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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Yes, but it has been won without any team titles, example Dennis Law -64, and will be won without titles. And Messi has actually 3, possibly 4 team titles.vlafy wrote:jiopsi wrote:It's not a team prize, Messi had best individual season ever.shamr9pato wrote:i knw messi is probably gonna win it.. but he has not won a major trophy this season... what du u guys think??
But it always mattered what trophies playeres have won during the year.
Personally i want Italy to win Euro and Pirlo take the Ballon D'or .
It's basicly how impressive you were in the season/ year. And Messi has had possibly the most impressive season ever, individually.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Players who won Ballon d'Or without any titles, or just minor:
Stanley Matthews -56
Dennis Law -64 (Euro year)
Gerd Müller -70
Kevin Keegan - 78
Michel Platini -83 won Italian Cup
Stanley Matthews -56
Dennis Law -64 (Euro year)
Gerd Müller -70
Kevin Keegan - 78
Michel Platini -83 won Italian Cup
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
pirlo if he does well in the euros should definitely get one he deserves one atleast in his career.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
jiopsi wrote:Players who won Ballon d'Or without any titles, or just minor:
Stanley Matthews -56
Dennis Law -64 (Euro year)
Gerd Müller -70
Kevin Keegan - 78
Michel Platini -83 won Italian Cup
rwo power wrote:Well, it only didn't matter with Wesley Sneijder, though *shakes head*vlafy wrote:But it always mattered what trophies playeres have won during the year.jiopsi wrote:It's not a team prize, Messi had best individual season ever.shamr9pato wrote:i knw messi is probably gonna win it.. but he has not won a major trophy this season... what du u guys think??
Personally i want Italy to win Euro and Pirlo take the Ballon D'or .
Yes, but these are rare cases.So, i think it's a great chance for Pirlo or other player to win the Ballon D'or.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
These are cases where the best player didn't win a major team prize, but shined so much more than those in the winning teams, that they won. With all due respect to Pirlo, and his achievements, he has practically no chance to win.vlafy wrote:Yes, but these are rare cases.So, i think it's a great chance for Pirlo or other player to win the Ballon D'or.
Messi broke almost every scoring record there is, and made the most assists with it. Messi's season is one of a kind in football history, titles have been won numerous times.
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jiopsi wrote:These are cases where the best player didn't win a major team prize, but shined so much more than those in the winning teams, that they won. With all due respect to Pirlo, and his achievements, he has practically no chance to win.vlafy wrote:Yes, but these are rare cases.So, i think it's a great chance for Pirlo or other player to win the Ballon D'or.
Messi broke almost every scoring record there is, and made the most assists with it. Messi's season is one of a kind in football history, titles have been won numerous times.
I said that i want Pirlo because he has maybe the best statistics for a midfielder this season in Europe and because i like him as a football player.So there may be a chance if he takes the Euro 2012 trohpy with Italy.It's a lot of work until that but he have already been named player of the year in Serie A by some newspapers.Anyway even if i'd want, i can't be that sure as you are that Messi will win the Ballon D'or.It's a purely subjective opinion .
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Ronaldo will win it. People are tired of messi and will want to see another player win
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Netherlands will win the Euros, and van Persie will win Balon D'or.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
i dont care if heskey takes it
just no more penissi and penaldo please
just no more penissi and penaldo please
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Messi will win it, cause he had the best individual performance EVER..
Breaking almost all possible records in Just one season and set numbers from another planet... UCL? Messi has 3, Liga ? Messi has 5... he can't win them every season, but what's makes him great that his performance is improving every season... He's still 24-25 and can still improve...
Breaking almost all possible records in Just one season and set numbers from another planet... UCL? Messi has 3, Liga ? Messi has 5... he can't win them every season, but what's makes him great that his performance is improving every season... He's still 24-25 and can still improve...
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Probably will depend on the Euros, if anyone really shines in it including Ronaldo.... and also the start of next season will also count...
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
CBarca wrote:Agreed with BC- Euros will make a large difference, as major international tournaments do. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Messi win it despite not being in the Euros.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
I think Ronaldo will win it. He will shine for portugal and score stunning goals.Portugal will get far in euro..
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
The German Bundesliga players have chosen Messi as the world's best player this season #fcblive Messi 73.4%, Ronaldo 17.8, Ozil 2.9 [kicker]
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Obvious choice is obvious, but percentages.Khaled wrote:The German Bundesliga players have chosen Messi as the world's best player this season #fcblive Messi 73.4%, Ronaldo 17.8, Ozil 2.9 [kicker]
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
So far the top 3 are Messi, Ronaldo and Ozil, if Ozil and Germany outshine everyone on Euro 2012 and win it(with Ozil being the man of the tournament) he clearly would deserve it.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Ronaldo deserves it
that was the question
when it mattered, noone in the big leagues stepped up like he did
that was the question
when it mattered, noone in the big leagues stepped up like he did
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
He didn't step up shit, Messi pwned him all season.punkfusion1992 wrote:Ronaldo deserves it
that was the question
when it mattered, noone in the big leagues stepped up like he did
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
The deception if Özil or Ronaldo wins
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
jiopsi wrote:He didn't step up shit, Messi pwned him all season.punkfusion1992 wrote:Ronaldo deserves it
that was the question
when it mattered, noone in the big leagues stepped up like he did
as usual jiopsi is butthurt
Ronaldo scored a winner vs Barca, 2 goals and assist against Bayern, 2 games where Messi didnt do shit
so when it mattered Messi was invisible
sorry to burst your bubble
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Yeah I'm butthurt lol.punkfusion1992 wrote:jiopsi wrote:He didn't step up shit, Messi pwned him all season.punkfusion1992 wrote:Ronaldo deserves it
that was the question
when it mattered, noone in the big leagues stepped up like he did
as usual jiopsi is butthurt
Ronaldo scored a winner vs Barca, 2 goals and assist against Bayern, 2 games where Messi didnt do shit
so when it mattered Messi was invisible
sorry to burst your bubble
Messi & Cronaldo La Liga 2011-2012
Goals:
Messi 50 (10 penalty)
Cronaldo 46 (12 penalty)
Accuracy:
Messi 5.5 shots/ goal
Cronaldo 6.9 shots/ goal
Individuality of goals:
Messi, 22/50 or 44% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)
Cronaldo, 35/46 or 80% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)
Assists:
Messi 20
Cronaldo 12
Creativity:
Messi 56 throughballs, 92 key passes (resulting in a shot)
Cronaldo 19 throughballs, 60 key passes (resulting in a shot)
Build up play:
Messi 176 dribbless
Cronaldo 73 dribbless
Lost posession:
Messi 96 dispossessed + 61 turnovers = 157 times
Cronaldo 79 dispossessed + 86 turnovers = 165 times
MoM (whoscored.com)
Messi 24
Cronaldo 15
Importance of stats:
Here is La Liga 11-12 without Messi's and Cronaldo's goals, and assists:
http://king-football.com/bb/?p=431
Messi got points for the team in 15 games, 35 overall.
Cronaldo got points for the team in 11 games, 25 overall.
In that particular last Clasico both were involved in one goal.
, but Messi also created the best scoring change (outside the goals) that Xavi missed:
Messi was better in La Liga, Messi was better in UCL, Messi was better in Supercopa and Messi was better in Copa Del rey.
And obviously that is reflected on the voting couple posts back.
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
You never get tired of posting that table and those GIFs eh?
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
hey one question....
didnt Ronaldo do exactly the same as Messi last year
won a Copa, Real Madrid were super dependant on him and scored more than Messi
huh.....
still Messi deserved it last year?
double standards I wonder.....
again, I think its going to be between Ronaldo and Messi
didnt Ronaldo do exactly the same as Messi last year
won a Copa, Real Madrid were super dependant on him and scored more than Messi
huh.....
still Messi deserved it last year?
double standards I wonder.....
again, I think its going to be between Ronaldo and Messi
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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
Portugal to at least the semi's with a good performing Ronaldo? Ballon d'Or probably to Ronaldo. Portugal *bleep* up? Messi.
Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
One big flaw in your logic, Messi won the Champion's League as well, while being player of the tournament, top scorer and MotM in the final, if CRonaldo had that as well as La Liga then I would say he deserves it.punkfusion1992 wrote:hey one question....
didnt Ronaldo do exactly the same as Messi last year
won a Copa, Real Madrid were super dependant on him and scored more than Messi
huh.....
still Messi deserved it last year?
double standards I wonder.....
again, I think its going to be between Ronaldo and Messi
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