Semi final: Germany vs Italy discussion

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

I'm saying we'll dominate the middle

Gemini wrote:

leemhuis wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The other thing that should be mentioned, is Cassano drops deep when Italy are defending which will give them an ever greater number advantage.

You are all talking about Italy from a defensive stand point in midfield but how about going forward? With Cassano picking up Schweignsteiger and De Rossi and Marchisio picking up Khedira and Ozil.

The thing you are talking about mus'nt happen from a Germany standpoint happens again..... Pirlo is free with a cigar in his mouth.

As mentioned before if Germany try to pass through Italy they will come unstuck in my eyes as also mentioned before Germany need to use the wingers and fullbacks as much as possible to drag out covering midfielders to expose Pirlo.

What Italy need to do is the exact scenario i mentioned above... if Cassano drops deep and picks up Schweignsteiger ( like i think he will as he usually does) then Germany have a massive problem because the end result will be Pirlo will have massive loads of space.

Although this tactical view is only really relevant for the first 70 mins because Cassano and Ozil wont last much longer than that..... then the Coaches become important.

That's if the scoreline is close at this point anyway, if Balotelli has his shooting boots on it would probably be over by half time :lucas :

Italy could throw all the numbers in midfield they still won't dominate possession. The reason is Germany uses free space wherever it's present. If Italy decide to pack the middle expect lots of Lahm overlapping and overloading of flanks. Italy will be forced to commit players for defending the flanks which will open up the middle. Their 3 men defence would have to stay deeper because Klose/ Gomez and Müller will make runs in behind 100%- The gap between Pirlo, their defence and attackers will get very big. Cassano dropping back isn't a problem because Hummels and Badstuber are excellent game openers.
They won't be able to dominate anything. It's like saying Manu would dominate Farca with 4-5-1 formation vs. 4-3-3 just because they have higher numbers in midfield
It's still 10 vs. 10. Germany's 10 uses the space a lot better than narrow Italian one. Marchisio, De Rossi etc. will be very busy with Özil and Khedira. They make fast runs to take markers away. Have fun tracking them with Marchisio and De Rossi alone

Also, Marchisio is overrated.

Of course, Italy does not have a chance against the great invincible Germans. All Italians are overrated, the Germans are underrated. And, all your LOLing at the Italians makes it even more clear to us that you have the knowledge and the expertise to explain how it will be impossible for Germany to lose.

Hey, what's your problem man? Why are you playing cheerleader for other nations? Btw cheerleading is a teenage girl job. Why don't you just vent your anger at Bert? By supporting Italy you're setting yourself up for double the pain when we ko them too.

Immortal Babun wrote:Arq & co.

Apart from useless banter etc. I expect a very exciting game. Germany vs. Italy was never a boring sleep inducing encounter
May the best team on the day win. I'm very excited

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

I'm saying we'll dominate the middle

leemhuis wrote:

Gemini wrote:

leemhuis wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The other thing that should be mentioned, is Cassano drops deep when Italy are defending which will give them an ever greater number advantage.

You are all talking about Italy from a defensive stand point in midfield but how about going forward? With Cassano picking up Schweignsteiger and De Rossi and Marchisio picking up Khedira and Ozil.

The thing you are talking about mus'nt happen from a Germany standpoint happens again..... Pirlo is free with a cigar in his mouth.

As mentioned before if Germany try to pass through Italy they will come unstuck in my eyes as also mentioned before Germany need to use the wingers and fullbacks as much as possible to drag out covering midfielders to expose Pirlo.

What Italy need to do is the exact scenario i mentioned above... if Cassano drops deep and picks up Schweignsteiger ( like i think he will as he usually does) then Germany have a massive problem because the end result will be Pirlo will have massive loads of space.

Although this tactical view is only really relevant for the first 70 mins because Cassano and Ozil wont last much longer than that..... then the Coaches become important.

That's if the scoreline is close at this point anyway, if Balotelli has his shooting boots on it would probably be over by half time :lucas :

Italy could throw all the numbers in midfield they still won't dominate possession. The reason is Germany uses free space wherever it's present. If Italy decide to pack the middle expect lots of Lahm overlapping and overloading of flanks. Italy will be forced to commit players for defending the flanks which will open up the middle. Their 3 men defence would have to stay deeper because Klose/ Gomez and Müller will make runs in behind 100%- The gap between Pirlo, their defence and attackers will get very big. Cassano dropping back isn't a problem because Hummels and Badstuber are excellent game openers.
They won't be able to dominate anything. It's like saying Manu would dominate Farca with 4-5-1 formation vs. 4-3-3 just because they have higher numbers in midfield
It's still 10 vs. 10. Germany's 10 uses the space a lot better than narrow Italian one. Marchisio, De Rossi etc. will be very busy with Özil and Khedira. They make fast runs to take markers away. Have fun tracking them with Marchisio and De Rossi alone

Also, Marchisio is overrated.

Of course, Italy does not have a chance against the great invincible Germans. All Italians are overrated, the Germans are underrated. And, all your LOLing at the Italians makes it even more clear to us that you have the knowledge and the expertise to explain how it will be impossible for Germany to lose.

Hey, what's your problem man? Why are you playing cheerleader for other nations? Btw cheerleading is a teenage girl job. Why don't you just vent your anger at Bert? By supporting Italy you're setting yourself up for double the pain when we ko them too.

My country was eliminated. I watch Serie A, I support AC Milan and I am Dutch. Who do you think I would support in a match Germany is involved in? By the way, are you not German. Why are you supporting Germany.

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

I'm saying we'll dominate the middle

It is going to be difficult man. That midfield is a real work horse too apart from being technical. If Cassano and Di Natale, expect more defensive pressure. Like i said earlier, they are not scrubs compared to the Germans that you expect them to be dominated.

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

I'm saying we'll dominate the middle

It is going to be difficult man. That midfield is a real work horse too apart from being technical. If Cassano and Di Natale, expect more defensive pressure. Like i said earlier, they are not scrubs compared to the Germans that you expect them to be dominated.

That was the case with Spain because Spain played without strikers thus allowing their CBs to push higher for more possession. Trust me, our CF and Müller won't allow them to go that much forward which would mean a gap between the 3 CBs and their 'midfield'. Second interestind part, You don't consider that Lahm will join the midfield whenever he isn't busy defending.
Özil+Khedira+Schweini+Lahm. Müller also drops back for linkup. You have another man there at hand
Numbers matter if you occupy the whole field. Italy concentrate on the middle.

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It seems to be the case according to people posting in this thread. I was specially answering Mole. He thinks Italy would dominate the proceedings with higher numbers in midfield

I think he was just trying to say that Germany will not be able to dominate the midfield like everyone early on were claiming

I'm saying we'll dominate the middle

It is going to be difficult man. That midfield is a real work horse too apart from being technical. If Cassano and Di Natale, expect more defensive pressure. Like i said earlier, they are not scrubs compared to the Germans that you expect them to be dominated.

That was the case with Spain because Spain played without strikers thus allowing their CBs to push higher for more possession. Trust me, our CF and Müller won't allow them to go that much forward which would mean a gap between the 3 CBs and their 'midfield'. Second interestind part, You don't consider that Lahm will join the midfield whenever he isn't busy defending.
Özil+Khedira+Schweini+Lahm. Müller also drops back for linkup. You have another man there at hand
Numbers matter if you occupy the whole field. Italy concentrate on the middle.

If the defense is pinned back, then the Italian midfield will not give any space between the lines. Which means there will be a gap between the forwards and the midfield will be large. This is where the workrate of the likes of Montolivio and Marchisio will come in.

If Pirlo is not marked and he gets the ball, then he will spray the ball to Cassano or Di Natale and then the likes of Montilivio and Marchisio will bomb forward to support. I expect this to happen a lot when Germany lose the ball in the Italy's half which will happen quite a lot as well.

Immortal Babun wrote:
It's not up to them. Germany will play wide if the middle is too crowded then Italy will have to give up space in midfield to cover their fullback or they risk a 2 vs. 1.
If Pirlo is marked in this situation which Özil will do I think their two forwards upfront will become useless dead weight.

kiranr wrote:

Immortal Babun wrote:
It's not up to them. Germany will play wide if the middle is too crowded then Italy will have to give up space in midfield to cover their fullback or they risk a 2 vs. 1.
If Pirlo is marked in this situation which Özil will do I think their two forwards upfront will become useless dead weight.

Italy, won't leave space in the middle. I think they will trust their wingbacks to cover the overlapping runs, in which case Lahm becomes really dangerous.

Everything about Italy's attack will depend on Pirlo and Cassano. If they are marked, then Italy will find it tough to get anything out of the match.

free_cat wrote:What will be Germany's lineup? I was surprised by the selection in the quarterfinals, but I gotta say I liked Schurle+Reus more than Muller+Podolski.

Why Logmez didn't start? is he injured?

leemhuis wrote:the pasta eating, pizza flinging swarthy Italians will be destroyed by the efficient and powerful German Wehrmacht.

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:

leemhuis wrote:the pasta eating, pizza flinging swarthy Italians will be destroyed by the efficient and powerful German Wehrmacht.

Its like you read my mind

Giorgio Chiellini is optimistic that he will be able to make his return from injury in Italy's Euro 2012 semi-final clash with Germany on Thursday.

The Juventus defender missed Sunday's quarter-final against England after suffering a hamstring strain in the Azzurri's final outing in Group C, against Republic of Ireland.

However, Chiellini revealed after watching his team-mates' dramatic penalty shoot-out success in Kiev that he could be fit to face the Germans in Warsaw.

"I feel better," the versatile centre-back told reporters in the mixed zone. "We'll see in the next few days but I hope and I think that I can play on Thursday."

Chiellini is understandably desperate to be available for the game as he knows full well that the Azzurri are going up against a terrific side in Germany.

"It'll be very difficult," he acknowledged. "But then, that's normal. In the semi-finals, all the teams are always very strong.

"But we'll have to prepare well in the next few days. We have seen Germany play and they have now won 15 matches in a row. They are the strongest team in Europe, along with Spain."

However, Chiellini has the utmost faith in Italy, arguing that they have already proven in their group games against La Roja and Croatia that they have what it takes to mix it up with the best the tournament has to offer.

"We have quality," he declared. "We know that Germany are a good team, with good players. But we have been playing very well since the first game [against Spain]. We drew but we played very well. We had some chances.

"I think we have to improve to make the final. But we have played well so far. I have high hopes for us. I think we will play a good game."

Zealous wrote:Maybe it's just that he fell in love with Germany's attractive and expansive style of football, not to mention their technically gifted stud players

free_cat wrote:What will be Germany's lineup? I was surprised by the selection in the quarterfinals, but I gotta say I liked Schurle+Reus more than Muller+Podolski.

Why Logmez didn't start? is he injured?