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Re: Messi wins golden shoe 11-12.
Nah, the rest of the team is not useless, we had trouble with injuries and form dropping in front line. Only Messi was worthy to start up front this season for Barca. Therefore, he carried out the attack, and had so many goals compared to the rest of the team as the other attackers were not on par (or constantly injured) with the rest of the team.
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billionmillion wrote:Yeah as if opening goals equaling goals are not important as winners
imagine if madrid fans had messi in their team. what would they do? they would say messi created football
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no, we wouldnt.Khaled wrote:billionmillion wrote:Yeah as if opening goals equaling goals are not important as winners
imagine if madrid fans had messi in their team. what would they do? they would say messi created football
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Re: Messi wins golden shoe 11-12.
I dont know if anyone has brought this up but Messi,with Özil, finished as the top assister of La Liga
But i'm really worried about our dependence on messi in the final 3rd..
But i'm really worried about our dependence on messi in the final 3rd..
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harhar11 wrote:I dont know if anyone has brought this up but Messi,with Özil, finished as the top assister of La Liga
But i'm really worried about our dependence on messi in the final 3rd..
top assists men in Europe as well
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Re: Messi wins golden shoe 11-12.
I think these fit here also
Goals:
Messi 50 (10 penalty)
Cronaldo 46 (12 penalty)
Accuracy:
Messi 5.5 shots/ goal
Cronaldo 6.9 shots/ goal
Individuality of goals:
Messi, 22/50 or 44% were directly assisted.
Cronaldo, 35/46 or 80% were directly assisted.
Assists:
Messi 20
Cronaldo 12
Creativity:
Messi 56 throughballs, 92 key passes
Cronaldo 19 throughballs, 60 key passes
Build up play
Messi 176 dribbless
Cronaldo 73 dribbless
Lost posession
Messi 96 dispossessed + 61 turnovers = 157 times
Cronaldo 79 dispossessed + 86 turnovers = 165 times
Impotance of stats:
Here is La Liga 11-12 without Messi's and Cronaldo's goals, and assists:
Messi got points for the team in 15 games, 35 overall.
Cronaldo got points for the team in 11 games, 25 overall.
Goals:
Messi 50 (10 penalty)
Cronaldo 46 (12 penalty)
Accuracy:
Messi 5.5 shots/ goal
Cronaldo 6.9 shots/ goal
Individuality of goals:
Messi, 22/50 or 44% were directly assisted.
Cronaldo, 35/46 or 80% were directly assisted.
Assists:
Messi 20
Cronaldo 12
Creativity:
Messi 56 throughballs, 92 key passes
Cronaldo 19 throughballs, 60 key passes
Build up play
Messi 176 dribbless
Cronaldo 73 dribbless
Lost posession
Messi 96 dispossessed + 61 turnovers = 157 times
Cronaldo 79 dispossessed + 86 turnovers = 165 times
Impotance of stats:
Here is La Liga 11-12 without Messi's and Cronaldo's goals, and assists:
Messi got points for the team in 15 games, 35 overall.
Cronaldo got points for the team in 11 games, 25 overall.
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Re: Messi wins golden shoe 11-12.
Messi is the better player overall, with or without the stats.
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You can't measure creativity by throughballs, and neither you can calculate accuracy as shots are taken from a different places. "Individuality of goals" cannot be calculated by percentage of assisted as you can get the ball from a pass, dribble past the whole team and still be assisted however I would agree on it if you calculated assists by three or four touches before shooting.
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Of course you can, throughballs are the best, most thoughest and most awarding way of creating a goal scoring situation. Same goes for accuracy, what does it matter where you make the shot? It's your choice? When you shoot off, you loose possession.Potential wrote:You can't measure creativity by throughballs, and neither you can calculate accuracy as shots are taken from a different places. "Individuality of goals" cannot be calculated by percentage of assisted as you can get the ball from a pass, dribble past the whole team and still be assisted however I would agree on it if you calculated assists by three or four touches before shooting.
Direct pass here means no part in build up play, basically you receive the ball from the teammate, for the first time and make a goal from it.
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jiopsi wrote:Of course you can, throughballs are the best, most thoughest and most awarding way of creating a goal scoring situation. Same goes for accuracy, what does it matter where you make the shot? It's your choice? When you shoot off, you loose possession.Potential wrote:You can't measure creativity by throughballs, and neither you can calculate accuracy as shots are taken from a different places. "Individuality of goals" cannot be calculated by percentage of assisted as you can get the ball from a pass, dribble past the whole team and still be assisted however I would agree on it if you calculated assists by three or four touches before shooting.
Direct pass here means no part in build up play, basically you receive the ball from the teammate, for the first time and make a goal from it.
I agree on the most toughest and the most awarding, but using throughballs alone is not enough as creativity isn't all about passing, accuracy is probably easiest calculated using shots on target / total shots but if you want to be accurate measuring it more accurately is by using an equation, the simplest of them is and this one is more accurate than yours is (meters to target*sin angle), but it's not accurate enough.
Cassano has 11 accurate through balls and 10 assists, but then you have Seedorf who has seven through balls but only one assist, it's incredibly inaccurate.
On the last note, you're probably correct but doesn't that make Ronaldo the better team player?
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"Messi's goals were worthless" - Jose Mourinho
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"Mourinho's words are worthless" - Javier "no you see it, now you don't" MascheranoZealous wrote:"Messi's goals were worthless" - Jose Mourinho
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There is also the key passes (pass that led to a shot) in the creativity part. Also you could add successfull dribbles to it.Potential wrote:jiopsi wrote:Of course you can, throughballs are the best, most thoughest and most awarding way of creating a goal scoring situation. Same goes for accuracy, what does it matter where you make the shot? It's your choice? When you shoot off, you loose possession.Potential wrote:You can't measure creativity by throughballs, and neither you can calculate accuracy as shots are taken from a different places. "Individuality of goals" cannot be calculated by percentage of assisted as you can get the ball from a pass, dribble past the whole team and still be assisted however I would agree on it if you calculated assists by three or four touches before shooting.
Direct pass here means no part in build up play, basically you receive the ball from the teammate, for the first time and make a goal from it.
I agree on the most toughest and the most awarding, but using throughballs alone is not enough as creativity isn't all about passing, accuracy is probably easiest calculated using shots on target / total shots but if you want to be accurate measuring it more accurately is by using an equation, the simplest of them is and this one is more accurate than yours is (meters to target*sin angle), but it's not accurate enough.
Cassano has 11 accurate through balls and 10 assists, but then you have Seedorf who has seven through balls but only one assist, it's incredibly inaccurate.
On the last note, you're probably correct but doesn't that make Ronaldo the better team player?
Better team player? I don't know how.
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Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
Javier "Now I see Cristiano, now I don't" Mascherano will play his retirement match against some Argentine team and never be mentioned ever again.
Javier "Now I see Cristiano, now I don't" Mascherano will play his retirement match against some Argentine team and never be mentioned ever again.
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Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
So is Pele
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Yes, as the ultimate douchebag and a liar.Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
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Exactly.kiranr wrote:Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
So is Pele
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Mourinho will be remembered for many things, one of my favorites will the "the man that ran Pep out of barcelona"
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Mr Nick09 wrote:Mourinho will be remembered for many things, one of my favorites will the "the man that ran Pep out of barcelona"
Your fertile imagination will do you well when you have to dream about all the trophies you could have won in the future
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jiopsi wrote:Yes, as the ultimate winner and trophy collector.Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
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jiopsi wrote:Exactly.kiranr wrote:Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
So is Pele
Exactly what?
It's not even remotely the same. One is remembered as a great player, the other as a great manager who understands the game.
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Zealous wrote:jiopsi wrote:Yes, as the ultimate douchbag and a liar.Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
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Zealous wrote:jiopsi wrote:Exactly.kiranr wrote:Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
So is Pele
Exactly what?
It's not even remotely the same. One is remembered as a great player, the other as a great manager who understands the game.
Both don't know what they're talking about
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Nobody cares what Mourinho has to say, he has burned all the bridges, lost his honor, and also demolished Madrids reputation with it, like for ever.Zealous wrote:jiopsi wrote:Exactly.kiranr wrote:Zealous wrote:Jose Mourinho will be remembered in football history.
So is Pele
Exactly what?
It's not even remotely the same. One is remembered as a great player, the other as a great manager who understands the game.
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Re: Messi wins golden shoe 11-12.
Mou dosen't have to say anything.
His cups seem to do most of the talking anyway.
His cups seem to do most of the talking anyway.
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You should tell that to him.Lord Hispano wrote:Mou dosen't have to say anything.
His cups seem to do most of the talking anyway.
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