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Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
One big flaw in your logic, Messi won the Champion's League as well, while being player of the tournament, top scorer and MotM in the final, if CRonaldo had that as well as La Liga then I would say he deserves it.punkfusion1992 wrote:hey one question....
didnt Ronaldo do exactly the same as Messi last year
won a Copa, Real Madrid were super dependant on him and scored more than Messi
huh.....
still Messi deserved it last year?
double standards I wonder.....
again, I think its going to be between Ronaldo and Messi
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73% voted for messi? bye bye ronaldo you have no chance winning ballon dor as long as messi exists
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That table only shows how Barcelona are nothing without messi and that despite Ronaldo's amazing stats without him we could still come out on top.
So as to why jiopsi keeps posting it the world will never know.
So as to why jiopsi keeps posting it the world will never know.
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your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
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Messi. 73 goals ffs
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Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
Being the best player in the world makes him the best player in the world though.
I agree with the dependence aspect though.
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Why so much fail in one post?Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
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Lol @ the butthurt; negging jiopsi after he posted some stats.
It actually says two things. First, yes Barcelona was very dependant on Messi this past season, more so than previous years. Secondly, Messi was more important to Barcelona than Ronaldo was to Real Madrid. Messi's actual contribution to the team was of higher value, as displayed by the stats. So yes, all the stats point in the direction that he was the better player.
It actually says two things. First, yes Barcelona was very dependant on Messi this past season, more so than previous years. Secondly, Messi was more important to Barcelona than Ronaldo was to Real Madrid. Messi's actual contribution to the team was of higher value, as displayed by the stats. So yes, all the stats point in the direction that he was the better player.
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billionmillion wrote:Why so much fail in one post?Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
dunno man, perhaps you can explain 'why'
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Le Samourai wrote:Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
Being the best player in the world makes him the best player in the world though.
I agree with the dependence aspect though.
messi is the best player in the world for me too, but in my opinion ronaldo was more decisive and better in 'la liga'
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Lord Hades wrote:Le Samourai wrote:Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
Being the best player in the world makes him the best player in the world though.
I agree with the dependence aspect though.
messi is the best player in the world for me too, but in my opinion ronaldo was more decisive and better in 'la liga'
I think he was influential in a winning campaign....which at the end of the day is better than being influential in a losing one.
He was probably more decisive as well.
I don't think he was actually better because he isn't capable of being better.
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Le Samourai wrote:Lord Hades wrote:Le Samourai wrote:Lord Hades wrote:your table only shows that barca may have been dependent on messi more than madrid on ronaldo.. it doesnt automatically mean messi has been better.. for all you know, rvp's arsenal was more dependent on him than barca on messi, doesnt make him the best player in the world , eh einstein?
Being the best player in the world makes him the best player in the world though.
I agree with the dependence aspect though.
messi is the best player in the world for me too, but in my opinion ronaldo was more decisive and better in 'la liga'
I think he was influential in a winning campaign....which at the end of the day is better than being influential in a losing one.
He was probably more decisive as well.
I don't think he was actually better because he isn't capable of being better.
The thing is, even though Messi was influential in a losing campaign, as you put it, he was more influential as a whole to Barça performances than Ronaldo was to Real Madrid's performances. That's exactly what the stats point out. And basing everything on stats isn't something I prefer, but when you're talking about the performance of two players during an entire season, it sure beats a gut feeling.
Re: who deserves the ballon d'or this season
If Ozil performs at Euro(he will), he can win it. It's a shame that midfielders are such underrated.
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Messi is a stat padder, nothing more.
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the only striker won fifa wpoty is r9 how midf are underratedKizu wrote:If Ozil performs at Euro(he will), he can win it. It's a shame that midfielders are such underrated.
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Messi.
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billionmillion wrote:the only striker won fifa wpoty is r9 how midf are underratedKizu wrote:If Ozil performs at Euro(he will), he can win it. It's a shame that midfielders are such underrated.
Messi, CR7, Kaka played SS in 2007, Ronaldinho was a winger when he won it.
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