on the eljero issue and the lack of good strikers case

eljero elia has been in juventus for a while, and to be HONEST people....we re screwn dis guy up. it leaves me frustrated when he is left ou of matches like the coppa italia .......conte says his problem is adapting to ialian football. he wont adapt if we leave him to languish on the bench. he is the most skilful player in juve by far and above for crying out loud and we are WASTING him. he wont pick form with wood splinters sticking out of his behind. nani was awful for long spells in ManU, but fergie kept him playing till he broke out last season. i feel conte mad a mistake not playing him imo. a 3-5-2 would have fitted him since he had DMs slotting in while he went forward. i will be 100% pissed wiv conte if we let him go bcos it absolutely stupid if you buy a player only to play him twice in a season. we didnt expect miracles from him this season, but leaving him on the bench as an unused sub is as good as not bringing him to the mach in the first place.

WE LACK QUALITY STRIKERS.please dont tell me its a form thing nor ists an adaptation to contes style thing... if we dont get a striker that has the potential (but not necessarily) fetch us at least 30 goals per season, we will be screwed reallly hard in the champions league. if we cant get a striker who can produce something special operating upfront on his own, we will be done for. Conte should forget about the cost of thestriker and get a top class striker that has been tested and proven at the highest level of football or is a potential world beater. we have to get a player the team can build her attacks on, pato and ibra are good examples, they can be the bright spark in a dull team. those are the types of players that can get that goal in difficult , messy games like siena with that moment of sheer brilliance. unfortunately for us....we are stuck with classy but inconsistent vucinic and the ( i dont care what people say) ordinary matri, finished boriello and injury prone quags.....which boils down to ..NO CUTTING EDGE.

i just hope the summer wills ee some friutful buisness by marrotta.
Ps, i love what Conte has done to juve. ground them to a cohesive unit, but as we know, even the most fluid of teams need a a world class player to build around, we need two.
FORZA JUVE!!

nobionye wrote:eljero elia has been in juventus for a while, and to be HONEST people....we re screwn dis guy up. it leaves me frustrated when he is left ou of matches like the coppa italia .......conte says his problem is adapting to ialian football. he wont adapt if we leave him to languish on the bench. he is the most skilful player in juve by far and above for crying out loud and we are WASTING him. he wont pick form with wood splinters sticking out of his behind. nani was awful for long spells in ManU, but fergie kept him playing till he broke out last season. i feel conte mad a mistake not playing him imo. a 3-5-2 would have fitted him since he had DMs slotting in while he went forward. i will be 100% pissed wiv conte if we let him go bcos it absolutely stupid if you buy a player only to play him twice in a season. we didnt expect miracles from him this season, but leaving him on the bench as an unused sub is as good as not bringing him to the mach in the first place.

under Conte's system you must proove yourself in training to get a place... Elia didn't convinced Conte ... and same happened with Krasic

AND UNDER FERGIES SYSTEM....NANI trained well and played badly??.....just give him a game a several not bench him totally...he needs time ...both training time nad game time.

nobionye wrote:eljero elia has been in juventus for a while, and to be HONEST people....we re screwn dis guy up. it leaves me frustrated when he is left ou of matches like the coppa italia .......conte says his problem is adapting to ialian football. he wont adapt if we leave him to languish on the bench. he is the most skilful player in juve by far and above for crying out loud and we are WASTING him. he wont pick form with wood splinters sticking out of his behind. nani was awful for long spells in ManU, but fergie kept him playing till he broke out last season. i feel conte mad a mistake not playing him imo. a 3-5-2 would have fitted him since he had DMs slotting in while he went forward. i will be 100% pissed wiv conte if we let him go bcos it absolutely stupid if you buy a player only to play him twice in a season. we didnt expect miracles from him this season, but leaving him on the bench as an unused sub is as good as not bringing him to the mach in the first place.

WE LACK QUALITY STRIKERS.please dont tell me its a form thing nor ists an adaptation to contes style thing... if we dont get a striker that has the potential (but not necessarily) fetch us at least 30 goals per season, we will be screwed reallly hard in the champions league. if we cant get a striker who can produce something special operating upfront on his own, we will be done for. Conte should forget about the cost of thestriker and get a top class striker that has been tested and proven at the highest level of football or is a potential world beater. we have to get a player the team can build her attacks on, pato and ibra are good examples, they can be the bright spark in a dull team. those are the types of players that can get that goal in difficult , messy games like siena with that moment of sheer brilliance. unfortunately for us....we are stuck with classy but inconsistent vucinic and the ( i dont care what people say) ordinary matri, finished boriello and injury prone quags.....which boils down to ..NO CUTTING EDGE.

i just hope the summer wills ee some friutful buisness by marrotta.
Ps, i love what Conte has done to juve. ground them to a cohesive unit, but as we know, even the most fluid of teams need a a world class player to build around, we need two.
FORZA JUVE!!

Ehm.. Pato is a lot more injury prone than Quags, he can't play 1 month straight without an injury.

Ibra is good vs small sides but I gotta tell you he flops big time in every important match. He simply does not want to play at all, then gets frustrated and then he does stupid things like vs Napoli and Juve. So your examples are pretty much wrong.

Also, I still think Matri is a great striker but he is badly out of form at the moment. Also, if Vucinic finds consistency then he would be an absolute great starter even in CL or whatever. But sadly thats no way guaranteed.
We could use a WC striker, that's for sure and I really think Marotta and Conte will start searching for one in the summer.

How can someone adapt when he is constantly on the bench.Maybe he needs official games to addapt not some pointless frendly games vs serie C1235 league

He is NOT the most skillful player on the Juve squad by far. That's a ridiculous statement.

Maybe he isnt the most skillful but def one of the most skillful players maybe top 3

Most skillful player?

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anouarjuve wrote:

nobionye wrote:eljero elia has been in juventus for a while, and to be HONEST people....we re screwn dis guy up. it leaves me frustrated when he is left ou of matches like the coppa italia .......conte says his problem is adapting to ialian football. he wont adapt if we leave him to languish on the bench. he is the most skilful player in juve by far and above for crying out loud and we are WASTING him. he wont pick form with wood splinters sticking out of his behind. nani was awful for long spells in ManU, but fergie kept him playing till he broke out last season. i feel conte mad a mistake not playing him imo. a 3-5-2 would have fitted him since he had DMs slotting in while he went forward. i will be 100% pissed wiv conte if we let him go bcos it absolutely stupid if you buy a player only to play him twice in a season. we didnt expect miracles from him this season, but leaving him on the bench as an unused sub is as good as not bringing him to the mach in the first place.

under Conte's system you must proove yourself in training to get a place... Elia didn't convinced Conte ... and same happened with Krasic

Juve have been unbeaten this season, but some of you are giving the full credit to conte. i think its more down to the new stadium and renewed enthusiasm of the fans... i agree with nobionye... Juve need 1 or two world class players specially a WC striker since i think Matri is nowhere near a great striker... juve deserves the first place in the table but still they are nowhere near a "great" side .... all other big serie a clubs have been pretty inconsistent this term... otherwise who knows...

For Serie A we are good and can compete for UCL we are weak and thats the truth.

Now Elia i not trying hard enough. Why ?

Padoin,Caceres are proof they have been here for 2 weeks and they started playing. Why? Because they have played here in Italy and know the league and the movement but yet Cotne praised Borriello and had great words for Padoin saying that Padoin was the best midfielder in the first half now Caceres received praise but not full if you see the game again you'll notice the Milan goal came from right side Caceres failed to cover and he will be just sub or used as RW when needed.

Elia as Conte said he must make progress in this league and lets be honest even thou Giacch is smaller he is far stronger.

DeviAngel wrote:For Serie A we are good and can compete for UCL we are weak and thats the truth.

Now Elia i not trying hard enough. Why ?

Padoin,Caceres are proof they have been here for 2 weeks and they started playing. Why? Because they have played here in Italy and know the league and the movement but yet Cotne praised Borriello and had great words for Padoin saying that Padoin was the best midfielder in the first half now Caceres received praise but not full if you see the game again you'll notice the Milan goal came from right side Caceres failed to cover and he will be just sub or used as RW when needed.

Elia as Conte said he must make progress in this league and lets be honest even thou Giacch is smaller he is far stronger.

Conte has space for that antic boriello still he can't find a way to manage 30 min for Elia !!!!!!!!!!

maruf063 wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:For Serie A we are good and can compete for UCL we are weak and thats the truth.

Now Elia i not trying hard enough. Why ?

Padoin,Caceres are proof they have been here for 2 weeks and they started playing. Why? Because they have played here in Italy and know the league and the movement but yet Cotne praised Borriello and had great words for Padoin saying that Padoin was the best midfielder in the first half now Caceres received praise but not full if you see the game again you'll notice the Milan goal came from right side Caceres failed to cover and he will be just sub or used as RW when needed.

Elia as Conte said he must make progress in this league and lets be honest even thou Giacch is smaller he is far stronger.

Conte has space for that antic boriello still he can't find a way to manage 30 min for Elia !!!!!!!!!!

Boriello deserved to play yesterday he was everywhere in the field, yes he has fallen to easly but he has spend his whole life in Serie A and he has proven there tbh I don't know why Roma fans have something against Boriello under ranieri he was main striker fot you guys and he scored great goals and he was killer. He scored 11 goals in Serie A, two in Coppa Italia and four in Champions League. Total of 17 goals for Roma in 2010-11 season.

Conte knows the best and so far he has proven that . And he told that what Boriello did was asked from Conte

Elia doesn't have the strength and the understanding of serie A we saw that in the Bologna game he didn't track back he was great at attack but not in back. I agree that Elia needs minutes I love Elia god knows that but still I trust in conte more and conte has every single right to do what he wants and TEAM > Elia

DeviAngel wrote:

maruf063 wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:For Serie A we are good and can compete for UCL we are weak and thats the truth.

Now Elia i not trying hard enough. Why ?

Padoin,Caceres are proof they have been here for 2 weeks and they started playing. Why? Because they have played here in Italy and know the league and the movement but yet Cotne praised Borriello and had great words for Padoin saying that Padoin was the best midfielder in the first half now Caceres received praise but not full if you see the game again you'll notice the Milan goal came from right side Caceres failed to cover and he will be just sub or used as RW when needed.

Elia as Conte said he must make progress in this league and lets be honest even thou Giacch is smaller he is far stronger.

Conte has space for that antic boriello still he can't find a way to manage 30 min for Elia !!!!!!!!!!

Boriello deserved to play yesterday he was everywhere in the field, yes he has fallen to easly but he has spend his whole life in Serie A and he has proven there tbh I don't know why Roma fans have something against Boriello under ranieri he was main striker fot you guys and he scored great goals and he was killer. He scored 11 goals in Serie A, two in Coppa Italia and four in Champions League. Total of 17 goals for Roma in 2010-11 season.

Conte knows the best and so far he has proven that . And he told that what Boriello did was asked from Conte

Elia doesn't have the strength and the understanding of serie A we saw that in the Bologna game he didn't track back he was great at attack but not in back. I agree that Elia needs minutes I love Elia god knows that but still I trust in conte more and conte has every single right to do what he wants and TEAM > Elia

@ OP I remember I staged these same sentiments at the beginning of the season and I was given the stick.

these were some of the reasons people gave

> Elia has to adjust

> Elia cannot speak Italian [Vidal and Esti were not speaking it but were rushed straight in]

> Elia must not be doing well at training [hmm how did fans know this without seeing some get a chance?]

I came to the conclusion now the boy is doing all he can to get some play and to adjust, the problem lies with Conte, he is the one who doesn't wanna play the kid, probably he doesn't fit in his system or play style a la Krasic style, he does not appreciate skillful wingers much

but ask for yourself, to me that would make Conte dumb as f**k transfer wise if you ask me, why ask for a player waste about 11m on him and let him waste away......

the dumbest thing I have heard all year...

Chillean, Spanish and Italian = Latin Language

Basically, Conte thought that he would be running a formation that relied strongly on wing play. Then, he realized that it would be a waste to not utilize Vidal, Pirlo, and Marchisio on the field at the same time. So, Juve owns a lot of wing players that are more offensive minded and do not track back and play good defense (such as Elia and Krasic).

I can understand why Conte has made the decisions he made. But, Juve (whether Conte, Marotta, or both are to blame) should not have gone out and bought offensive style wings if Conte didn't know what formation he would run. I think Conte is largely to blame for this wasted money by Juve.

I don't even want to think about what type of LB we could have if we didn't waste money on some players for Conte.

PS : Elia played against notts county ... and we didn't see something special from him ... that match convinced me !

on your comment,


1) in a 3-5-2 formation, fast wingers are the key.....since they have cover. so dont say that there was a change in the formation.

2) so three not-so-good matches by a player that is adapting to the italian league is enough to bench him endlessly, then pepe should have be sold.

3) the team>elia......name any great team in the world and i will tell you thier WC star that the playrs and coaches can depend on...all except juve.(chiellini)

4) elia doesnt have the strength to play in serie A.....dats d crappiest reason you cpould find for not playing him....david silva is lighter than him imo and plays in the premier league.

5) boreillo gaets a full match and elia is benched ....dunno where conte gets decisions like this form ..but it will piss me off royally if we sell this guy and he starts doing well.

6) elia IS the most skilful player in that team....his skill book is waaay larger than pirlo and probably(the younger version ) of del piero.


all am saying is lets give him a chance ....or chances and then we canmake up our mind that he is a flop...not bench him and call him a flop too.

nobionye wrote:on your comment,


1) in a 3-5-2 formation, fast wingers are the key.....since they have cover. so dont say that there was a change in the formation.

2) so three not-so-good matches by a player that is adapting to the italian league is enough to bench him endlessly, then pepe should have be sold.

3) the team>elia......name any great team in the world and i will tell you thier WC star that the playrs and coaches can depend on...all except juve.(chiellini)

4) elia doesnt have the strength to play in serie A.....dats d crappiest reason you cpould find for not playing him....david silva is lighter than him imo and plays in the premier league.

5) boreillo gaets a full match and elia is benched ....dunno where conte gets decisions like this form ..but it will piss me off royally if we sell this guy and he starts doing well.

6) elia IS the most skilful player in that team....his skill book is waaay larger than pirlo and probably(the younger version ) of del piero.


all am saying is lets give him a chance ....or chances and then we canmake up our mind that he is a flop...not bench him and call him a flop too.

:shisha: don't worry bro, it's good for other teams since Juve will feel the heat next year... i expect another finish around 3-5 in the table next year from Juve

nobionye wrote:on your comment,


1) in a 3-5-2 formation, fast wingers are the key.....since they have cover. so dont say that there was a change in the formation.

2) so three not-so-good matches by a player that is adapting to the italian league is enough to bench him endlessly, then pepe should have be sold.

3) the team>elia......name any great team in the world and i will tell you thier WC star that the playrs and coaches can depend on...all except juve.(chiellini)

4) elia doesnt have the strength to play in serie A.....dats d crappiest reason you cpould find for not playing him....david silva is lighter than him imo and plays in the premier league.

5) boreillo gaets a full match and elia is benched ....dunno where conte gets decisions like this form ..but it will piss me off royally if we sell this guy and he starts doing well.

6) elia IS the most skilful player in that team....his skill book is waaay larger than pirlo and probably(the younger version ) of del piero.


all am saying is lets give him a chance ....or chances and then we canmake up our mind that he is a flop...not bench him and call him a flop too.

So know elia is WC? don't make me laugh he couldn't even get 1st team in 2nd grade team ffs.

How can you debate after that red part lol

never said eljero was world class....btw

we wouldnt have given 9 mil for him if we didnt see anything in him

6) elia IS the most skilful player in that team....his skill book is waaay larger than pirlo and probably(the younger version ) of del piero.

If Elia is more skillful than Pirlo and younger ADP - then you really ARE saying hes world class..

epic fail..

lets ignore the Elia skillful talk but atleast i would like to see Conte use him as a sort of an impact sub.He was like a breath of fresh air when he came on against Roma in the last few minutes.

In the game against Cagliari for example where they put 10 men behind the ball he could have been useful with his pace and trickery.Vucinic the only man(regular starter) who offers creativity upfront was tiring and he is usually lazy too and using Elia in that situation would've been useful.

But he has been completely shunned by Conte and that is probably the only negative thing about Conte this season.

Know what I want to know...what team did u support last season?
I notice the section getting more "so called" Juventini & even on Goal.com
last season...we barely had 100 comments before & after matches when we were in crisis but now everyone seems to think this or that player isn't good enough for Juve or that player should be signed...

Elia will start playing soon
No need to worry about him...