S. to spend a sabbatical year, but in recent days announced return to the bench next season.


i dont know what to make of it

[McLewis]

Meh....I think this would come too early for us. Zeman isn't finished yet and he's actually getting some good results from the players. With Pep, we'd be back to square one with a rich man's Luis Enrique. We'd be back to being a poor man's Barcelona and it would take him multiple seasons to do what LE tried and ultimately failed to do. Not fair to Pep at all considering the hate he'd get when we begin to lose matches during that transition.

[Lupi]

Meh....I think this would come too early for us. Zeman isn't finished yet and he's actually getting some good results from the players. With Pep, we'd be back to square one with a rich man's Luis Enrique. We'd be back to being a poor man's Barcelona and it would take him multiple seasons to do what LE tried and ultimately failed to do. Not fair to Pep at all considering the hate he'd get when we begin to lose matches during that transition.

but there is a problem that i don't think zeman can stay more than 2 years max duo to his age and the pressure he is under consistently and if the club plans to get guardiola , he wont be available by that time . I personally like zeman despite some bad results and i think he is a great Manager

[McLewis]

Meh....I think this would come too early for us. Zeman isn't finished yet and he's actually getting some good results from the players. With Pep, we'd be back to square one with a rich man's Luis Enrique. We'd be back to being a poor man's Barcelona and it would take him multiple seasons to do what LE tried and ultimately failed to do. Not fair to Pep at all considering the hate he'd get when we begin to lose matches during that transition.

but there is a problem that i don't think zeman can stay more than 2 years max duo to his age and the pressure he is under consistently and if the club plans to get guardiola , he wont be available by that time . I personally like zeman despite some bad results and i think he is a great Manager

Well yeah I definitely agree that Zeman will not last anything after 2 seasons minimum, but It think ousting him at the end of this season would be too soon honestly. Guardiola's a fantastic coach, but is he really what Roma needs right now? I have my reservations.

[flameas]

Guardiola would require more world-class players too. Our current squad could never play like Barcelona. Simple no class to do that.
Guardiola could be a long time solution, but not now. I woudlnt be upset if hed replace Zeman. Cant do worst than Zeman.

[McLewis]

Problem is, there's no such thing as a "long term" solution when we're talking about Roma here.

We don't have the luxury of many other sides because of the temperament of the fans and the Roman media.

[Lupi]

Kanye west to manage Roma , he said he can make a new Rome in one day Snoop dog as an assistant manager

[Lupi]

the future of zeman depends on two games , fiorentina and Inter , this site reports that he have less points than Enrique and its not only guardiola they are thinking anchelotti or klopp

http://www.romaforever.it/news/leggi.php?idNews=25991

No klopp , guardiola , mourinho, anchelotti , no one can help if the club change managers everyyear , are they trying to break some record , its stupid and painful

[flameas]

Ancelotti would do better. In defence. Personally im quite tired of those 4-3-3 all-attack managers... thats not for Italy. Maybe in La Liga where only 2 teams can play, but not here.
Besides, Ancelotti is an Roman hero.

We had a chance of signing Montella, but we let him go and did another gamble. Which isnt going so well.

[McLewis]

Ugh No Ancelotti....can't have a man that never plays youngsters coaching a side that only signs youngsters.

It would be the end as we know it for any chance of another primavera starlet getting a shot with the first team.

[flameas]

http://football-italia.net/29533/roma-squad-better-its-team


McLewis.. its still the old argument : are a team of young players good or bad? Arsene Wenger would say yes, but again, he has won almost nothing.
In terms of style and team popularity - young teams. In terms of results - teams whose most important players are alomost 30 or over.

A midfield of Bradley, Florenzi and Tachsidis just wont do.

[Onyx]

Roma have been linked with appointing former France coach Laurent Blanc should they choose to replace Zdenek Zeman.

The veteran coach is coming under serious pressure at the Giallorossi, with the team having slipped to just eighth in the Serie A standings.

Zeman’s insistence on an ultra-attacking approach has resulted in Roma shipping 38 goals in their 22 Serie A matches so far.

Only one side in the league have conceded more, Pescara, who are fighting for survival.

Now, according to Sky Sport 24, Roma are thinking about what a post-Zeman landscape could look like.

And Blanc is the man favoured in the Italian capital.

The 47-year-old is a free agent following his departure as France coach after Euro 2012 last summer.

He experienced Italian football as a player, turning out for Inter between 1999 and 2001.

[ErPupone]

dont have time to do so right now, but i'll write my thoughts out on the Zeman situation as soon as I get a chance. now, let's just wait to see what happens tomorrow, as he's set to meet with our management.

[narbeZ]

I'll be right pissed if they axe Zeman. I am tired of this manager merry go round that we have had since Ranieri.

I fully believe that Zeman is the right coach for us. 6 months with a club this young, and with this much turnover the past few seasons is not an adequate sample size.

I wish some Romanistas could have even a 1/10th of the patience that some of us on this board have.


We have seen some absolute brilliance from this young side this year, I'm willing to give everyone more time.

To bring in a manager like Blanc seems absolutely ludicrous. A definite departure from the way Zeman coaches, seems to be a move that would be more appropriate for a side looking to "avoid the drop", not a team like Roma.

[ErPupone]

Alright, at this point in time I see two possible options that our management could take:

A) Axe Zeman now and attempt to salvage the season with a caretaker (meaning we still believe to achieve 3rd place).

B) Stick with Zeman and stfu. This means giving Zeman complete control, everything from squad selection to disciplinary measures all while defending him to the death. Sabatini and Baldini would have the duty of supporting their manager (like they did for Luis Enrique) and not raise any questions over his decisions.

These are the only two sane options. If we attempt anything in between, we'll be stuck with the same mess with a declining atmosphere and continuous disputes between players and the manager.

My personal opinion would be to go with option B. Axing Zeman now would put the credibility of Sabatini and Baldini at serious risk. First of all, when they hired Zeman, they weren't hiring some new, first-time manager who you knew nothing about. They knew what they were going to get. They knew that they were going to get an ultra-offensive coach who's side will leak a lot of goals. They knew they were going to get a coach who's capable of grooming and developing young talent but who will stick to his ideas when it comes to making his squad selections. They knew they were going to get a coach who's going to make controversial statements during press conferences when asked about Juve, calcioscomesse, Stekelenburg and De Rossi. They knew all that, yet stuck to the idea of getting the Bohemian to lead the club. That means that they willingly accepted all the risks that came with hiring Zeman and knew that it would take a while to mold players into his 4-3-3. Now they're evaluating his position... well wtf did we get him for then? We knew what we were getting but were mesmerized by this dream of Zeman coming back for revenge. Now, as soon as things go wrong, we consider sacking him because we believe our players could do better. Firing Zeman would mean that our management failed 2 out of 2 times when it comes to managers which is enough to put their own positions in doubt.

Therefore, my suggestion is Option B along with a week long retreat starting immediately. Punish these players who aren't giving enough to the cause and show them that its time to get their act together. Quite frankly, I'm fed up of these stupid mistakes which cost us points. For this, I don't blame Zeman, I blame the players. Enough is enough.

[Lupi]

http://www.chiesaditotti.com/2013/1/28/3924896/the-problem-with-zeman-its-not-zeman

this makes sense , something to read

[McLewis]

Great article, Epoto.

I think he echoes Mike's points, which I do agree with.

I was never under any illusions with Zeman and therefore am not all that upset with where we are. Could we be a bit higher? Probably. Were we ever going to make the CL with a side like this? Nope.

Zemanlandia is a joyride. Enjoy it while it lasts and be ready to move on from it when it ends. It should not end this season though.

[flameas]

The problem is that players make stupid errors. We could have 5-10 points more if our defenders werent headless chickens.

Also, the management, for not buying the right players. We need more than just talents.

Ofcourse, letting Montella go.. that was just stupid.

[McLewis]

Disagree on the buying players portion, Flame.

We have the right players and if they stick together for the next few years and mature together, they will challenge for top honors. They are just not there right now and that was never the aim.

[ErPupone]

So its confirmed, Zeman remains in charge. He, along with Baldini, Sabatini, Fenucci and Zanzi supposedly clarified everything. Sabatini stated that Zeman has their full support, while Zeman said that his words on Saturday was a request for support from our management and that he'll do his best as manager.

We have good players, but they need to work together and some of them (Lamela, Osvaldo, Tachtsidis just to name a few) have to work a lot harder. If everyone puts themselves 100% at Zeman's disposal, then they'll get results. If not, we'll get these half-assed performances that give us nothing. The match against Cagliari will tell us a lot about our players' mental condition.

[Lupi]

Well its probably the strongest squad Zeman ever had in his career and he is not seeming to adapt into situation and rather want to force his game despite situation , sometimes you get pain even by doing right thing in wrong situation im missing Punucci now , if he was still at Roma he would have get in fight with these players who cannot stop making silly mistakes

[Lupi]

the most painful part is seeing Juventus is not as strong as last year and with having a better finisher than destro/osvaldo Roma could have easily had at least 9 points more than now . That would make Roma title contender i don't know why Roma is not after a defender burdisso is not good enough and romagnoli is not ready , if one of castan/marcos get injury it going to be a huge problem .

[flameas]

And if Zeman doesnt play Marquinhos for some reason.
Also, it is believed that DDR and Stek will be back in the XI. The management requested that. Something positive.

[Lupi]

And if Zeman doesnt play Marquinhos for some reason.
Also, it is believed that DDR and Stek will be back in the XI. The management requested that. Something positive.

marquinhos was injured , DDR under-performing and stek has a big mouth

[McLewis]

And if Zeman doesnt play Marquinhos for some reason.
Also, it is believed that DDR and Stek will be back in the XI. The management requested that. Something positive.

Not sure if that's completely positive though.

DDR's reputation should not make him selectable, even when in poor form and injured. If anything it's Pjanic that warrants more attention right now in midfield.

Stek has done nothing to warrant a starting place ahead of Goico, who isn't all that better. They both don't seem to be what we need between the sticks, but one or the other is going to win out and that should be whoever has done more, not who's said more.

Marquinhos must play and will continue to play. No coach would be foolish enough to bench such a remarkable young player like him. Ancelotti, hater of the youth, would even play him.

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