Re: Rosell wants the Premier League cut by 4 teams

by The Franchise Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:45 pm

michael1 wrote:I love things the way they are, i mean for me there arent enough games eing played loll

I meannn woww some of them play 2 games a week woopdi do, they get payed more than enough and are trained professionals.

Ur tellin me they cant survive 180 mins of game time a week.

U got labourers bustin there ass off 6 days a week 8 hours liftin heavy shit in boilin weather, if they can do that football can survive 180 mins of football.

What a joke this idea is along with rosell who does he think queen of sheeba,the leagues should drop four teams, fifa should pay players for internationals, is there anything else this guys wants

What on earth is this?

How does money stop someone being fatigued? You really have no idea of the type of condition these guys are in. Footballers are the aomung the best conditioned athletes on the planet, if they are suffering fatigue then what does that tell you.

How you can comparing Labourers to footballers I dont know. Bring any labourer onto a pro football field and they wouldnt last 30minutes.

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:45 pm

michael1 wrote:

And it wouldnt increase competition well not in seria a or epl as yes sometimes there a big scores but that never happens to often and there are always upsets happening in those league.

I mean for la liga this wont make a difference either all it will mean is tgat there are 2 teams less for barca an madrid to pummel

Competitiveness is la ligas problem not any other league.

Regarding competition other leagues are just fine.

pardon my ignorance but facepalm

you find competition fine in any other league??? which one??? the one with less teams in its league??? or the others which arent anymore competitive than laliga

by Lord Spencer Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:51 pm

michael1 wrote:Lol this is ridiculous, do u guys want sliding tackles banned to, because a player might injured.

I dnt know why people think these atheletes are fragile kids.

If they really cant handle 180 mins of football every second week or so then they shouldnt be there.

And it wouldnt increase competition well not in seria a or epl as yes sometimes there a big scores but that never happens to often and there are always upsets happening in those league.

I mean for la liga this wont make a difference either all it will mean is tgat there are 2 teams less for barca an madrid to pummel

Competitiveness is la ligas problem not any other league.

Regarding competition other leagues are just fine.

Serie A's best period was when we had 18 teams, and we began falling apart after getting two more teams.

It is not about the players being fragile, but if you understand anything about Muscles you would know that increased tension via more minutes makes injuries more likely to happen. And are you kidding about them not ruining competitiveness.

To break your point using Serie A and the EPL. Here is the results for five season:

Serie A
Number of wins for the bottom two: 12, 14, 11, 13, 10
Number of wins for the 17,18 team: 19, 19, 17, 17, 18

EPL
Number of wins for the bottom two: 17, 13, 15, 9, 13
Number of wins for the 17,18 team: 19, 16, 15, 18,20

In fact, the bottom 6 of the EPL every season are so hapless they are all relegation candidates, with goals against them approaching 3 digits. In Serie A, there is clear difference between the bottom two teams and other teams, as there is usually two clear cut relegation candidates from the 6th week and only one relegation spot being mysterious.

by michael1 Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
michael1 wrote:

And it wouldnt increase competition well not in seria a or epl as yes sometimes there a big scores but that never happens to often and there are always upsets happening in those league.

I mean for la liga this wont make a difference either all it will mean is tgat there are 2 teams less for barca an madrid to pummel

Competitiveness is la ligas problem not any other league.

Regarding competition other leagues are just fine.

pardon my ignorance but facepalm

you find competition fine in any other league??? which one??? the one with less teams in its league??? or the others which arent anymore competitive than laliga

Really, u really think la liga is more competitive than serie a, epl, ligue 1,bundesliga.

Loll i mean to even there la liga is just as competitive is funny.

But theres no point arguing this as if ur really gonna deny la liga being a two team league then ur in denial.

Not to mention this thread, its not gonna happen so everyone can wish for it but thankfully noone is gonna listen to rosell or anyone here, and things will stay as they are.

The sport is fine as it is, with all these changes and rules people wanna make will ruin this sport.

by Lord Spencer Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:00 pm

The sport was ruined to entertain businesses and you support that. Fewer games do indeed create better quality games. Especially now that the new tactics being implemented are causing even more effort.

Back on the day, Pirlo and Gattuso used to cover most ground on the pitch, and they did that for 4 years. No surprise both declined and got injured. In fact, Pirlo due to fatigue got from injury to injury and lost a lot of form. Only after the last injury and a long rest did he return to what he was.

Now Xavi who is a brilliant architect is just as exhausted as Pirlo was 2 years ago. The probability of him getting injured is not only doubled but more like quadrupled.

The rules that first were brought to "ruin the sport" are introducing the bottom two teams and the fraking plastic balls.

by michael1 Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:09 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:The sport was ruined to entertain businesses and you support that. Fewer games do indeed create better quality games. Especially now that the new tactics being implemented are causing even more effort.

Back on the day, Pirlo and Gattuso used to cover most ground on the pitch, and they did that for 4 years. No surprise both declined and got injured. In fact, Pirlo due to fatigue got from injury to injury and lost a lot of form. Only after the last injury and a long rest did he return to what he was.

Now Xavi who is a brilliant architect is just as exhausted as Pirlo was 2 years ago. The probability of him getting injured is not only doubled but more like quadrupled.

The rules that first were brought to "ruin the sport" are introducing the bottom two teams and the fraking plastic balls.

Well thats why teams have a whole squad not just 11 players it called rotation.

Its the players fault with the egos they have that if the coach benches them they have a fit.

I mean they cant have it both ways, ohh i wanna play every game but u know what lets play less games cause i cant handle it.

Clubs have fitness coaches and all of that to look after players,besides both pirlos gattuso and xavi decline is due to them comin on in age, at this point they shouldnt even be playin every game anyway.

by Lord Spencer Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:14 pm

michael1 wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The sport was ruined to entertain businesses and you support that. Fewer games do indeed create better quality games. Especially now that the new tactics being implemented are causing even more effort.

Back on the day, Pirlo and Gattuso used to cover most ground on the pitch, and they did that for 4 years. No surprise both declined and got injured. In fact, Pirlo due to fatigue got from injury to injury and lost a lot of form. Only after the last injury and a long rest did he return to what he was.

Now Xavi who is a brilliant architect is just as exhausted as Pirlo was 2 years ago. The probability of him getting injured is not only doubled but more like quadrupled.

The rules that first were brought to "ruin the sport" are introducing the bottom two teams and the fraking plastic balls.

Well thats why teams have a whole squad not just 11 players it called rotation.

Its the players fault with the egos they have that if the coach benches them they have a fit.

I mean they cant have it both ways, ohh i wanna play every game but u know what lets play less games cause i cant handle it.

Clubs have fitness coaches and all of that to look after players,besides both pirlos gattuso and xavi decline is due to them comin on in age, at this point they shouldnt even be playin every game anyway.

When you need to win, they sure will play very game. Most squads don't have quality backups, and they are NOT allowed to field a complete back up team in league cups, which would have solved some of the problem.

IMO, league cups should be completely under 21, but not league would accept that since cups are poorly performing financially as it is.

I don't know what is your problem with the suggestion of less games, it is not like Juve against Cesena would get any more exciting. I would rather the players are fit and healthy, rather than see them play against Cesena or Wigan or fraking Almeria.

by Babun Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:16 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
michael1 wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The sport was ruined to entertain businesses and you support that. Fewer games do indeed create better quality games. Especially now that the new tactics being implemented are causing even more effort.

Back on the day, Pirlo and Gattuso used to cover most ground on the pitch, and they did that for 4 years. No surprise both declined and got injured. In fact, Pirlo due to fatigue got from injury to injury and lost a lot of form. Only after the last injury and a long rest did he return to what he was.

Now Xavi who is a brilliant architect is just as exhausted as Pirlo was 2 years ago. The probability of him getting injured is not only doubled but more like quadrupled.

The rules that first were brought to "ruin the sport" are introducing the bottom two teams and the fraking plastic balls.

Well thats why teams have a whole squad not just 11 players it called rotation.

Its the players fault with the egos they have that if the coach benches them they have a fit.

I mean they cant have it both ways, ohh i wanna play every game but u know what lets play less games cause i cant handle it.

Clubs have fitness coaches and all of that to look after players,besides both pirlos gattuso and xavi decline is due to them comin on in age, at this point they shouldnt even be playin every game anyway.

When you need to win, they sure will play very game. Most squads don't have quality backups, and they are NOT allowed to field a complete back up team in league cups, which would have solved some of the problem.

IMO, league cups should be completely under 21, but not league would accept that since cups are poorly performing financially as it is.

I don't know what is your problem with the suggestion of less games, it is not like Juve against Cesena would get any more exciting. I would rather the players are fit and healthy, rather than see them play against Cesena or Wigan or fraking Almeria.

Wigan and Almeria are no jokes. You chose wrong teams. They're known to end long win streaks of big teams eco smile

Wigan not so much this season but generally they're a threat eco smile

by halamadrid2 Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:17 pm

michael1 wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:
michael1 wrote:

And it wouldnt increase competition well not in seria a or epl as yes sometimes there a big scores but that never happens to often and there are always upsets happening in those league.

I mean for la liga this wont make a difference either all it will mean is tgat there are 2 teams less for barca an madrid to pummel

Competitiveness is la ligas problem not any other league.

Regarding competition other leagues are just fine.

pardon my ignorance but facepalm

you find competition fine in any other league??? which one??? the one with less teams in its league??? or the others which arent anymore competitive than laliga

Really, u really think la liga is more competitive than serie a, epl, ligue 1,bundesliga.

Loll i mean to even there la liga is just as competitive is funny.

But theres no point arguing this as if ur really gonna deny la liga being a two team league then ur in denial.

Not to mention this thread, its not gonna happen so everyone can wish for it but thankfully noone is gonna listen to rosell or anyone here, and things will stay as they are.

The sport is fine as it is, with all these changes and rules people wanna make will ruin this sport.

i mean this point has been argued over and over

the same 2 teams always win their respective leagues over the course of a decade, no point in denying it(in case of bundes and ligue1 they only have one)

now if we reduced the leagues so we wouldve less of the evertons and osasunas, it would be much more competitive and you would play more than twice against teams you feel awkard playing against

put it this way, say its the end of the league and there is only one game left, youre trailing the table toppers by 1 point....

you have to play a team like udinese and the first placed team plays cesena what would you feel like, you would concede loss wouldnt you??? cesena would let in goal after goal

thats what i mean, cut the useless teams that cant attack to save their lives and make the top teamers earn their pay-check properly this time

by michael1 Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:25 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
michael1 wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The sport was ruined to entertain businesses and you support that. Fewer games do indeed create better quality games. Especially now that the new tactics being implemented are causing even more effort.

Back on the day, Pirlo and Gattuso used to cover most ground on the pitch, and they did that for 4 years. No surprise both declined and got injured. In fact, Pirlo due to fatigue got from injury to injury and lost a lot of form. Only after the last injury and a long rest did he return to what he was.

Now Xavi who is a brilliant architect is just as exhausted as Pirlo was 2 years ago. The probability of him getting injured is not only doubled but more like quadrupled.

The rules that first were brought to "ruin the sport" are introducing the bottom two teams and the fraking plastic balls.

Well thats why teams have a whole squad not just 11 players it called rotation.

Its the players fault with the egos they have that if the coach benches them they have a fit.

I mean they cant have it both ways, ohh i wanna play every game but u know what lets play less games cause i cant handle it.

Clubs have fitness coaches and all of that to look after players,besides both pirlos gattuso and xavi decline is due to them comin on in age, at this point they shouldnt even be playin every game anyway.

When you need to win, they sure will play very game. Most squads don't have quality backups, and they are NOT allowed to field a complete back up team in league cups, which would have solved some of the problem.

IMO, league cups should be completely under 21, but not league would accept that since cups are poorly performing financially as it is.

I don't know what is your problem with the suggestion of less games, it is not like Juve against Cesena would get any more exciting. I would rather the players are fit and healthy, rather than see them play against Cesena or Wigan or fraking Almeria.

I do get what ur saying but they arent as bad as use are makin some teams out to be,upsets happen all the time.

And thats why i love this sport because u can be 90% sure this team will win but then ull be wrong.

I mean the amount of times iv been dicked on my multi due to an upset is ridiculous.

And i guess im greedy as i could sit down everyday and watch football and not get bored, i hate waiting all week.

And for us aussies its not exactly easy for to watch games with the times they are on espc serie a, i go to work on a monday many times with eiter havin had no sleep or only an hour or 2.

And i guess it cause we dnt get much coverage over here.

In other words i jsut need my football fix hahaha which is why i dnt want less games played

I mean even summer transfer season kills me lol i jsut want the season to start.

by michael1 Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:28 pm

Hala madrid i get what ur sayin to but then there will e more repitiveness with us seeing to much of the same teams and less upsets, which i really do love seeing lol even if it does end up ruining my multi.

by Magricos Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:31 am

Lord Spencer wrote:
Magricos wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:Smaller league = more competitive league, as you have a smaller margin of error and you get rid of the bottom of the pile. It is a fact that footballers are much overplayed in recent years.

Serie A's greatest ever period was when the league had 18 teams, coincidence I think not. It is ironic how not one who slammed Rossel's plan had any logical argument against it. Would you rather prolong the career and heath of footballers or watch your team hammer Wigan 8-0.

It is stupid to think that the time saved would be used for club friendlies, but a CL that plays in weekends and a Europa league that does not play a day before the league matches is a bonus. Currently, there is a reason teams in the EL struggle in their respective leagues and it is obvious playing in Thursday and Friday would fatigue you for Sat and Sun.

Reducing the amount of games professionals play is a step in the right direction. It ensures they stay fit for a longer time, and would not ruin international tournaments where players are too exhausted to do anything. German based players play the least amount of games among the top four leagues and there performance in international tournaments is beginning to correlate with that.

he didn't say anything about reducing the amount of games played.

Reducing the amount of teams would naturally reduce the amount of games.

He wants to replace them with friendlies to make more money.

by michael1 Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:48 am

Magricos where didnu read that ??
Could u link us please, cause if tats the case then im even more against this !!

Stupid rossel wants more freidnlys so he can get barca out of debt

by Magricos Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:55 am

michael1 wrote:Magricos where didnu read that ??
Could u link us please, cause if tats the case then im even more against this !!

Stupid rossel wants more freidnlys so he can get barca out of debt

He didn't say it was for more money but he did say he just wanted the days to be replaced with friendlies or an increase in European competition. Barca will obviously benefit from this. He also said the dates are not for international friendlies. It's in the article.

by Lord Spencer Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:57 am

That was just suggestion, and a stupid one at that.

by Magricos Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:59 am

The whole idea is a suggestion.

by Lord Spencer Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:02 am

I know, but he said that the saved time could be used for European competition and/or friendlies.

Having extra games ruins the whole idea of saving a couple of games.

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