Re: Would Fabregas get into Juves midfield?

by Le Samourai Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:05 pm

Whether he would or would not get into their current system is completely irrelevant.

They would change the system for him ffs, who cares about anything else.

by Gil Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:05 pm

Schweini wrote:
Ps. Mole has taken trolling to a whole new level in the past few days

It's getting pretty pathetic tbh.

Even Vibe, me, you, Jibs, etc etc have never taken it this far.

by Guest Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:05 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Schweini wrote:In that case Mole, you adapt your tactics to fit a exceptional player in Cesc.

That proved fruitful for Arsenal and Barca did'nt it

Yes it did.
Arsenal wasn't trophiless because of having Cesc in midfield. It was Wenger's idiocy of trusting Almunia in net and not spending big on a keeper between 07-10 when all Cesc, RVP, Nasri, Ade and them were around their prime. Cesc dominated so many exceptional midfields during his time at Arsenal.

As for Barca, Cesc was Barca's best player against Chelsea both times, in fact, Barca got eliminated the moment Pepe subbed him off for Keita.

by S Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:06 pm

Cesc would walk into our attack as a false 9 or if we use a 4-3-1-2 as our standard formation he would walk straight into that formation as well..

But i think the OP is clearly mentioning ,if Cesc would walk into this current Juventus THREE MAN midfield comprising of a regista and two box to box midfielders and the answer is NO.

Whether or not we'd have to change our whole system to incorporate Fabregas into the lineup is another question.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:07 pm

Adit wrote:Fab sucks as a CM here in La liga..Thiago at CM>>>>>

He is more direct than cristiano ronaldo ffs. D0nkey league has ruined him.

There is a reason some Barca fans call him Lost lamb LOL

Agreed Cesc is a better false 9 than CM now IMO.....

In any case for all the detractors who say you would have to adjust your tactics to fit in such a player like Cesc.

How do you propose Juventus would so this in theory?

by jibers Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:09 pm

Barcelona accomodated cesc and lost the league Laughing

What a load of rubbish.

by jibers Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:10 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Adit wrote:Fab sucks as a CM here in La liga..Thiago at CM>>>>>

He is more direct than cristiano ronaldo ffs. D0nkey league has ruined him.

There is a reason some Barca fans call him Lost lamb LOL

Agreed Cesc is a better false 9 than CM now IMO.....

In any case for all the detractors who say you would have to adjust your tactics to fit in such a player like Cesc.

How do you propose Juventus would so this in theory?

Cont will change a tactic that made him go unbeaten for cesc.

Seems legit

by Gil Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:10 pm

Think I'll lose it if I hear the Cex can't play in CM garbage again. He's obviously not as good as Chavvy & Iniesta (not many players in the World are) in there but that doesn't mean he's not effective there.

His versatility has somewhat ruined his development in CM but Wenger's to blame for that not Cex.

P.S. He'd stroll into Juve's midfield ffs. Stop it, it's just ridiculous now.

by S Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:11 pm

jibers wrote:Barcelona accomodated cesc and lost the league

What a load of rubbish.

jibers wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Adit wrote:Fab sucks as a CM here in La liga..Thiago at CM>>>>>

He is more direct than cristiano ronaldo ffs. D0nkey league has ruined him.

There is a reason some Barca fans call him Lost lamb LOL

Agreed Cesc is a better false 9 than CM now IMO.....

In any case for all the detractors who say you would have to adjust your tactics to fit in such a player like Cesc.

How do you propose Juventus would so this in theory?

Cont will change a tactic that made him go unbeaten for cesc.

Seems legit

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by Adit Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:11 pm

Fab is a wonderful AM. There is a reason Del bosque used him as a 9/ direct player. He will do good as a AM or as a false9 but i cant see him doing a great job at CM..Guardiola barely played him in midfield and when ever he played there he made the wrong movement all the time except for one or two games.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:12 pm

jibers wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Adit wrote:Fab sucks as a CM here in La liga..Thiago at CM>>>>>

He is more direct than cristiano ronaldo ffs. D0nkey league has ruined him.

There is a reason some Barca fans call him Lost lamb LOL

Agreed Cesc is a better false 9 than CM now IMO.....

In any case for all the detractors who say you would have to adjust your tactics to fit in such a player like Cesc.

How do you propose Juventus would so this in theory?

Cont will change a tactic that made him go unbeaten for cesc.

Seems legit

I know mate lol, i'm just hypothetically asking what people would do to do this.

Of course it would never happen.

And Gil, no he would'nt there's a set system there and Cesc would totally unbalance it ( like he has at Barca) because he cant do with Vidal and Marchisio do and he cant do what Pirlo does.

by Gil Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:12 pm

jibers wrote:Barcelona accomodated cesc and lost the league

What a load of rubbish.

Madrid had to break a Spanish League record to win the League ffs besides Pedro's loss of form/injuries and Villa's season long injury were the main reasons Barca lost the League not Cex.

by Juveman17 Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:13 pm

Schweini wrote:In that case Mole, you adapt your tactics to fit a exceptional player in Cesc.

Juve's midfield is only proven against scrubbs like Atlanta, 3DM Allegri, and Inter's Ranieri. Let's see how they cope against an elite midfield before judging them so highly that apparently means there is no place for Cesc in it.

FFS the Juve mid owned every team they played......Milan, Udinese, Lazio, Napoli, etc.

Pirlo and Marchisio were part of a strong Italian mid that had a successful Euro. Honestly stop underrating the Juve mid. They play like warriors every time they step on to the field.

by jibers Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:13 pm

Gil wrote:Think I'll lose it if I hear the Cex can't play in CM garbage again. He's obviously not as good as Chavvy & Iniesta (not many players in the World are) in there but that doesn't mean he's not effective there.

His versatility has somewhat ruined his development in CM but Wenger's to blame for that not Cex.

P.S. He'd stroll into Juve's midfield ffs. Stop it, it's just ridiculous now.

of course he would, as a b2b mf :facepalm:

Get a grip. The only place he would play is as a #10 under Conte. Cesc is not Messi ffs. Juve arent gna change a tactic that got them into copa final and got them the league and was the basis for Italy's Euro run. FFs Cesc cant even bench Alonso or Busquets in Spain. Alonso....Alonso would definately not start fro Juve seeing as 1 Pirlo is better. Bench Alonso before you talk about Juve please. What a joke. This isnt fifa.

by Guest Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:14 pm

Gil wrote:Think I'll lose it if I hear the Cex can't play in CM garbage again. He's obviously not as good as Chavvy & Iniesta (not many players in the World are) in there but that doesn't mean he's not effective there.

His versatility has somewhat ruined his development in CM but Wenger's to blame for that not Cex.

P.S. He'd stroll into Juve's midfield ffs. Stop it, it's just ridiculous now.

THIS.

ffs, Even the great Zidane would look out of place in Barca's CM when surroundered by Mr. Hernandez and Iniesta.

Cesc gets stick for not being Xavi/Iniesta ....

People talk as likes of Vidal/Pirlo/Marchisio would fit in perfectly in Barca's midfield. Come on, all 3 are very good players, but If Cesc gets slated for not being good enough for Barca's midfield, don't tell me the Juve trio are Laughing

by S Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:15 pm

Juve's and Barca's system varies good sir.Dont know what you're on about honestly.

by Guest Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:16 pm

juveman17 wrote:
Schweini wrote:In that case Mole, you adapt your tactics to fit a exceptional player in Cesc.

Juve's midfield is only proven against scrubbs like Atlanta, 3DM Allegri, and Inter's Ranieri. Let's see how they cope against an elite midfield before judging them so highly that apparently means there is no place for Cesc in it.

FFS the Juve mid owned every team they played......Milan, Udinese, Lazio, Napoli, etc.

Pirlo and Marchisio were part of a strong Italian mid that had a successful Euro. Honestly stop underrating the Juve mid. They play like warriors every time they step on to the field.

Come on mate. None of those midfields are elite midfields.

Juve's midfield, while very good, is not proven against top opposition. We'll find out soon when you face likes of City, Barca, Madrid, Munich, etc.

To write off a player of Cesc calibre because your midfield dominated Stankovic and Cambiasso, or Muntari and MVB, etc is ridiculous.

by jibers Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:16 pm

Schweini wrote:
Gil wrote:Think I'll lose it if I hear the Cex can't play in CM garbage again. He's obviously not as good as Chavvy & Iniesta (not many players in the World are) in there but that doesn't mean he's not effective there.

His versatility has somewhat ruined his development in CM but Wenger's to blame for that not Cex.

P.S. He'd stroll into Juve's midfield ffs. Stop it, it's just ridiculous now.

THIS.

ffs, Even the great Zidane would look out of place in Barca's CM when surroundered by Mr. Hernandez and Iniesta.

Cesc gets stick for not being Xavi/Iniesta ....

People talk as likes of Vidal/Pirlo/Marchisio would fit in perfectly in Barca's midfield. Come on, all 3 are very good players, but If Cesc gets slated for not being good enough for Barca's midfield, don't tell me the Juve trio are

Yes its that simple isnt it. Its about sytsems. This sint FIFA. Iniesta would simply not be able to replace Vidal for Juve. They do completely different things ffs. You just shouting MF as if its some sort of generic simple thing is laughable. Go pick up a book on tyactics, please. this is getting embarassing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:17 pm

Gil wrote:
jibers wrote:Barcelona accomodated cesc and lost the league

What a load of rubbish.

Madrid had to break a Spanish League record to win the League ffs besides Pedro's loss of form/injuries and Villa's season long injury were the main reasons Barca lost the League not Cex.

Are you implying that Cesc coming did'nt unbalance the team offensively and defensively?

That was'nt really Cesc's fault but the fact it is he unbalanced the team.

It's a different midfield Sepi..... Vidal and Marchisio would be behind Cesc in the Barca team because of what Barca's midfield requires..... same with Juventus midfield Cesc would be behind Vidal and Marchisio because of what Juve requires.

It's not about who is the best player and get a load of players together it's about what players will fit the system you want to play and fact is Cesc does'nt fit Juve as much as Vidal and Marchisio does.

by Vibe Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:17 pm

Idiotic discussion is idiotic.

by Guest Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:17 pm

Surag wrote:Juve's and Barca's system varies good sir.Dont know what you're on about honestly.

mate. Cesc is being slated here for being not good enough for Barca's midfield.

Him not being good enough for Barca's midfield doesn't make him not good enough for Juve's midfield. That's my point.

Juve's midfield is very good, but it's not a 10/10 (like Barca's) ...It could improve and Cesc is one of very few players in this world who can help in achieving so.

by jibers Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Schweini wrote:
Surag wrote:Juve's and Barca's system varies good sir.Dont know what you're on about honestly.

mate. Cesc is being slated here for being not good enough for Barca's midfield.

Him not being good enough for Barca's midfield doesn't make him not good enough for Juve's midfield. That's my point.

Juve's midfield is very good, but it's not a 10/10 (like Barca's) ...It could improve and Cesc is one of very few players in this world who can help in achieving so.

My God, have you even watched the way Juventus play? Cesc would not bench either Marchisio, Pirlo or Vidal, again why doesnt he bench Alonso for Spain who is playing CM and is a lesser player than Pirlo. Cesc cant do the job required, he doesnt have the enrgy levels nor is it part of his game.

by Juveman17 Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:21 pm

Schweini wrote:
juveman17 wrote:
Schweini wrote:In that case Mole, you adapt your tactics to fit a exceptional player in Cesc.

Juve's midfield is only proven against scrubbs like Atlanta, 3DM Allegri, and Inter's Ranieri. Let's see how they cope against an elite midfield before judging them so highly that apparently means there is no place for Cesc in it.

FFS the Juve mid owned every team they played......Milan, Udinese, Lazio, Napoli, etc.

Pirlo and Marchisio were part of a strong Italian mid that had a successful Euro. Honestly stop underrating the Juve mid. They play like warriors every time they step on to the field.

Come on mate. None of those midfields are elite midfields.

Juve's midfield, while very good, is not proven against top opposition. We'll find out soon when you face likes of City, Barca, Madrid, Munich, etc.

To write off a player of Cesc calibre because your midfield dominated Stankovic and Cambiasso, or Muntari and MVB, etc is ridiculous.

Youl find out that our midfield is elite. Vidal and Marchisio are going to be World Class players, Pirlo is already elite.

I never said anything about Fabregas on Juve, idc about it really. It's just the underrating of Juve must stop.

by Adit Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:21 pm

Thigao fking Alcantara has far better movement than him. Is he a guy other than xavi or Iniesta?

Playing in Barca midfield is not about driving the ball forward like he is trained to play.Cesc runs into every ones position its frankly hilarious.

by RealGunner Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:21 pm

the biggest myth out there ^

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