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Post by BarrileteCosmico October 2nd 2015, 20:37

http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2015/andrea-agnelli-letter-to-shareholders-.php

Agnelli wrote:Dear Italian champions,

After a process which began in the summer of 2010, with a complete overhaul of the managerial staff, a financial injection to support the turnaround and correct management, your club has returned to success on the pitch and ensured economic sustainability. Four league titles, three Italian Super Cups, and steady improvement in the Champions League, from the quarter-finals in 2012/13 to the final in Berlin, with a Europa League semi-final in between. All this against a backdrop of increased revenue, which saw the club first halve its losses year on year, before recording an operating profit in 2013/14 and a net profit in the season just gone.

The management and shareholders are now faced with a new, potentially more arduous task. We have to face up to the real dilemma of every top-level football club. Only great results on the pitch – success at national and international level – bring significant revenue, be it from television, commercial deals or sporting achievement. Yet only with a balanced, diversified structure to revenue can we compete at the highest level.

The significant overhaul of the squad for the 2015/16 season, which ensures the Bianconeri remain highly competitive, along with the strategies to expand revenue by seeking global partners (such as the agreement recently started with adidas, which will put Juventus in the same international bracket – both in terms of revenue and visibility – as top clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich) will allow your club to continue to develop.

The commercial strategy we have developed over the last few years will continue to contribute to maximising revenue from sponsorships and Juventus Stadium. Direct management of licensing and retail represents a great challenge, an area previously precluded by other commercial deals. A further challenge is to increase our reach to the almost 300 million Juventus supporters around the world, by expanding in digital media and e-commerce.

Juventus’ clear progress in running the club has not, however, sufficed to prompt profound, definitive reflection on the national level as to the future of Italian football. On several sides, important figures in the world of football are calling for the game in this country to be considered a fully-fledged industry which contributes to the country both via its tax revenue and its 'supply chain'. Yet sadly, Italian football has not found the human resources able to put it back at the centre of political debate. In our game, individuals who are neither important figures nor financers enjoy excessive power. It is an environment which has deceitfully 'generated' the consensus of a self-referential system. In the meantime, for the fifth time in six years, Italian teams that qualified for the preliminary rounds of the Champions League failed to reach the competition proper, and Italian clubs, despite finding themselves in a fairly healthy market position, have not been able to grow at the same pace as their European competitors. In the five-year period 2009-2014, revenue in English football grew by 61%, 46% in Germany, 32% in Spain, 42% in France, 86% in Russia and 62% in Turkey. Revenue in Italy for the same period grew by just 14%.

In order to improve the product we offer supporters, it would be wise to tackle the following issues:

1. Creating B teams
2. Reforming the league system
3. Increasing security at Italian stadia

The hope is that the next Olympic Games, at the end of 2016, can accelerate reforms to the structure of Italian football and foster the natural change in personnel, competencies and the way the game is run. This is a process the league bodies, footballers and coaches have to grasp in order to avoid spending a further five years, between now and 2020, listing what should be done but that no one does.

Football has to go back to the heart of this world and, in the short term, in order to improve the product we offer supporters, it would be wise to tackle the following issues:

1. For too long the idea of creating B teams has been rejected, while other countries have guaranteed their young players steady development. Serie A needs to have the strength to bridge the generational gap between the Primavera championship (Under-19) and potentially joining the first team, which typically occurs between 22 and 23 years old.

2. Reforming the league system is imperative and must be accompanied by significant reflection on the issue of mutuality. Relegated teams must be protected so as to avoid jeopardising, as is currently the case, the business’s continuity. It is patently clear that cases such as Parma, who went bankrupt during the league season, or the continued problems many clubs are encountering in obtaining UEFA licences, undermine the credibility of the system as a whole, making it less attractive for potential new investors, who we need, provided they present clear, long-term development plans.

3. The situation regarding stadia, save rare and noteworthy exceptions, is unchanged. Not only has the planning of new infrastructure stalled, existing facilities have even been granted waivers from current legislation. The introduction of Goal Line Technology – a positive move – entailed costs that all the clubs could bear without any problems. Sadly, the same cannot be said of investment in safety and the latest technology in video surveillance which, with much lower costs, would greatly assist the work of the authorities in identifying the individuals behind the offences and would clearly reduce so-called ‘objective responsibility’, which after the recent events of April’s derby at the Stadio Olimpico in Turin, I would jokingly dub ‘inherent responsibility’. Individual responsibility has now become of secondary importance and Italian football appears to have succumbed to this aberration.

In conclusion, I believe it is only right we point out that the ability to engage in dialogue and enact reform in governance does not result from the impromptu wishes of a single club. This is a consolidated trend at the European level, thanks to the institutions’ ability to plan, particularly the European Club Association (ECA), but also UEFA. The clubs joining UEFA’s Executive Committee was a historically significant event, and also proves that well-structured institutions can evolve, considering those who invest human and financial resources in football and quite legitimately want to have their voice heard. It is an honour for me to represent the 220 clubs from 53 different football associations in this dialogue, along with president Rummenigge. Over the last 12 months, the ECA has reached common ground with European football’s governing body which led to the early signing of a new Memorandum of Understanding, valid until 2022. This agreement includes greater benefits for clubs, beginning with Euro 2020, and new mutuality between the Champions and Europa League.

Similar positive dialogue has begun with FIFA, but events which have recently come to light in the global media have slowed the process for the time being.

A further demonstration of the fact that no institution can continue for too long to ignore calls for greater transparency and reform without the real risk of being overwhelmed.
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Post by M99 October 2nd 2015, 21:55

I endorse this. Players like El Shaarawy, Veratti, Immobile, Saponara, Ely etc all benefited a lot from playing regularly in Serie B. This will help tons of Italian youth teams out there.
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Post by jibers October 2nd 2015, 22:05

100% Agree. No doubt England will be the last to implement this. Farcical.
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Post by Art Morte October 3rd 2015, 09:36

100% disagree. Football shouldn't be about creating fake clubs just to accommodate the big clubs' youth and reserve players.
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Post by Robespierre October 3rd 2015, 13:38

Art Morte wrote:100% disagree. Football shouldn't be about creating fake clubs just to accommodate the big clubs' youth and reserve players.
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Post by RealGunner October 3rd 2015, 13:39

Art Morte wrote:100% disagree. Football shouldn't be about creating fake clubs just to accommodate the big clubs' youth and reserve players.


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Post by McLewis October 3rd 2015, 14:11

I only support this if all clubs are able to do it. If this isn't possible then I don't think this can be implemented fairly. It's the one problem I have with how it was implemented in La Liga and the Bundesliga. Playing field must be level or the ROI won't be as great as it should be league-wide.

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Post by Hapless_Hans October 3rd 2015, 14:40

McLewis wrote:I only support this if all clubs are able to do it. If this isn't possible then I don't think this can be implemented fairly. It's the one problem I have with how it was implemented in La Liga and the Bundesliga. Playing field must be level or the ROI won't be as great as it should be league-wide.


Eh? Please elaborate
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Post by Adit October 3rd 2015, 15:20

Mc Lewis, the B teams were placed in the lowest levels and they played their way up from there. Any team can have B teams as well and most first division clubs do have B teams in La Liga.
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Post by futbol_bill October 3rd 2015, 16:01

For that matter, most teams in adelante (the B liga) have B teams as well. There is an important rule that should not be ignored, no team can have two teams in same liga (1st and B or B and C). Compare if you will to most professional sports, almost all have farm teams. In fact, these second and in some case third teams are just a development extension of the youth academies.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico October 3rd 2015, 17:03

Then how is Getafe allowed to play in the first division futbol sr?
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Post by VanDeezNuts October 3rd 2015, 19:06

I think it is a great idea, and has proven to be successful.

It gives the opportunity for younger players to get a run against professional level players opposed to youth leagues or the ever flawed loan system.

Almost all of the best players of this generation came through B and C teams. Why not encourage this?

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Post by McLewis October 3rd 2015, 23:34

Hapless_Hans wrote:
McLewis wrote:I only support this if all clubs are able to do it. If this isn't possible then I don't think this can be implemented fairly. It's the one problem I have with how it was implemented in La Liga and the Bundesliga. Playing field must be level or the ROI won't be as great as it should be league-wide.


Eh? Please elaborate

Simple. If Juve gets a B-team, so too should Carpi. If this isn't possible, then I don't think this will work.

Adit wrote:Mc Lewis, the B teams were placed in the lowest levels and they played their way up from there. Any team can have B teams as well and most first division clubs do have B teams in La Liga.

Keyword being "most" and that is often attributed to the better sides in the league. I would prefer to see "all" teams have a B-team if this is to work fairly for all teams involved. Everyone deserves a shot at this, not just the better-offs.

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Post by futbol_bill October 3rd 2015, 23:44

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Then how is Getafe allowed to play in the first division futbol sr?


LOL, Getafe is one of four 1st division Madrid teams. Sure they get loans from Big teams, but they are in no way a B team of Real Madrid. Do you consider River a B team of Boca?
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Post by BarrileteCosmico October 3rd 2015, 23:57

Pleaaaaase. Boca doesn't "loan" every youth product to River, they're teams in equal standing. Getafe is pretty much Real Madrid B.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico October 4th 2015, 00:00

McLewis wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
McLewis wrote:I only support this if all clubs are able to do it. If this isn't possible then I don't think this can be implemented fairly. It's the one problem I have with how it was implemented in La Liga and the Bundesliga. Playing field must be level or the ROI won't be as great as it should be league-wide.


Eh? Please elaborate

Simple. If Juve gets a B-team, so too should Carpi. If this isn't possible, then I don't think this will work.

Adit wrote:Mc Lewis, the B teams were placed in the lowest levels and they played their way up from there. Any team can have B teams as well and most first division clubs do have B teams in La Liga.

Keyword being "most" and that is often attributed to the better sides in the league. I would prefer to see "all" teams have a B-team if this is to work fairly for all teams involved. Everyone deserves a shot at this, not just the better-offs.


Every reserve team (or B team) plays in the league structure. The league they're in depends on how good they are and where they're promoted to. A B team cannot play in the same league than the senior team, or higher. Every team capable of fielding a reserve team is able to play a B team.
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Post by futbol_bill October 4th 2015, 00:37

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Pleaaaaase. Boca doesn't "loan" every youth product to River, they're teams in equal standing. Getafe is pretty much Real Madrid B.


Take a look at Getafe's squad. Only one R. Madrid player there. Or are you calling Espanyol, Rayo, Betis also Madrid farm teams as well? If your point is Madrid has a lot of players out on loan, then point accepted, but what's that got to do with farm teams. Getafe like Rayo is a poor man version of club team who have had a decent amount of success in getting (and staying in first division), but very much needs to get players on loans from other clubs just to stay afloat. Very much like Espanyol. I don't see you calling them a B team of Barca!
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Post by Tomwin Lannister October 4th 2015, 00:49

Let's not pretend that small clubs have even a 0.1% chance of closing the gap between themselves and elite clubs in the next 50 years regardless of which clubs do or don't get a successful B team up and running.


Great idea, i'm all for it.
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Post by VendettaRed07 October 4th 2015, 01:26

Art Morte wrote:100% disagree. Football shouldn't be about creating fake clubs just to accommodate the big clubs' youth and reserve players.
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Post by McLewis October 4th 2015, 01:37

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Let's not pretend that small clubs have even a 0.1% chance of closing the gap between themselves and elite clubs in the next 50 years regardless of which clubs do or don't get a successful B team up and running.


Great idea, i'm all for it.


Well certainly, it's a great deal for the likes of Juve, Roma, Inter, and Milan, but why should they benefit from this solely when the likes of a Chievo, Hellas, Palermo etc may not? That's my principal opposition to this.

I just think everyone should be starting from the same starting spots so that the path to success with this model is far more level. Of course, should this happen, I highly doubt what I believe should happen will happen. This is Italy after all. But one can hope.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister October 4th 2015, 01:45

You could argue that the halt of youth development because certain clubs are in a much better position than others is wrong, too. It's like everybody in class being limited to the same learning material and tasks that the slowest kid can handle.

Let the teams who have already accomplished something reap the rewards of having B teams. It's more about the countries young players getting real opportunities anyway instead of being passed around from bench to bench like a reject.

Let's be honest here, if all of those inferior clubs had B teams their top prospects would soon be divided between the aforementioned clubs anyway for a couple Million euro's per player.


TL;DR version, football isn't fair. No reason to stop Bigger clubs from developing the countries youth and reaping the rewards because small teams wouldn't benefit.


Also, the main thing here is that the youngsters get the best chances possible to develop which does not happen in the current set up because what trophy hunting club would be stupid enough to water down a top class team with teenagers? And what smaller club is going to keep on developing young loanees for the top clubs without getting much in return?
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Post by Hapless_Hans October 4th 2015, 04:23

McLewis wrote:

Simple. If Juve gets a B-team, so too should Carpi. If this isn't possible, then I don't think this will work.



And why do you think this is not what it's like in Bundesliga?
Actually, in Bundesliga, every club HAD to have a second team, it's a new ruling that you can opt out.
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Post by Doc October 4th 2015, 16:41

I find it really surprising there are posters who disagree to this. This is would be, no, this is an excellent idea for both Italy and England, particularly Italy. If the English don't agree, which I must agree with Jibers, they'll be the last one to implement this, I hope the Italians don't be so short sighted.
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Post by McLewis October 4th 2015, 17:48

Look, I'm not simply being an idealist here nor am I not resigned to the reality that if this comes to pass, it'll be exactly as Tom described. I think we can all agree that's what's gonna happen here.

All I'm getting at is that this has little to no value for fans of smaller clubs, who will simply shrug their shoulder at it. Whether that's Bundesliga, Serie A or La Liga. Sides like Sassuolo are a breath of fresh air for this league and I think it's a shame this won't really help them get better than they are expected to be.

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