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Post by zizzle Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:44 pm

The Brotherhood showed how little they know about politics in a very short period of time. In less than one year they lost the support of the liberals (who supported them in the presidential elections) the army, the police, and the support of other islamic parties. All they did was make enemies so they had it coming.

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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:23 pm

CNN meanwhile discussing whether or not the Egypt coup is good or bad for Israel Laughing
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Post by TalkingReckless Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:29 pm

@RealGunner wrote:CNN meanwhile discussing whether or not the Egypt coup is good or bad for Israel Laughing

What else are they gonna talk about, all other channels are talking about Egypt while CNN is only talking about how it will effect Israel, and What the Greatest Democracy in the world (they said it multiple times) will think about it
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Post by la bestia negra Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:50 pm

WOW some people think he is actually worse than mubarak
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Post by zizzle Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:54 pm

not in terms of corruption, but overall the country was in a better condition 2 years ago
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Post by kiranr Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:16 am


Couldn't they have waited till the next elections to vote him out?
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:47 pm

its still not over yet

now they want him back WTF
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Post by TalkingReckless Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:54 pm

@la bestia negra wrote:its still not over yet

now they want him back WTF

only the Muslim Brotherhood supporters want him back
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Post by RealGunner Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:20 pm

Muslim Brotherhood trying to convince the people that the new President is Jewish lol
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Post by la bestia negra Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:23 pm

Butt wrote:
@la bestia negra wrote:its still not over yet

now they want him back WTF

only the Muslim Brotherhood supporters want him back

perhaps yes

but thats the majority

and btw the only difference between him and the next president is a flashier suit and a fishy bank account
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:28 am

@la bestia negra wrote:
Butt wrote:
@la bestia negra wrote:its still not over yet

now they want him back WTF

only the Muslim Brotherhood supporters want him back

perhaps yes

but thats the majority

and btw the only difference between him and the next president is a flashier suit and a fishy bank account

Majority are not supporters of Morsi right now
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Post by free_cat Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:03 am

@RealGunner wrote:"Extraordinary scenes here fireworks coming from all directions - flying thru windows, lighting the sky up,roar of the crowd is deafening"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BORZtHRCYAAmt2l.jpg

@zizzle wrote:It's official, the islamic brotherhood has been overthrown banana 

I dislike religious fanatics as much as the next man, but I can't feel any sympathy towards a coup.
They should have managed things differently IMO.
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Post by la bestia negra Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:07 am

120 dead and 4500 Morsi supporters injured last night
In the so called fight against terrorism
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Post by Cruijf Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:30 pm

Army is now firing on unarmed protesters.

Yay! At least the democratically elected president isn't in power!
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:46 am

ACMRox wrote:Army is now firing on unarmed protesters.

Yay! At least the democratically elected president isn't in power!

hitler came through the ballot box
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Post by Cruijf Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:41 pm

@Yuri Yukuv wrote:
ACMRox wrote:Army is now firing on unarmed protesters.

Yay! At least the democratically elected president isn't in power!

hitler came through the ballot box

Fantastic analogy.

Because of course, Hitler was in power for scarcely a year, right?

And Morsi definitely killed more than 35 million people as well.

A military coup after Morsi having only a year in power followed by the military firing on the unarmed protesters is hardly ethical or democratic.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:32 pm

ACMRox wrote:
@Yuri Yukuv wrote:
ACMRox wrote:Army is now firing on unarmed protesters.

Yay! At least the democratically elected president isn't in power!

hitler came through the ballot box

Fantastic analogy.

Because of course, Hitler was in power for scarcely a year, right?

And Morsi definitely killed more than 35 million people as well.

A military coup after Morsi having only a year in power followed by the military firing on the unarmed protesters is hardly ethical or democratic.

Hitler made a mockery of checks and balances, rallied his supporters to protest while he was in power, killed people that disagreed with him and treated some sections of soceity as second class citizens

Morsi made a mockery of checks and balances (constitutional decree), rallied his supporters to protest while he was in power (Muslim brotherhood), threatned to kill people who disagreed with him (if a muslim changed religions he wanted them to be slain) and treated some sections of soceity as second class citizens (non-muslims)

That kind of government is not legitimate no matter if it comes through the ballot box or not, is the army any better? well see.

Not a matter of democracy vs junta though.

People need to remember that the minister of defense and interior were both appointed under his rule and protesters were dying under it as well.
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Post by Cruijf Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:19 am

@Yuri Yukuv wrote:
ACMRox wrote:
@Yuri Yukuv wrote:

hitler came through the ballot box

Fantastic analogy.

Because of course, Hitler was in power for scarcely a year, right?

And Morsi definitely killed more than 35 million people as well.

A military coup after Morsi having only a year in power followed by the military firing on the unarmed protesters is hardly ethical or democratic.

Hitler made a mockery of checks and balances, rallied his supporters to protest while he was in power, killed people that disagreed with him and treated some sections of soceity as second class citizens

Morsi made a mockery of checks and balances (constitutional decree), rallied his supporters to protest while he was in power (Muslim brotherhood), threatned to kill people who disagreed with him (if a muslim changed religions he wanted them to be slain) and treated some sections of soceity as second class citizens (non-muslims)

That kind of government is not legitimate no matter if it comes through the ballot box or not, is the army any better? well see.

Not a matter of democracy vs junta though.

People need to remember that the minister of defense and interior were both appointed under his rule and protesters were dying under it as well.

So by your logic Obama and Hitler are the same.

Not only that, by your logic if the US Military deposed Obama and put the country under their rule it would be perfectly fine.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:24 am

ACMRox wrote:

So by your logic Obama and Hitler are the same.

Not only that, by your logic if the US Military deposed Obama and put the country under their rule it would be perfectly fine.

As much as I dislike Obama he still plays by the rules that the framers have set. Doesnt kill people for disagreeing, or ask his supporters to go on the streets to confront tea party and have his police force killing them, or gave himself immunity from congress/SCOTUS and has been inclusive.

So no, not by my logic.

Stop being an apologist for those who masquerade facism as democracy

Its facism vs facism there right now, allah can take care of it
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Post by free_cat Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:24 am

What did Mursi in this year do to deserve to be couped?
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Post by zizzle Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:47 pm

@free_cat wrote:What did Mursi in this year do to deserve to be couped?

It's a long story but here we go...
Mursi was never the prime candidate of the islamic brotherhood, matter of fact only a handful of people knew who he was before he ran for the presidential elections. The main candidate for the brotherhood is probably he most powerful man in that organization, but due to previous convictions he was not able to run and the brotherhood went with Mursi instead. People knew this and no one was taking Mursi seriously... His opposition always claimed that he's just a poppet and that he cant make his own decisions without referring to the brotherhood, and there is more truth to that than not.

Second Mursi only became president because of who he ran against, not who he is. In the first round of he elections there were 5 strong candidates, Mursi for the brotherhood, Shafeeq for the old regime, and 3 candidates for the revolution. Although combined the revolution candidates got the highest number of votes, non of them got enough votes to make it to the second round. The revolutionaries (due to their stupidity) were forced to pick one of two people they hated and they decided to go for Mursi.

The revolutionaries were swayed by some promises that Mursi failed to keep. Such promises included the process of writing the constitution, a non brotherhood prime minister, the retrial of the old regime figures (who were acquitted). He kept non of these promises. Mursi also abused his powers in the period when the country had no constitution and he basically shielded all his decisions from the judicial system. Meanwhile the prime minister he choose was failing and he economy was going from bad to worse and yet he refused to replace him. Due to all of this and more a new revolution took place and the army sided with the people...
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Post by la bestia negra Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:20 pm

i have a feeling another attack will occur on the protestors in the upcoming days
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Post by Cruijf Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:19 pm

Great paper on the coup:

http://www.thecordobafoundation.com/attach/egypt%20briefing%2027%20july%202013.pdf
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Post by baresi Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:50 pm

@Grande_Milano wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/02/world/africa/egypt-elections/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

40 % Brotherhood (Moderate Islamists)
20 % Salafists (Radicals, anti-Cristian party)


The whole world moves forward, Arab world keeps being backward. Then they are surprised about NATO and Islamophobia
WellTurkey have been ruled by the MB for quite a time, I dont know how you can fit them in that mix.... Anyway I am not a fan of MB as a matter fact i am against them and lean towards hating them. But again I feel sorry for most Americans and some of the western society for the news coverage they get.

And hisbullah being a branch of MB is laughable, I mean common they both hate each other more than they hate the Israel, one being sunni the other being shiaa', as for Hammas they will support anyone that helps their case, let it be MB, Hisbullah, Iran, that doesn't mean they belong to any of the mentioned groups.

Anyway I just saw this thread, and will take a while to go through it and reply, but the start is not encouraging.
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Post by 7amood11 Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:13 pm

I still think there was no legitimacy in what went down on June 30th. No two ways about in my opinion. Morsi was a democratically elected president. The people voted for him. He has the right to complete his term. But that didn't happen, and now we're watching Egypt going to very big problems.
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