Lahm defensively solid?

Sure, but if you remember I did also say Messi leads by example. As in, when we need him he comes alive and leads the way in his play and his pressing.

I dont really get that from Lahm. But if im fair, thats part positional too.

But anyway, I didnt really want to make it Alves vs Lahm. But I did feel the need to say I cant cosign the "best fullback" thing, especially after this performance. Not that it was bad.

Abramovich wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:As usual the best Fullback in the world,.

what is really scaring is how Alaba will soon overtake him as the best fullback in the world.

Lahm-Robben

Alaba-Ribery.


waooo!!!!!

Sushi Master wrote:Alaba is a frakking beast. He's playing out of position, FFS.

Yeah ain't he a midfielder?

Yes, he's a CM but can play out wide due to his technique and speed. Has also played at LB which is where the defensive hole was. Has done better than Lahm at that spot.

Great talent. My wish for him is to be a long term Schweini replacement, but with the lack of fullbacks nowadays you never know.

Sushi Master wrote:

Abramovich wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:As usual the best Fullback in the world,.

what is really scaring is how Alaba will soon overtake him as the best fullback in the world.

Lahm-Robben

Alaba-Ribery.


waooo!!!!!

Sushi Master wrote:Alaba is a frakking beast. He's playing out of position, FFS.

Yeah ain't he a midfielder?

Yes, he's a CM but can play out wide due to his technique and speed. Has also played at LB which is where the defensive hole was. Has done better than Lahm at that spot.

Great talent. My wish for him is to be a long term Schweini replacement, but with the lack of fullbacks nowadays you never know.

The hope of Austria (my gf Austrian so no band wagoning) & for that sake I hope he reverts back to CM

The Franchise wrote:Sure, but if you remember I did also say Messi leads by example. As in, when we need him he comes alive and leads the way in his play and his pressing.

I dont really get that from Lahm. But if im fair, thats part positional too.

But anyway, I didnt really want to make it Alves vs Lahm. But I did feel the need to say I cant cosign the "best fullback" thing, especially after this performance. Not that it was bad.

Not many quiet types that have Messi-like skills, so it's a little tough, heh.

I agree he's no Kahn or Ballack or whatever, but he does the job and the dressing room atmosphere in Bayern is amazing. It's a very tight squad with big personalities, yet no drama. Good enough, even if IMO van Bommel was a better captain.

Yeah, thats fair to be honest. I dont disagree with that at all.

But I still dont think "leadership" is something I would put Lahm having over Dani Alves, its a minor point at best and wouldnt seperate them.

Well, he is both Bayern and Germany captain, which is no easy feat I must say. He's pretty frakking smart from what I recall, more the mage and less the warrior.

Leadership ain't that terribly important when you're that good of a player. I can recall great players with good leadership skills, but not shit players with great leadership skills.

Alves is like a 180 on Lahm's personality. It's extremely hard comparing them there.

Thats true, but he is Bayerns longest serving player right? Or at least longest serving as an established starting 11 player.

And for Germany, thats one pretty young team. Minus Klose, who else would there be really?

Not to take anything away from him though, to me he seems as worthy as anyone given his tenure.

Well, I still think that Lahm was more chosen as captain because he is well-spoken and eloquent. On the pitch I don't really see him as the leader. There it is more Schweinsteiger who leads by example, although to me it appears that Schweinsteiger isn't the type to vie for media attention, so he prefers to let Lahm do the talking to the press etc.

Lahm is one of my favorite fullbacks and has been for a long time. I once rated him above Alves.

Yet what must be said is that Lahm isn't as good as Alves offensively and defensively.

He just has never reached that ridiculously high level of performance that Alves has put out. Only thing I rate Lahm above Alves is how well he uses both feet. Lahm reminds me of a prime Zambrotta.

As for leadership, Lahm is more a manager than a leader as many have come to agree that he isn't a true leader as nor is Schweinsteiger. Which is why Bayern's squad was called into question for their lack of leadership in the vacuum of MvB's departure.

I was discussing earlier on the future captain as it seems to me, Kroos, or more probably, Goodstuber, will attain the Bavarian armband and will do so without question given his potential leadership traits.

As for now, Lahm should retain his armband for Bayern, yet I personally feel Hoewedes should be given the armband for Germany.

The thing about leadership is to give confidence to players, motivate them and keep them going. I don't know about you guys but if i were in a team with Messi or CR7 as captains then I could care less if they were mute, them playing on MY side is enough confidence Puyol or Ballack could ever provide me.
Back on topic though, best left back in my opinion, RB? that can be debatable

I think Lahm did really well in attack yesterday. Since Ribery roam around his side and he started receiving passes in the attacking half, he set up 4 scoring chances for Gomez. The first is a sublime through ball and then 3 crosses who all met their target. Before that, when he didn't do anything with the ball, he was always providing width for other attackers to shoot from outside the box. Yes he's not an attacking ram that Alves is, but yesterday he was reliable and decisive when he's attacking with the ball.

As for Gomez, he's like Inzaghi. He missed sitters but he has the mentality to deliver when it matters.

Immortal Babun wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:He had an entire proper season so far, he's been the most consistent defender of the Bundesliga so far, with Hummels messing up a couple times and Höwedes being injured.

When he tackles his win rate in tackles is low. Combine it with his slow recovery speed when he messes up and you see some crucial danger situations. No defender is perfect but he has to make up for his shortcomings with other tricks. Tackle win rate is managable, 80%+ is a must for a top team defender

BABUN WHERE DO U GET THESE BOOBS BOUNCING PICS FROM???? Plsss tell me

About Lahm, I remember for the past few years, usually when talking about best in the world for each position, many would put him as the best LB in the world. I agreed. Although not watch him week in week out, his showing in the big stages more often than not are very impressive. Better attcking then defensive by far though? Dont know defensively solid consistently or not in the past...

Idrisozet wrote:

Check-out Boateng's tackle 1:39, what a CB.

Fast, tall, big, strong, technical, can pass, rarely make mistakes, no own goal to his name, doesn't concede penalties, no red cards, no suspension and No rash tackles.

Evra is better than him... in FIFA

Today he kept Grosskreutz quite as a mouse...He's getting better as he ages

Lahm has been available for selection for all Bayern Munich matches since 2009.

Are we seeing the next Javier Zanetti

jibers wrote:Evra is better than him... in FIFA

Fifa.....hahahahaha


Lahm tackling is 99 on fifa

Nice move by him, but that wasnt anything special tbh.

Statistically, 72% of the tackles, interceptions, headers, etc. that Lahm attempts are successul. That's poor. 87% of his offensive actions are successful. Personally feel he should be a winger.

The best full-back in the world is Eric Abidal. 88% of his defensive actions are successful, and 90% of his offensive actions (passing, dribbles, crosses, etc.) are successful.

Where did you get those stats?

Nameless wrote:Where did you get those stats?

Well I found the raw stats on whoscored.com, when you hover your mouse over the 'tackles per game' it tells you how many tackles they did in total. Then I put it into an excel file and worked out the success ratings of everything they did. In other words, the lower they are, the more likely they are to piss you off during a game.

These are the stats for Manchester United, for example:

92 - Ferdinand
89 - Evans
89 - Carrick
88 - Vidic
88 - Scholes
85 - Fletcher
83 - Cleverley
82 - Anderson
81 - Smalling
80 - Evra
80 - Jones
72 - Valencia
72 - Welbeck
71 - Kagawa
71 - Giggs
70 - Rooney
69 - Berbatov
68 - Young
67 - Hernandez
65 - Nani

In terms of how successful they were at the things they attempted.

It's so interesting, but unfortunately I can only rate players from the past three seasons. Would be amazing if I could see how great players from the past like Paul McGrath compare to the today's players.

Cost Germany a potential final.

Cost Germany the Euros 4 years ago when Torres outfought him for the only goal of the game.

Very good going forward, overrated defender.

Gil wrote:Cost Germany a potential final.

Cost Germany the Euros 4 years ago when Torres outfought him for the only goal of the game.

Very good going forward, overrated defender.