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Post by leemhuis Fri 6 Apr - 7:47

With 5 teams left in Europe Spain will probably overtake England in coefficient unless Chelsea win the CL. Portugal will overtake France and maybe Italy if it's remaining team in Europe wins the rest of its games. Will Serie A (and EPL) continue to play second teams in the Europa league?
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Post by Lord Hades Fri 6 Apr - 7:50

except for spurs ithink most pl teams played their first teams when they were eliminated
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Post by RealGunner Fri 6 Apr - 7:52

people dont care about coefficients in england, unless sky tells them to care about it lol

I dont care if EPL is 1st 2nd or 3rd as long as we have 4 CL spots. I will start to worry if bundesliga overtakes us.

But dont think teams will care about the EL in here unless the incentive of winning it is better. Like a spot in the CL, or massive ammount of money
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri 6 Apr - 7:53

Spanish teams do their utmost to go far in the EL, whats EPLs problem???
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Post by Seppuku Fri 6 Apr - 7:55

Yah the winner of the EL should get a spot in the CL. A very simple solution. Don't understand why it hasn't been implemented yet.
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri 6 Apr - 7:57

because they then have to remove a spot from one of the leagues i suppose
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Post by Lord Hades Fri 6 Apr - 7:57

so they can do that ^^ . i am in favour of this solution ..
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Post by leemhuis Fri 6 Apr - 7:57

halamadrid2 wrote:Spanish teams do their utmost to go far in the EL, whats EPLs problem???

Maybe becauze the only real chance for a trophy? Most Serie A or EPL team in Europa league have a small but real chance to win the league or the national cup.
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Post by Adit Fri 6 Apr - 8:01

Its silly to blame the teams participating EL alone for the coefficient lose.

EL coefficient points are half that of CL co points.So CL does have a big advantage on coefficient points.Blame the CL clubs actually.

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Post by Adit Fri 6 Apr - 8:03

leemhuis wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:Spanish teams do their utmost to go far in the EL, whats EPLs problem???

Maybe becauze the only real chance for a trophy? Most Serie A or EPL team in Europa league have a small but real chance to win the league or the national cup.
Or in other words Serie teams dont have depth to participate in all competition?
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Post by leemhuis Fri 6 Apr - 8:06

Adit wrote:Its silly to blame the teams participating EL alone for the coefficient lose.

EL coefficient points are half that of CL co points.So CL does have a big advantage on coefficient points.Blame the CL clubs actually.


Europa League points count the same as Champions League points. The only thing affecting points is number of total teams from the league participating.

So the total points won in CL and EL by a league are divided by the number of teams participating in the two competitions.
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Post by Adit Fri 6 Apr - 8:12

leemhuis wrote:
Adit wrote:Its silly to blame the teams participating EL alone for the coefficient lose.

EL coefficient points are half that of CL co points.So CL does have a big advantage on coefficient points.Blame the CL clubs actually.


Europa League points count the same as Champions League points. The only thing affecting points is number of total teams from the league participating.

So the total points won in CL and EL by a league are divided by the number of teams participating in the two competitions.

UEFA Champions League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Group stage participation – 4 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point
Round of 16 participation – 4 points

Since 2009/10 clubs have been awarded an additional point if they reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.
NB Points are not awarded for elimination in the third qualifying round or play-offs, since those clubs move to the UEFA Europa League and are awarded points for participation in that competition.


UEFA Europa League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.25 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Third qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Play-off elimination – 1.5 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point

Since 2009/10, clubs have been guaranteed a minimum of two points if they reach the group stage and are awarded an additional point if they get to the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.



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so clearly CL has double the points in play offs

It has 4 points for Group stage participation while EL has only 2

CL has 4 points again for R 16 participation but EL only has 2
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CL has advantage ,and it is there to see.

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Post by halamadrid2 Fri 6 Apr - 8:14

leemhuis wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:Spanish teams do their utmost to go far in the EL, whats EPLs problem???

Maybe becauze the only real chance for a trophy? Most Serie A or EPL team in Europa league have a small but real chance to win the league or the national cup.

really??? dont think any team other than Man U can win the EPL trophy, Bilbao are in the final of the Copa Del Rey as well, the competition for fourth spot is very tense in LaLiga with the teams still in this competition competing with each other for the Europe spots. Very silly excuse

So basically next year when Newcastle plays in the EL, they should play their 2nd team because they have a better chance of winning the EPL. lol gimme a break
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Post by leemhuis Fri 6 Apr - 8:23

Adit wrote:
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halamadrid2 wrote:Spanish teams do their utmost to go far in the EL, whats EPLs problem???

Maybe becauze the only real chance for a trophy? Most Serie A or EPL team in Europa league have a small but real chance to win the league or the national cup.
Or in other words Serie teams dont have depth to participate in all competition?

Yes, there is not enough depth, to compete in both the league and the EL. When there is no much benefit.
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Post by zarola Fri 6 Apr - 8:26

I don't get why Italian teams don't just get cut down on Europa League spots instead of Champions League spots, we're clearly a more competitive league in champions league than Portugal, Germany, France. but Spain do deserve that overtaking of England, they have been doing very well to my surprise lately on top of Barcelona and Real Madrid, but we'll see how they do in champions league I guess.
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Post by leemhuis Fri 6 Apr - 8:27

Adit wrote:
leemhuis wrote:
Adit wrote:Its silly to blame the teams participating EL alone for the coefficient lose.

EL coefficient points are half that of CL co points.So CL does have a big advantage on coefficient points.Blame the CL clubs actually.


Europa League points count the same as Champions League points. The only thing affecting points is number of total teams from the league participating.

So the total points won in CL and EL by a league are divided by the number of teams participating in the two competitions.

UEFA Champions League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Group stage participation – 4 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point
Round of 16 participation – 4 points

Since 2009/10 clubs have been awarded an additional point if they reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.
NB Points are not awarded for elimination in the third qualifying round or play-offs, since those clubs move to the UEFA Europa League and are awarded points for participation in that competition.


UEFA Europa League points system
First qualifying round elimination – 0.25 points
Second qualifying round elimination – 0.5 points
Third qualifying round elimination – 1 point
Play-off elimination – 1.5 points
Group stage win – 2 points
Group stage draw – 1 point

Since 2009/10, clubs have been guaranteed a minimum of two points if they reach the group stage and are awarded an additional point if they get to the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.



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so clearly CL has double the points in play offs

It has 4 points for Group stage participation while EL has only 2

CL has 4 points again for R 16 participation but EL only has 2
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CL has advantage ,and it is there to see.


The leagues we are talking about play from the group stage on in the EL, so it is roughly equivalent, the bonus points are not that influential overall. Success (wins) in the EL make the difference in co-efficients.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri 6 Apr - 10:28

I think the Italian FA should take this into their own hands. If Italy's problem is that the teams in the EL don't care enough because the financial incentives are not large enough, then the Italian FA should give a bonus to every team in the EL that gives them more coefficient points. Enough complaining, time to do something about it.
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