should the EPL get 5 CL spots ?

Keyzar wrote:

zizzle wrote:i hate their league, i hate their football, i hate their media, i even hate the fact that im making this thread, but dont you think this arguement is valid ?

think of it, u've got united, city, chelsea, liverpool, arsenal and tottenham, all CL material, yet 2 of these teams will not make it to the CL, while at the same time some teams participate in the competition just because they happen to be in europe

im not saying the EPL is the best league in the world coz there's so much headless running around that i wanna see, but, well, their top teams are good ATM

Can only come from an interista

HscouserZ wrote:lol not to forget real madrid practically cheated there way for about 5 CLs ...

cyberman wrote:course we do
Serie A already lost a spot and theres a very real chance only 1 team will make it past the groups
Spain? Least said about their 3rd / 4th places teams impact on the CL the better
Cry, bitch, moan and complain, but the simple fact is the EPL has more CL quality teams than Spain and Italy put together

Prem-envy is such an ugly affliction

Grande_Milano wrote:Overall, despite some bizzare statements Tott>Milan etc, have to go with EPL fans here. Italy is in crisis, Spain is in stagnation, Germany does not have enough attraction and fanbase worldwide.

But, still 4 CL spots is enough

HscouserZ wrote:lol not to forget real madrid practically cheated there way for about 5 CLs ...

wigglesworth wrote:

cyberman wrote:course we do
Serie A already lost a spot and theres a very real chance only 1 team will make it past the groups
Spain? Least said about their 3rd / 4th places teams impact on the CL the better
Cry, bitch, moan and complain, but the simple fact is the EPL has more CL quality teams than Spain and Italy put together

Prem-envy is such an ugly affliction

It's a damn shame that with all that quality in the EPL the last four Champions Leagues have been won by La Liga and Serie A teams.

There also should be an investigation, there is no way that with all that quality there was no EPL team in the semis in 2010. There was a lot of cheating by the Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga and Ligue 1 teams that made the semis probably.

zizzle wrote:this was not supposed to be a Serie A vs EPL thread coz we deep down we all KNOW that Serie A>>>EPL.

It's true that the EPL has 5 or 6 quality teams but the depth in that league is laughable, Serie A's middle table over achievers Udinese, stripped out of their top stars, gave Arsenal, title cotenders last year, a run for their money ! that says alot

B-Mac MUFC wrote:English teams don't take europa league seriously, especially the big clubs....just look at the squads they throw out there

and im sure Liverpool fans will back me on this, didn't give a shit about Europa league when they were in it

RedOranje wrote:

B-Mac MUFC wrote:English teams don't take europa league seriously, especially the big clubs....just look at the squads they throw out there

and im sure Liverpool fans will back me on this, didn't give a shit about Europa league when they were in it

Yes, we did. But we also had the likes of PFK, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Cole, and N'gog playing with some regularity. Bit different to what we have now in terms of both depth and first team strength.

wigglesworth wrote:I think that the Champions League should be limited to EPL teams so that an EPL team will win it every year.

The money that UEFA loses because EPL teams can't win the thing is phenomenal. La Liga and The Serie A have won it 4 times in the past 5 years, this loses UEFA a lot of money.

Another tournament can be created for continental Europe champions.

wigglesworth wrote:

ali8775 wrote:

Adit wrote:If those teams were so strong why didnt they win Europa league?


EPL has won one single UEFA cup in last 27 years.

so basically...your saying that Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, and Liverpool aren't strong. Right?

Arsenal and Liverpool are no stronger than Lazio or Napoli or Juventus. (or Roma once the American owners get it together) Arsenal had to fight to beat a relegation side like Udinese.

Note: You will see how weak Udinese is when they face Spanish competition in the Europa League.

wigglesworth wrote:Napoli has strengthened itself considerably since that game and in the game Napoli led until the 71st minute and then it was tied until Liverpool were awarded a penalty kick. There was very little difference in the team's qualities then, and with Napoli's acquisitions they have more quality now.

You can believe whatever Premface.

wigglesworth wrote:LOL yourself Premface

wigglesworth wrote:

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:

wigglesworth wrote:LOL yourself Premface

lol sometimes i just think you like to troll lol, you know your wrong dont but you just dont want to admit it....lol old people are so stubborn

What is so funny (and suitable for LOL) is how the propaganda that has been emanating from the EPL has affected Premfaces so that it makes it difficult for premfaces to face facts.

1. 4 of the last 5 CLs have been won by La Liga and Serie A.
2. The last 2 by La Liga and the Serie A.

Even going back 20 years the EPL has only won it 3 times, while Serie A has won it 5 times. (La Liga 6 times)

The EPL is barely better than the Bundesliga in winning the CL over the past 20 years.

Why all this arrogance when the EPL is not that successful in the CL and even worse in the UEFA Cup/Europa League. I don't get it. Must be the kool aid the Premfaces drink.

wigglesworth wrote:

Arsenalfaithfull wrote:Wiggles dont take this personally but
I cant take you seriously. You are like cyberman on roids when it comes to being bias about your league. Every thing you say about Italian teams equates to :
1 how great your teams are

2 when siri a teams lose (they usually do), you always justify this by saying the loss was the result of some serious crazy unforeseeable act of god, players missing or something

So give me actual reason why you feel that Napoli, Juve, and Lazio and roma are better than Liverpool and Arsenal? What have they done /achieved to warrant such acclaim? And please dont resort into letting us know how many CL Italian teams have won.

You and other Premfaces are so brainwashed about the EPL that you cannot fathom anyone believing a Serie A team is on the level of an EPL team. You take bias to another level. It's like, "how dare anyone think that a team not from the EPL is in any way on the level of an EPL team".

You premfaces are so biased you don't recognize it as bias.

And, all of this has no basis in fact based on final results and CL and EL championships, the only place where leagues can be compared.

I suspect Premfaces are born believing the EPL has won more CLs and ELs/Uefa Cups than any other league recently if not throughout the histories of the cups.

wigglesworth wrote:

ali8775 wrote:

wigglesworth wrote:

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:

wigglesworth wrote:LOL yourself Premface

lol sometimes i just think you like to troll lol, you know your wrong dont but you just dont want to admit it....lol old people are so stubborn

What is so funny (and suitable for LOL) is how the propaganda that has been emanating from the EPL has affected Premfaces so that it makes it difficult for premfaces to face facts.

1. 4 of the last 5 CLs have been won by La Liga and Serie A.
2. The last 2 by La Liga and the Serie A.

Even going back 20 years the EPL has only won it 3 times, while Serie A has won it 5 times. (La Liga 6 times)

The EPL is barely better than the Bundesliga in winning the CL over the past 20 years.

Why all this arrogance when the EPL is not that successful in the CL and even worse in the UEFA Cup/Europa League. I don't get it. Must be the kool aid the Premfaces drink.

and in the last 34 years WE HAVE WON 10, WHAT THE FRAK IS YOUR POINT?

Lazio and Napoli and Juventus are NOT better then Arsenal and Liverpool, please, their midfield would get STEAMROLLED . They would hardly touch a ball ffs. Also to answer a guy above, we'v played Cisse before...still didn't score. Premface....lol , calling someone premface gives them the right to call you a Serie A c*cksucker

1. The point is, Serie A has been in the CL final many more times and have won more CLs than the EPL. Full stop.

And, in typical Premface fashion of the bias on steroids the Premface du jour claims:

"their midfield would get STEAMROLLED . They would hardly touch a ball ffs. " Talking about Juventus, Napoli and Lazio.

And, these Premfaces accuse others of bias. LOL

wigglesworth wrote:i EPL has trashed the Serie A teams as far as I remember

Let's not let facts get in the way. Overall England versus Italy through 2010

Played Italy win Draw England Win
In Italy: 95 52 30 13
In England: 92 17 19 56

Recent Results:

29/09/09 Fiorentina-Liverpool 2-0
09/12/09 Liverpool-Fiorentina 1-2
Champions League 16/02/10 Milan-Manchester United 2-3
10/03/10 Manchester United-Milan 4-0
Champions League 24/02/10 Inter-Chelsea 2-1
16/03/10 Chelsea-Inter 0-1
Europa League 22/10/09 Fulham-Roma 1-1
05/11/09 Roma-Fulham 2-1
Europa League 11/03/10 Juventus-Fulham 3-1
18/03/10 Fulham-Juventus 4-1
2010/11 Champions League 20/10/10 Inter-Tottenham H. 4-3
02/11/10 Tottenham H.-Inter 3-1
Champions League 15/02/11 Milan-Tottenham H. 0-1
09/03/11 Tottenham H.-Milan 0-0
Europa League 30/09/10 Manchester City-Juventus 1-1
16/12/10 Juventus-Manchester City 1-1
Europa League 21/10/10 Napoli-Liverpool 0-0
04/11/10 Liverpool-Napoli 3-1

Where is this EPL dominance you Premfaces speak of. Seems pretty even to me. Combine that with the fact that Serie A has won more CLs and Europa/Uefa Leagues.

What's your point Premfaces?

wigglesworth wrote:Premfaces=Bias on Hormones. T

They cannot believe that anyone would dare claim a Serie A team compares to an EPL team. And they accuse me of bias, unbelievable.

wigglesworth wrote:

ali8775 wrote:

wigglesworth wrote:Premfaces=Bias on Hormones. T

They cannot believe that anyone would dare claim a Serie A team compares to an EPL team. And they accuse me of bias, unbelievable.

it's not the EPL fans that accuse you of bias...it's everyone on this *bleep* forum

Really, and Premfaces that claim that EPL teams will destroy any Serie A team, and further claim that Serie A teams when playing against EPL teams will never see the ball, are normal unbiased posters?

wigglesworth wrote:

Sabra1 wrote:Want real embarrasment for Italy? Schalke were battling relegation when they thrashed the Italian champions Inter on their home ground!

Well, German clubs are far superior to Italian clubs, obviously. They must have had far more success in the CL than Italian clubs.

wigglesworth wrote:

mr-r34 wrote:You don't need to be a premface to understand the BPL > Serie A, face it wiggles you are the premface of the Serie A, Are you that deluded that you can't even see this?

Well, if the BPL is so much better than the Serie A, why haven't BPL teams won anything in Europe lately? Just wondering. Bad luck?

wigglesworth wrote:

B-Mac MUFC wrote:

wigglesworth wrote:

mr-r34 wrote:You don't need to be a premface to understand the BPL > Serie A, face it wiggles you are the premface of the Serie A, Are you that deluded that you can't even see this?

Well, if the BPL is so much better than the Serie A, why haven't BPL teams won anything in Europe lately? Just wondering. Bad luck?

im sorry who has made the finals 3 of the past 4 years?....winning 1 not to mention the countless semi finals appearances by English teams....both Milan teams (including the Serie A champion) were handled by a 5th place Tottenham team

on then there is Fulhams run to the finals of Europa league

Hmmm, the last Premface said that finals presences do not mean anything now you say that semifinal presences are very important and an indication of greatness. Who to believe?


In any case these are the finals statistics for the CL (if the teams were in the finals, they had to be in the semifinals, no.

Nation↓ Winners↓ Runners-up↓
Spain 13 9
Italy 12 14
England 11 7

Don't know but it looks to me that England is a bit back in the statistics, but then what are statistics. The EPL is the greatest anyway.

wigglesworth wrote:

cyberman wrote:course we do
Serie A already lost a spot and theres a very real chance only 1 team will make it past the groups
Spain? Least said about their 3rd / 4th places teams impact on the CL the better
Cry, bitch, moan and complain, but the simple fact is the EPL has more CL quality teams than Spain and Italy put together

Prem-envy is such an ugly affliction

It's a damn shame that with all that quality in the EPL the last four Champions Leagues have been won by La Liga and Serie A teams.

There also should be an investigation, there is no way that with all that quality there was no EPL team in the semis in 2010. There was a lot of cheating by the Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga and Ligue 1 teams that made the semis probably.

wigglesworth wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:Overall, despite some bizzare statements Tott>Milan etc, have to go with EPL fans here. Italy is in crisis, Spain is in stagnation, Germany does not have enough attraction and fanbase worldwide.

But, still 4 CL spots is enough

No, the Champions League should just admit 16 EPL teams and keep it a 16 team competition. There is so much quality in the EPL, allowing other leagues in is criminal.