Re: Pato vs Balotelli

by Ganso Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:09 pm

1) Balotelli won the Scudettos, Coppa Italia, Champions League with Inter
2) Won the FA Cup with Man City and was Man of the Match in the Final
3) Won the 'Golden Boy' award with the EPL making him the best youth product in the league
4) Is Italy's best U20 player this past decade with +20 goals under that age
5) Man of the Match against Manchester United in one of the biggest derbies
6) Is been said that he can be just as good as the top strikers as today

1-why are you speaking as if he was key to those titles lol.....Pato was key on the scudetto win for us.
2-MOTM on the FA cup final :bow:

3-Tuttosport Golden Boy of the Year
Serie A Young Footballer of the Year
Italian Football Oscars Best Young Player
Hes also the u21 player in serie a with most goals ever.
4-Pato has 10 goals in 18 games for Brazil's youth ranks,with 1 title and a Bronze medal on the olympics.
5-Balo was motm vs Manchester,Pato was our best striker against inter,napoli,barcelona,madrid...
6-ok.....

by lszanto Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:13 pm

What exactly has Pato done to be better? Only thing he's better at is being injured.

Entertainment - Balo
Fireworks - Balo
Hair - Balo

by Ganso Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:15 pm

lszanto wrote:What exactly has Pato done to be better? Only thing he's better at is being injured.

Entertainment - Balo
Fireworks - Balo
Hair - Balo

He has performed against top teams and was key player for the scudetto.He has also scored more goals than Balotelli during his career.Balo? :coffee:

by lszanto Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:18 pm

So you discredit Balo's achievements yet say Pato is better cause he's played a few good games...

Don't care if you rate Pato better but at least judge them fairly...

by AttacanteBG Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:18 pm

lszanto wrote:What exactly has Pato done to be better? Only thing he's better at is being injured.

Entertainment - Balo
Fireworks - Balo
Hair - Balo

What is the point of this post?

We are discussing who is better football player, you are contributing nothing to this thread.

by lszanto Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:19 pm

AttacanteBG wrote:
lszanto wrote:What exactly has Pato done to be better? Only thing he's better at is being injured.

Entertainment - Balo
Fireworks - Balo
Hair - Balo

What is the point of this post?

We are discussing who is better football player, you are contributing nothing to this thread.

You are just showing that you support Milan and thus Pato. You are contributing nothing to this thread.

by Ganso Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:23 pm

lszanto wrote:So you discredit Balo's achievements yet say Pato is better cause he's played a few good games...

Don't care if you rate Pato better but at least judge them fairly...

Im judging them fairly,and Pato has achieved more in his career,really.I dont see how this is unfair.

by AttacanteBG Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:26 pm

No. I am brinigng facts about both players and explaining which atribut makest one or another player better.

You on the other side are talking about things that doesn't have anything with football.

by lszanto Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:27 pm

How do you not see Balotelli as a more complete player though? I'm not denying Pato is a great goal scorer. It's like saying Gomez is better than Rooney.

by Turok_TTZ Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:42 pm

...any reason why there be no poll?

Also, Balotelli gets my vote. Balotelli looks like he can only get better.
Pato looks like he is stuck where he is at despite being young. injuries really have diminished pato's potential.

by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:45 pm

So let's put this into perspective shall we?

All non Milanisti except for one voted for Pato. Plain and simple they're biased and have concluded that Pato is slightly faster in pace and is better at finishing within 0.2 of an average.

While everyone else has put Balotelli for their realistic reasons.

The winner seems to be Balotelli :dance:

by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:47 pm

AttacanteBG wrote:
There's no way for you to prove that if you don't show stats. Show me stats of how many times he's shot on goal and how many times he's suceeded in scoring goals. The reason why I brought up the 'long shots' was to show that he can score from almost anywhere on any type of chance or situation. Not to mention Balotelli has still never missed one penalty in his career and he has already taken 15. Meaning he's a better finisher, if a player like him can score from 30m + yards out without having any problems how on earth will he have problems from scoring in close range which Pato is mostly capable of doing sadly? Unlike Pato, Balotelli can do more, which in this case makes him the better finisher and adds more flair to it. Why don't we take some of his goals this season?

Again, for the numerous time. Scoring ocasional goals from long distance doesn't make you great finisher. It makes you good at long shots.

Senna can score from long range, Essien can score from long range even Torsten Frings can score from long range but that doesn't mean they are better finishers then Ruud Van Nistelrooy or Pippo Inazaghi.

Your logic "if can score from 30m, how could he have problems to score from closer range" is one of the most stupid things i read here.

And dont even start with Balotelli vs Everton thing, because i can put videos Pato vs Fiorenitna, Roma, Inter, Real Madrid, Barcelona...

Jesus, I can ponder you with FM Stats and yet you will see that both of their paces are resulted with Balotelli = 17, Pato = 18. Oh gee by 1? Give me a break. This is just typical Milanista bias.

This sentence disqualifies you from further debate. After this i can no longer consider you as serious counter part in any football discussion.

1) Balotelli won the Scudettos, Coppa Italia, Champions League with Inter
2) Won the FA Cup with Man City and was Man of the Match in the Final
3) Won the 'Golden Boy' award with the EPL making him the best youth product in the league
4) Is Italy's best U20 player this past decade with +20 goals under that age
5) Man of the Match against Manchester United in one of the biggest derbies
6) Is been said that he can be just as good as the top strikers as today

Wining Champions league doesn't have to mean you are big game player. Being decisive in finale(semi-final, quarter final) does. Balotelli wasn't.

Scoring against Stoke doesn't make you a big game player.
Being the most promising young product doesn't make you big game player.
Someone saying you could be best, doesn't make you big game player.

Scoring twice against Manchester United is good start though.

Frequently scoring and being decisive in big games, playing better then others under pressure, and being constantly good in big games and competition makes big player. Balotelli isn't big player yet, i am not saying he wont be but for now he isn't.

Did you read the post before this you bacala. Please, go learn how to read before posting things I already spoke about.

by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:49 pm

lszanto wrote:So you discredit Balo's achievements yet say Pato is better cause he's played a few good games...

Don't care if you rate Pato better but at least judge them fairly...

Ganso is a usual troll towards these things, ignore him.

by JuvenelCuore Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:28 pm

Here comes the argument of achievements and trophies.

In that case, Pinto > Buffon. :coffee:

by AttacanteBG Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:39 pm

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:
AttacanteBG wrote:
There's no way for you to prove that if you don't show stats. Show me stats of how many times he's shot on goal and how many times he's suceeded in scoring goals. The reason why I brought up the 'long shots' was to show that he can score from almost anywhere on any type of chance or situation. Not to mention Balotelli has still never missed one penalty in his career and he has already taken 15. Meaning he's a better finisher, if a player like him can score from 30m + yards out without having any problems how on earth will he have problems from scoring in close range which Pato is mostly capable of doing sadly? Unlike Pato, Balotelli can do more, which in this case makes him the better finisher and adds more flair to it. Why don't we take some of his goals this season?

Again, for the numerous time. Scoring ocasional goals from long distance doesn't make you great finisher. It makes you good at long shots.

Senna can score from long range, Essien can score from long range even Torsten Frings can score from long range but that doesn't mean they are better finishers then Ruud Van Nistelrooy or Pippo Inazaghi.

Your logic "if can score from 30m, how could he have problems to score from closer range" is one of the most stupid things i read here.

And dont even start with Balotelli vs Everton thing, because i can put videos Pato vs Fiorenitna, Roma, Inter, Real Madrid, Barcelona...

Jesus, I can ponder you with FM Stats and yet you will see that both of their paces are resulted with Balotelli = 17, Pato = 18. Oh gee by 1? Give me a break. This is just typical Milanista bias.

This sentence disqualifies you from further debate. After this i can no longer consider you as serious counter part in any football discussion.

1) Balotelli won the Scudettos, Coppa Italia, Champions League with Inter
2) Won the FA Cup with Man City and was Man of the Match in the Final
3) Won the 'Golden Boy' award with the EPL making him the best youth product in the league
4) Is Italy's best U20 player this past decade with +20 goals under that age
5) Man of the Match against Manchester United in one of the biggest derbies
6) Is been said that he can be just as good as the top strikers as today

Wining Champions league doesn't have to mean you are big game player. Being decisive in finale(semi-final, quarter final) does. Balotelli wasn't.

Scoring against Stoke doesn't make you a big game player.
Being the most promising young product doesn't make you big game player.
Someone saying you could be best, doesn't make you big game player.

Scoring twice against Manchester United is good start though.

Frequently scoring and being decisive in big games, playing better then others under pressure, and being constantly good in big games and competition makes big player. Balotelli isn't big player yet, i am not saying he wont be but for now he isn't.

Did you read the post before this you bacala. Please, go learn how to read before posting things I already spoke about.

You are unable to reply to all facts i wrote.

That's just what i thought.

At least you try to share your view on this topic, but you also have to explain your opinion and bring facts.

by JuvenelCuore Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:45 pm

@AttacanteBG: what has Pato done that has made him better than Balotelli, exactly ? :coffee:

by AttacanteBG Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:50 pm

Scored more goals.

by JuvenelCuore Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:57 pm

AttacanteBG wrote:Scored more goals.

So that makes you a better player ? My God, I am glad the footballing world does not share your logic. :coffee:

by AttacanteBG Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:59 pm

Thats one thing though :coffee:

by JuvenelCuore Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:02 am

AttacanteBG wrote:Thats one thing though

So name the others...

Waiting. :coffee:

by AttacanteBG Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:04 am

I already did, read the whole thread :coffee:

Finishing

Pace

big games

:coffee:

by JuvenelCuore Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:06 am

AttacanteBG wrote:I already did, read the whole thread

Finishing

Pace

big games

I would argue Balotelli is a better finisher.

Pace ? Did you miss the Track and Field section ? :coffee:

Pace is great, but in reality, players can and have dealt without it.

Cite some big games Pato has scored in v. games Mario Balotelli has not. :coffee:

by AttacanteBG Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:29 am

Pace is important in this case, Pato use it to devasting effect.

Cite some big games Pato has scored in v. games Mario Balotelli has not.

Barcelona, Real Madrid.

by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:32 am

Attancante, refer to page 3 and refer to the post that I responded to Ganso and the other Milanista. You will see the answer there.

by JuvenelCuore Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:36 am

AttacanteBG wrote:Pace is important in this case, Pato use it to devasting effect.

Cite some big games Pato has scored in v. games Mario Balotelli has not.

Barcelona, Real Madrid.

Scoring in two games makes you automatically better ? Mario Balotelli has done nothing, right ? Did not score [off the top of my head] v. Manchester United twice ? I think twice...either way, once at the very least. :coffee:

by Forza Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:38 am

JuvenelCuore wrote:
AttacanteBG wrote:Pace is important in this case, Pato use it to devasting effect.

Cite some big games Pato has scored in v. games Mario Balotelli has not.

Barcelona, Real Madrid.

Scoring in two games makes you automatically better ? Mario Balotelli has done nothing, right ? Did not score [off the top of my head] v. Manchester United twice ? I think twice...either way, once at the very least.

^ The question was asked, and and a good answer was given.

I can't believe I didn't kill the finishing debate off with the stats on page 3 of this thread.

Also, this Milanista bias thing is rubbish, Balotelli is a Milan supporter too. eco smile

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