Re: Luiz Suarez

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 31, 2013 2:20 pm

Spoiler:

That was fast Laughing

by Gil Fri May 31, 2013 3:03 pm

Didn't he say only yesterday that he was undecided? Where on earth did that quote come from?

by EL Patron Fri May 31, 2013 3:09 pm

So we have our transfer saga hmm

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 4:49 pm

Anyone has a link for this supposed third interview?

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 4:52 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Spoiler:

That was fast

What an idiot this guy is. Suarez is a WC player playing for a midtable team with no European football, what did he expect, for him to stay his whole life at Liverpool. We all knew he was leaving sometime in the next year.

Some fans are so fickle. Everyone was saying that Suarez deserved better than us and that he was too good for us and that no one would be mad at him for leaving. Well, what happened to that?

by Lex Fri May 31, 2013 4:54 pm

McAgger wrote:Suarez is a WC player playing for a midtable team

by mr-r34 Fri May 31, 2013 4:55 pm

No one is going to pay 60mil for him, his staying, what kind of person leaves a club after all the backing they gave him with the evra saga, at the cost of the clubs image, LFC have come out and said he is not for sale, so the sagas over, unless a ridiculous offer comes he will stay a red.

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 5:05 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Spoiler:

That was fast

Mr Ferguson has got LOADS of time on his hands following his retirement

by RealGunner Fri May 31, 2013 6:09 pm

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/209915.html

by VendettaRed07 Fri May 31, 2013 6:31 pm

Just nut up and admit it. Say the actual reason you want to leave. I hate it when footballers make it seem like "Oh I don't WANT to leave my club, but I don't have a choice! My hands are tied, not my faults fans, the big rich clubs that walk to win titles every season are forcing me to join them!" Just makes you look like a coward.

And that whole "image" nonsense. There are so many things he could have done to clean up his image if he wanted to if he actually cared. But he didn't and continued to act without any thought of the consequences on the pitch. Why should Liverpool have to pay for your own idiocy and lack of judgement. Those things he did aren't going to go away if he goes to madrid and I don't know why anyone would think it will. In fact he'll be under an even bigger microscope from before.

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 6:34 pm

This 3rd interview is bogus in my eyes until I see a clear link.

by BarrileteCosmico Fri May 31, 2013 6:34 pm

mr-r34 wrote:No one is going to pay 60mil for him, his staying, what kind of person leaves a club after all the backing they gave him with the evra saga, at the cost of the clubs image, LFC have come out and said he is not for sale, so the sagas over, unless a ridiculous offer comes he will stay a red.

I think he doesn't see it as leaving Liverpool but leaving England.

by Adit Fri May 31, 2013 6:38 pm

mr-r34 wrote:No one is going to pay 60mil for him, his staying, what kind of person leaves a club after all the backing they gave him with the evra saga, at the cost of the clubs image, LFC have come out and said he is not for sale, so the sagas over, unless a ridiculous offer comes he will stay a red.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/torres-is-not-for-sale

Right before Liverpool sold him and Torres went for 50 million because Chelsea was an EPL club a direct rival for 4th place..I think if Suarez is sold this summer it will be for 40 around.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 31, 2013 7:01 pm

VendettaRed07 wrote:Just nut up and admit it. Say the actual reason you want to leave. I hate it when footballers make it seem like "Oh I don't WANT to leave my club, but I don't have a choice! My hands are tied, not my faults fans, the big rich clubs that walk to win titles every season are forcing me to join them!" Just makes you look like a coward.

And that whole "image" nonsense. There are so many things he could have done to clean up his image if he wanted to if he actually cared. But he didn't and continued to act without any thought of the consequences on the pitch. Why should Liverpool have to pay for your own idiocy and lack of judgement. Those things he did aren't going to go away if he goes to madrid and I don't know why anyone would think it will. In fact he'll be under an even bigger microscope from before.

Agree 100% i'm not even a Liverpool fan and this has pissed me off no end.

Its just BS.

by Art Morte Fri May 31, 2013 7:10 pm

VendettaRed07 wrote:Just nut up and admit it. Say the actual reason you want to leave. I hate it when footballers make it seem like "Oh I don't WANT to leave my club, but I don't have a choice! My hands are tied, not my faults fans, the big rich clubs that walk to win titles every season are forcing me to join them!" Just makes you look like a coward.

And that whole "image" nonsense. There are so many things he could have done to clean up his image if he wanted to if he actually cared. But he didn't and continued to act without any thought of the consequences on the pitch. Why should Liverpool have to pay for your own idiocy and lack of judgement. Those things he did aren't going to go away if he goes to madrid and I don't know why anyone would think it will. In fact he'll be under an even bigger microscope from before.

I somewhat agree, that the true motivation for him is to join a club that is better equipped to fight for the brightest awards right now. I'm sure his bad relationship with the media in England is a factor but I don't think it's the real reason behind his apparent desire to switch clubs.

by Zlatan Fri May 31, 2013 7:16 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Spoiler:

That was fast

If you ask Suarez, he'l tell you that the shirt was bought by the Guardian, the word '*bleep*' was written by the Daily Mail, and the shirt was burnt by The Times and all the journalists sang and danced around his burnt jersey.

Liverpool still loves him and it's all a conspiracy.

by Zealous Fri May 31, 2013 7:34 pm

Liverpool stuck by Suarez despite his consistent BS. He needs to man up and stop being a punk.

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 7:37 pm

Suarez is an idiot. He's not Madrid #1 target. Madrid will probably not pay what Liverpool will ask for. He won't play for anyone else in England. Bayern are stacked, and won't pay what Liverpool will ask for. He has a 4 year contract which he signed 6/7 months ago. There is no buy out clause that any knows of.

He'll probably end up staying at Pool and he's just ruining his reputation with the only people in the whole world that supported him.

by Zealous Fri May 31, 2013 7:43 pm

McAgger wrote:Suarez is an idiot. He's not Madrid #1 target. Madrid will probably not pay what Liverpool will ask for. He won't play for anyone else in England. Bayern are stacked, and won't pay what Liverpool will ask for. He has a 4 year contract which he signed 6/7 months ago. There is no buy out clause that any knows of.

He'll probably end up staying at Pool and he's just ruining his reputation with the only people in the whole world that supported him.

I agree with you 100%.

Chances are he'll stay at Pool and do his thing for a season like Modric did. Then he'll ask to leave more publicly.

by ExtremistEnigma Fri May 31, 2013 7:54 pm

This pic made me sad.

by Zealous Fri May 31, 2013 8:10 pm

It's a shame Gerrard never had a proper champion squad built around him. Thank god he won the CL at least, his career deserves more in terms of silverware :/

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri May 31, 2013 8:43 pm

Price of loyalty unfortunately Sad

Shearer rejected Man Yoo twice, Barca and others to stay with us.

At least Gerrard has won things.

by DeletedUser#1 Fri May 31, 2013 8:47 pm

why am I so calm over this Laughing

, I've totally lost my sensiitivity about football after the Torres saga.

Anyways, if he goes (and we get good money for him), I'll wish him the best of luck. Zero ill feelings towards him, he is a great professional and deserves to play at highest level.

by Abramovich Fri May 31, 2013 9:13 pm

Harry Redknapp wrote:why am I so calm over this , I've totally lost my sensiitivity about football after the Torres saga.

Anyways, if he goes (and we get good money for him), I'll wish him the best of luck. Zero ill feelings towards him, he is a great professional and deserves to play at highest level.

by McAgger Fri May 31, 2013 9:30 pm

ExtremistEnigma wrote:

This pic made me sad.

That pic is way too sad. Kills me inside. In 10 years I might actually shed some tears if I see this pic again.

by RedOranje Fri May 31, 2013 9:59 pm

Alright folks, there's a lot of different quotes and (mis)information floating around re:Suarez at the moment so let's all cool our jets and get a good grip on the situation before jumping to any absurd conclusions.

First off, Suarez has not said that he "wants to leave" or any direct variation thereof as SkySports and several other news sources have reported today. They are taking a very creative translation and interpretation of the interview he gave yesterday that Echo had already covered. I have read the full transcript in original Spanish as well as in an accurate English translation (available below in spoilers). He DOES state that a change would not be bad this summer, but only in response to a direct question on that exact turn of phrase. It is clear that he is open and even wants a move to Spain this summer, but it is also clear from his quotes that he would be happy to stay at Liverpool and would give his all next season.

Funnily enough, even Florentino Perez's quotes have not escaped this little bit of creative interpretation. He said, "Suarez is a great player and I am sure all in the world would want him. I like him and others too, but it does not always fit." The first part has received plenty of attention and fuels much of the discussion about Madrid's interest, however a key part is mostly ignored (and at times even edited out altogether). "But it does not always fit" deserves some consideration as it suggests that while Perez himself admires Suarez's ability he may not believe that Suarez fits into Madrid on/off the pitch, or may defer to whichever manager eventually arrives. Madrid's supposed move for Luis may never materialize simply because they have other targets.

Also clear is that his motivations are not ENTIRELY related to the media as he claims. We [Liverpool] have not been in or even close to the CL during his time with us and we are not in European competition at all next season. Further, clubs such as Madrid and Barcelona could and would offer him a significant wage increase should either be interested in securing his services. Both of these issues clearly play a significant role in his current stance. That said, the English media, and by extension a notable portion of the British public HAS been on a bit of a witch hunt at times. Yes, he's brought much of the negative attention upon himself but there is simply no justification for:

Spoiler:

The sensationalism and double standards are clear for all to see. However, as with any group English journalists and media have circled the wagons in response to Suarez's criticisms. It is as natural a reaction as it is frustrating. Even journalists who criticized their colleagues for the headlines and reports at the time of the event have suddenly changed their opinion and jumped on the "Suarez is using us as an excuse and was never misrepresented or defamed by any British media; we're the victims here!" bandwagon... and they have been very effective at pushing that agenda/message, so far.

It is plenty clear that Luis Suarez would welcome a move away from England this summer and that his motives are not as clear cut as he suggests. However, things are not as cut and dry as the media would make it seem, nor is Suarez victimizing them so much as they claim. He may well move this summer... he may also not. The outcome is not yet decided however, and the situation is still quite fluid. There are multiple agendas at play and Suarez's is only one of the factors in the eventual outcome.

I maintain that while Suarez does seem to prefer a move abroad, he would not be upset at another season with Liverpool. As things stand it seems unlikely that he will hand in a transfer request, though with his continuing consideration there's always the chance that this could change. This leaves the impetus on deciding his future to the clubs involved (Liverpool & Madrid or any other interested). For Liverpool he is an integral player: he is perhaps the most recognizable face off the pitch due to his (bad) publicity and is a massive, massive influence on it. The price of any player is decided by his importance to the club selling. It's up to Madrid to meet that price, be it the rumoured (and now defunct) buy-out clause or simply Liverpool's "too good to refuse" bar. Should Suarez be allowed to leave, it will almost certainly be for more than the Torres valuation... i.e. more than £50m. Only time will tell whether this happens and until such a time as it is decided, or the player/his agent make a definitive statement on the subject, let's be a bit judicious in our conclusions and assumptions. My only hope is that if he should move that the deal be down rather early in the summer, so that Liverpool and Rodgers have plenty of time to use the money raised effectively and efficiently in strengthening the team... if this drags on too long all first choice targets could be unavailable.

An unedited English transcript of his interview yesterday:

Spoiler:

Make of that what you will.

P.S. It is never, EVER acceptable to burn a kit. The name on the back doesn't matter, the crest on the chest and eternal flame DO.

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