All time European Cup/ Champions League XI - L'Equipe

windkick wrote:I'd change Giggs with Xavi

They should have a bench, where I would of put Giggs and Raul (Raul is amazing but not knocking anybody off that list)

Also no more Zidane talk, he only won 1 CL so no point of his name being mentioned here

This he only won 1 CL so he doesn't matter in this context and Grande Hierro wasn't Zizou's midfield partner.

No Zidane?

He can't be selected he only won 1.

Rijkarrd should probably be there though.

Oh right, only those who won multiple. A bit dumb then.

OMG Barcelona fans really get over yourselves, no way in HELL is Xavi getting over Giggs my God lol there is a certain point where your bias has to stop getting in the way

The xcx wrote:

baresi wrote:Roberto Caros, Luis Figo, Raul, David Beckham, Fernando Hierro, Ronaldo, Makelele, all those played along side Zidane.

I am not getting into the argument if he is a great player or not, he is by all means, but I am commenting on "Zidane never had an solid partner to work with and expand the history of Madrid"

I meant that he didint have an solid midfield partner, The names you just enlisted dosent fall for that category, apart from figo, beckham, Hierro, Makelele, they were a apart of a midfield but I dont recall them being Zidanes cm duo . And beckham on the list?
Idiocy

Let's not forget Guti / Solari shall we ? Surely they would be a tad bit more relevant than "Hierro". But overall..one of the more retarded claims I've had the pleasure of reading. Poor poor zidane..so misunderstood..so alone..

What great misfortune..to have to supply balls to one of the greatest centerforwards of our generation..to have to share the midfield with the likes of figo / guti / beckham / makelele. To have defensive security in the form of hierro/helguera.. To have the likes of carlos and salgado flying up the wings..to have raul waiting for a finish ! Oh the horror..oh the humanity. Surely this is the definition of a modern day footballing tragedy..

You sir..are a mongoloid ( no offense to mongoloids ). I've noticed so many of your posts before and I always wondered..why does this guy bother ?, but i figured you just saved your delightfully retarded snippets for us at the Barca forum . The claim that zidane had no partner to work with in Madrid..kinda sums it all up for me.

So..whatever helps YOU sleep at night xcx
You carry on now..don't let logic and fact get in your way. Qualified reasoning is so overrated

Solari was a winger. Zizou and Hierro only played 2 years together in which heplayed as a CB. Our problem wasn't attack it was defence. Can people at least try to stay on topic ?

The Lizard King wrote:

The xcx wrote:

baresi wrote:Roberto Caros, Luis Figo, Raul, David Beckham, Fernando Hierro, Ronaldo, Makelele, all those played along side Zidane.

I am not getting into the argument if he is a great player or not, he is by all means, but I am commenting on "Zidane never had an solid partner to work with and expand the history of Madrid"

I meant that he didint have an solid midfield partner, The names you just enlisted dosent fall for that category, apart from figo, beckham, Hierro, Makelele, they were a apart of a midfield but I dont recall them being Zidanes cm duo . And beckham on the list?
Idiocy

Let's not forget Guti / Solari shall we ? Surely they would be a tad bit more relevant than "Hierro". But overall..one of the more retarded claims I've had the pleasure of reading. Poor poor zidane..so misunderstood..so alone..

What great misfortune..to have to supply balls to one of the greatest centerforwards of our generation..to have to share the midfield with the likes of figo / guti / beckham / makelele. To have defensive security in the form of hierro/helguera.. To have the likes of carlos and salgado flying up the wings..to have raul waiting for a finish ! Oh the horror..oh the humanity. Surely this is the definition of a modern day footballing tragedy..

You sir..are a mongoloid ( no offense to mongoloids ). I've noticed so many of your posts before and I always wondered..why does this guy bother ?, but i figured you just saved your delightfully retarded snippets for us at the Barca forum . The claim that zidane had no partner to work with in Madrid..kinda sums it all up for me.

So..whatever helps YOU sleep at night xcx
You carry on now..don't let logic and fact get in your way. Qualified reasoning is so overrated

If you dont like what I write, why dont you ignore me?..But lets keep insults to our selves mkay. I do give you credit, for bringing some good points, but hey agree to disagree. Nothing wrong what you said I suppose, we just understand football differently. Nothing wrong with that.

ali8775 wrote:OMG Barcelona fans really get over yourselves, no way in HELL is Xavi getting over Giggs my God lol there is a certain point where your bias has to stop getting in the way

How about this, Xavi vs Giggs in the CL finals = Xavi 2 cups and Giggs 0

Also look up that assist to Messi's header the first time they met, amazing stuff

windkick wrote:

ali8775 wrote:OMG Barcelona fans really get over yourselves, no way in HELL is Xavi getting over Giggs my God lol there is a certain point where your bias has to stop getting in the way

How about this, Xavi vs Giggs in the CL finals = Xavi 2 cups and Giggs 0

Also look up that assist to Messi's header the first time they met, amazing stuff

you mean the finals you shouldn't have been in? :O

Xavi and Giggs are very very different players. Why compare them at all?

Could Xavi get in ahead of Seedorf?

I'd have Casillas over Maier imo

Also Puskas > Van Basten

i am sorry, raul may not be the best striker ever or even the best of the last generation even though he was damn good but until messi catches up he is the greatest player of the cl era imo.. i mean he is the top scorer in the 'european cup/ cl' by a fair distance.. scored in two finals... surely should feature


and a case can be made for etoo too.

diptiman wrote:i am sorry, raul may not be the best striker ever or even the best of the last generation even though he was damn good but until messi catches up he is the greatest player of the cl era imo.. i mean he is the top scorer in the 'european cup/ cl' by a fair distance.. scored in two finals... surely should feature


and a case can be made for etoo too.

I think Messi has already surpassed Raul as best attacker of UCL-era. Sure Raul has most goals, but his conversion ratio and knockout stage % are pretty awful.

Goals overall Messi 39 - 71 Raul
Goals knockout stage Messi 18 - 18 Raul
Goals ratio Messi 0.66 - 0.49 Raul
Titles best scorer Messi 3 - 2 Raul (which the other were 3 way tie)
Titles champion Messi 3 - 3 Raul
Titles overall Messi 6 - 5 Raul

However there is no argument for Eto'o in this team.

Crimson wrote:I'd have Casillas over Maier imo

Not really. Sepp Maier won 3 consecutive CL titles and is a true legend. It's a pity the IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper award only started in 1987, in his time he would collected some wins there, too, even though he was in the same time as one of my other classic faves Dino Zoff.

ali8775 wrote:OMG Barcelona fans really get over yourselves, no way in HELL is Xavi getting over Giggs my God lol there is a certain point where your bias has to stop getting in the way

Tell me what is new? Arsenal fans insulting Barca fans...FYI its not only Barca fans saying Xavi should get in ahead of giggs, and they are not even playing in the same position....as for the finals Barca shouldn't get in, that is one of the stupidest statements ever, because you will find "what ifs" in every winner's campaigns...be logical

diptiman wrote:i am sorry, raul may not be the best striker ever or even the best of the last generation even though he was damn good but until messi catches up he is the greatest player of the cl era imo.. i mean he is the top scorer in the 'european cup/ cl' by a fair distance.. scored in two finals... surely should feature


and a case can be made for etoo too.

eto, as much as I loved him, and Raul cannot be compared to MVB and Muller, especially muller, who was like a RVN on roids

Crimson wrote:I'd have Casillas over Maier imo

Also Puskas > Van Basten

Yes Puska > MVB, its between him and Muller for the best

ali8775 wrote:

windkick wrote:

ali8775 wrote:OMG Barcelona fans really get over yourselves, no way in HELL is Xavi getting over Giggs my God lol there is a certain point where your bias has to stop getting in the way

How about this, Xavi vs Giggs in the CL finals = Xavi 2 cups and Giggs 0

Also look up that assist to Messi's header the first time they met, amazing stuff

you mean the finals you shouldn't have been in? :O

How shouldn't we have been at the finals?

jiopsi wrote:

diptiman wrote:i am sorry, raul may not be the best striker ever or even the best of the last generation even though he was damn good but until messi catches up he is the greatest player of the cl era imo.. i mean he is the top scorer in the 'european cup/ cl' by a fair distance.. scored in two finals... surely should feature


and a case can be made for etoo too.

I think Messi has already surpassed Raul as best attacker of UCL-era. Sure Raul has most goals, but his conversion ratio and knockout stage % are pretty awful.

Goals overall Messi 39 - 71 Raul
Goals knockout stage Messi 18 - 18 Raul
Goals ratio Messi 0.66 - 0.49 Raul
Titles best scorer Messi 3 - 2 Raul (which the other were 3 way tie)
Titles champion Messi 3 - 3 Raul
Titles overall Messi 6 - 5 Raul

However there is no argument for Eto'o in this team.

lol. Raul is for sure better than Messi, so far. Scored in 2 diff. finals, brilliant in knock-out rounds, didnt play in a team that kept 99% possession of the ball, but Messi can surely pass him in the future. My point is not yet.

Raul should be ahead of Giggs or Messi in this team.

Mr.Hendrix wrote:

jiopsi wrote:

diptiman wrote:i am sorry, raul may not be the best striker ever or even the best of the last generation even though he was damn good but until messi catches up he is the greatest player of the cl era imo.. i mean he is the top scorer in the 'european cup/ cl' by a fair distance.. scored in two finals... surely should feature


and a case can be made for etoo too.

I think Messi has already surpassed Raul as best attacker of UCL-era. Sure Raul has most goals, but his conversion ratio and knockout stage % are pretty awful.

Goals overall Messi 39 - 71 Raul
Goals knockout stage Messi 18 - 18 Raul
Goals ratio Messi 0.66 - 0.49 Raul
Titles best scorer Messi 3 - 2 Raul (which the other were 3 way tie)
Titles champion Messi 3 - 3 Raul
Titles overall Messi 6 - 5 Raul

However there is no argument for Eto'o in this team.

lol. Raul is for sure better than Messi, so far. Scored in 2 diff. finals, brilliant in knock-out rounds, didnt play in a team that kept 99% possession of the ball, but Messi can surely pass him in the future. My point is not yet.

Raul should be ahead of Giggs or Messi in this team.

Messi has also scored 2 different finals, also scored one of the best goals ever in the competition. If you take less meaningfull group stage goals away, they have scored same amount of goals. I mean you could probably argue that both team would have advanced every time, them without even scoring group stages. Nevertheless it's my opinion, there is argument for Raul also in this team.

They should of added a bench imo. Would of saved allot of arguing and some guys should of got some recognition

BeautifulGame wrote:Muller ahead of Van Basten

.. messi and muller may be miles better than raul for all i care.. his conversion rate may be stupid or whatever.. but he is one of the greatest players of the cl and certainly the best striker and highest appearance maker.. so until messi or someone surpasses him

raul has to be on that list, just like klose could be on the wc list of all time teams