Italian league and it's bizare transfers

When we sold Bent to villa we were fighting for a Europa position, Villa were fighting relegation, it was a panic buy on their behalf.

Villa had already approached & sorted out the deal with Bent behind our back. He handed in a transfer request and ran to hide in a hotel in Birmingham.

Yes he was under contract and we could of realisticly kept him, but Quinn has a philosophy of only wanting hungry players at the club who want to play for us.

Money grabbers are not welcome. We have had discussions with players in the past who were just interested about money and the club decided to walk away from the deal. They are not the right kind of players for us.

Money really does talk though, if a team offers a substantial fee for a player most clubs would at least consider it regardless if they are competitors or not. Ronaldo to Madrid for example, they are both competitors at CL level. That sale didn't indicate Man Utd have no ambition.

Where money isnt such a consideration like in Man city's case for example, they wont sell to competitors. They have had a number of players the likes of Liverpool & City have been interested in but would not sell due to competition for similar league positions.

I think some of it also comes down to relationships between owners & managers. Although not competitors we have a pretty good relationship with Man Utd, the same can be said of City after we lent them an emergency goal keeper.

However after taking Bruce from Wigan & Lee Cattermole they hate us and will make any dealings very difficult.

Doc wrote:

bloodless wrote:
like in EPL, a relegation threatened team will almost never sell to a fellow relegation candidate...a europa league candidate will not sell to a fellow candidate...even movement amongst the mid-tablers with nothin to play for is rare!!....thts my point

Liverpool sold Torres to Chelsea, both are UCL teams. Villa sold Milner and Lescott to Man City, both are Europa level teams (at the time). Subsequently, Sunderland sold Bent to Villa, one was avoiding relegation while the other was gunning for a Europa spot. And Juventus and Milan are not rivals, not in the same light as Napoli - Juventus, Genoa - Sampdoria, Roma Lazio, Milan Inter, Juventus Torino. I believe both clubs have a gentleman's thing going on and neither like Inter so they share a common bond...

Well the difference is that in the transfers u mentioned in PL the selling club tried almost everything to stop the players from going to rivalo clubs. Only after put in transfer requests they were sold and even then sold to an over inflated price . Thats certainly not the case with most of the Seria A transfers mentioned in this thread .

Superpeppe wrote:

Iceman wrote:I'm not really familiar with the rivalries in Italy.
Does somebody care enough to make a list :?:

Milan-Inter
Inter-Juve
Roma-Lazio
Palermo-Catania
Napoli-Milan

Fiorentina-Napoli is bigger than Napoli-Milan

Samp-Genoa

Bologna-Parma

Torino-Juventus

Surag.Blueguy wrote:serie a doesnt have the financial power like la liga's big two or the premier league. !

I don't know where people get the idea that Serie A doesn't have the financial power of La Liga. The EPL has 2 billion or so of revenue, but the EPL's losses were half a billion this year.

From April 2011:

"Serie A also has a total revenue of €1.43 billion, second only to the Premier League. The future looks bright for Italy and for its clubs."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/678848-power-ranking-the-leagues-epl-vs-serie-a-vs-la-liga-vs-ligue-1-vs-mls/page/2

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Really?

Tevez wasnt sold by Man Utd to City. some 3rd party pocketed the money.

Michael Owen didnt join Man Utd from Liverpool either.

Really? You're really talking about transfers between clubs in Italy...

bloodless wrote:I can't understand it for the life of me, I know that on the field the rivalry between teams are unparalleld but how is it that teams competing at the same levels are switching players between each other like its nothing?

One player that has played for inter, milan, juve bieng a norm....napoli just CO-OWNING a player with there direct rival.... cavani moving on a loan from a direct rival....borrielo moving str8 from milan to roma, toni to juve

like what the hell? :S

Right loan's are done because they are a way of doing deals quicker, the fee is basically agreed before hand similarly how Ibra got sent on loan to Milan but the fee was already agreed its just a quicker way of getting the deal done same story with Cavani deal.

the majority of co-owns are done for young players who need experience so they get that experience and then the club's can either agree a fee for that player or he simply come back to his parent club, again it's just a quicker way of getting things done its very efficient.

Similarly in a way how Spanish clubs sell their young players but invoke buy back clause in their contracts so they can give those players experience and if they exceed expectations they can buy them back for a set fee Real Madrid have used this very effectively over the last few years.

Also the theory English clubs dont sell to thier rivals is a myth which iam sure has made clear by other people already lol.

As for Pirlo he was a free agent so Juventus did'nt deal with Milan.

Any other questions?

You have to separate the Fans, Presidents and club rivalries altogether in this.

Just because fans wan't to kill each other on the terraces and often attempt to do so in the streets, service stations...does not necessarily mean presidents share this bitter hatred, and certainly not to the extent of it completely destroying possible business transactions.

In Italy Juventus have a rivalry against everyone, all hate us. For our fans trips to Napoli, Roma, Genoa, Milano and Firenze are probably the most hostile, but that doesn't mean Palermo, Catania etc are 'friendly' places to go...

Again this does not mean no teams will not sell to us, to the men who run these clubs it is a business venture. On pitch rivalries barely figure. Even so many of the deals mentioned are not even considered in context.

I'm not sure Spain and England are any different, but there you go.

:{Mr.Mustachio! wrote:You have to separate the Fans, Presidents and club rivalries altogether in this.

Just because fans wan't to kill each other on the terraces and often attempt to do so in the streets, service stations...does not necessarily mean presidents share this bitter hatred, and certainly not to the extent of it completely destroying possible business transactions.

In Italy Juventus have a rivalry against everyone, all hate us. For our fans trips to Napoli, Roma, Genoa, Milano and Firenze are probably the most hostile, but that doesn't mean Palermo, Catania etc are 'friendly' places to go...

Again this does not mean no teams will not sell to us, to the men who run these clubs it is a business venture. On pitch rivalries barely figure.

I'm not sure Spain and England are any different, but there you go.

Apart from Sampdoria ofcourse

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

:{Mr.Mustachio! wrote:You have to separate the Fans, Presidents and club rivalries altogether in this.

Just because fans wan't to kill each other on the terraces and often attempt to do so in the streets, service stations...does not necessarily mean presidents share this bitter hatred, and certainly not to the extent of it completely destroying possible business transactions.

In Italy Juventus have a rivalry against everyone, all hate us. For our fans trips to Napoli, Roma, Genoa, Milano and Firenze are probably the most hostile, but that doesn't mean Palermo, Catania etc are 'friendly' places to go...

Again this does not mean no teams will not sell to us, to the men who run these clubs it is a business venture. On pitch rivalries barely figure.

I'm not sure Spain and England are any different, but there you go.

Apart from Sampdoria ofcourse

Touche

both ade and toure wanted to leave and city paid the most for them....... and that time we weren't direct rivals in any way with them......anyone would take 45mil for 1 season wonder who thought he was as good as Henry and one that wanted a new challenge

btw Jafaar most of the ones your posting are wrong....Spuds have a history of sell players to Man U for $$... if i had Berb in my team and someone were willing to pay 30mil for him i would take it.....

Torres Situtation: Torres wanted to leave and Chelsea offered the most... and Liverpool is using that money to start a new team....

Anekla.... didn't moved didn't join direct rivals at any time.... City at that time were a midtable team...

imalegend wrote:both ade and toure wanted to leave and city paid the most for them....... and that time we weren't direct rivals in any way with them......anyone would take 45mil for 1 season wonder who thought he was as good as Henry and one that wanted a new challenge

btw Jafaar most of the ones your posting are wrong....Spuds have a history of sell players to Man U for $$... if i had Berb in my team and someone were willing to pay 30mil for him i would take it.....

Torres Situtation: Torres wanted to leave and Chelsea offered the most... and Liverpool is using that money to start a new team....

Anekla.... didn't moved didn't join direct rivals at any time.... City at that time were a midtable team...

but they definitely are ur cl rivals ...and if u dont think so ,then how can u consider napoli and genoa as direct rivals or napoli and palermo just like how the guy who posted this thread thinks..

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

Exactly, what's the difference...

Tevez is another one. Torres is another one...

sciacca wrote:

Exactly, what's the difference...

Tevez is another one. Torres is another one...

Tevez wasn't sold to City..he was owned by third party

Liverpool needed a new team and Chelsea were offering 50mil for him.....anyone would take that.....


Ade and Toure.....are to different cases.... Ade was a manaic wanting more wages....and City offered the most for him....Toure on the other hand was having difficulties with Gallas and wanted a new challenge....you tell me if someone offered 45mil for both those players you won't take it....

Gallas wasn't sold to Spuds....he was let go on free he joined them....


Piennar hadd wanted to leave Everton for a while... and Spuds and Everton aren't rivals in any way.... Spuds try for CL...getting El....while you never know what Everton wants....plus Piennar was playing less everyday in Everton

in Seria A... the transfers to direct rivals or position rivals are for nothing...either loans...cheap or trades

imalegend wrote:

sciacca wrote:

Exactly, what's the difference...

Tevez is another one. Torres is another one...

Tevez wasn't sold to City..he was owned by third party

Liverpool needed a new team and Chelsea were offering 50mil for him.....anyone would take that.....


Ade and Toure.....are to different cases.... Ade was a manaic wanting more wages....and City offered the most for him....Toure on the other hand was having difficulties with Gallas and wanted a new challenge....you tell me if someone offered 45mil for both those players you won't take it....

Gallas wasn't sold to Spuds....he was let go on free he joined them....


Piennar hadd wanted to leave Everton for a while... and Spuds and Everton aren't rivals in any way.... Spuds try for CL...getting El....while you never know what Everton wants....plus Piennar was playing less everyday in Everton

in Seria A... the transfers to direct rivals or position rivals are for nothing...either loans...cheap or trades

they how can u consider napoli and genoa as direct rivals ???napoli are competing for cl places whilst genoa are a mid-table club..same goes to palermo..

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

imalegend wrote:

sciacca wrote:

Exactly, what's the difference...

Tevez is another one. Torres is another one...

Tevez wasn't sold to City..he was owned by third party

Liverpool needed a new team and Chelsea were offering 50mil for him.....anyone would take that.....


Ade and Toure.....are to different cases.... Ade was a manaic wanting more wages....and City offered the most for him....Toure on the other hand was having difficulties with Gallas and wanted a new challenge....you tell me if someone offered 45mil for both those players you won't take it....

Gallas wasn't sold to Spuds....he was let go on free he joined them....


Piennar hadd wanted to leave Everton for a while... and Spuds and Everton aren't rivals in any way.... Spuds try for CL...getting El....while you never know what Everton wants....plus Piennar was playing less everyday in Everton

in Seria A... the transfers to direct rivals or position rivals are for nothing...either loans...cheap or trades

they how can u consider napoli and genoa as direct rivals ???napoli are competing for cl places whilst genoa are a mid-table club..same goes to palermo..

these transfers happened in last summer.... therefore napoli weren't a CL team then they were a EL team...so was Genoa who were competing for EL too

same with the Toure/Ade case.... City were a EL team then not a CL when Arsenal sold them both

imalegend wrote:

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

imalegend wrote:

sciacca wrote:

Exactly, what's the difference...

Tevez is another one. Torres is another one...

Tevez wasn't sold to City..he was owned by third party

Liverpool needed a new team and Chelsea were offering 50mil for him.....anyone would take that.....


Ade and Toure.....are to different cases.... Ade was a manaic wanting more wages....and City offered the most for him....Toure on the other hand was having difficulties with Gallas and wanted a new challenge....you tell me if someone offered 45mil for both those players you won't take it....

Gallas wasn't sold to Spuds....he was let go on free he joined them....


Piennar hadd wanted to leave Everton for a while... and Spuds and Everton aren't rivals in any way.... Spuds try for CL...getting El....while you never know what Everton wants....plus Piennar was playing less everyday in Everton

in Seria A... the transfers to direct rivals or position rivals are for nothing...either loans...cheap or trades

they how can u consider napoli and genoa as direct rivals ???napoli are competing for cl places whilst genoa are a mid-table club..same goes to palermo..

these transfers happened in last summer.... therefore napoli weren't a CL team then they were a EL team...so was Genoa who were competing for EL too

same with the Toure/Ade case.... City were a EL team then not a CL when Arsenal sold them both

if u think city 'were' an el team then ,then i have some more pics here..

if you knew anything about those you would know

that City paid 20mil+ for Lescott.... plus Lescott had publicly said many times he wanted to leave...and Everton were forced into doing so

Barry had been unsettled due to Liverpool's bid to get him and he wanted out too.....Liverpool were looking to replace Alonso with Barry....but it didn't happen in the end... but it caused problems from Villa....as they had a player who wanted to leave.... City came in and offer $12mil for him...Villa were forced it take it