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Post by Khaled Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:09 pm

Who has better chances @ Euro 2012?
Which team has better future?

I would like to know your opinions..
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Post by JAY-Z Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:10 pm

TBH, i can see Germany wining the tournament next year, they will have better and more experienced players (from the WC 2010), I would say Germany!
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Post by the xcx Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:11 pm

Germany all the way.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:14 pm

Player like Puyol, Capdevilla, Villa and Xavi won't be at their best anymore, but Spain have enough talent to replace these players like Cesc, Silva, Mata etc..
Ramos will fill in for Puyol with Arbeloa going RB.

I still think Spain will be the best with Germany runners up.
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Post by Mamad Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:19 pm

There is no doubt that Germany have talent. but spains stars are just bigger.

imo Germany is a very good team but spain is number 1 atm. and they will be favourite to win Euro 2012.
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Post by barca 2011 Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:41 pm

Tbh, Spain should look pretty similar to the way they do now. It is afterall only a year away and if they can stay healthy Spain should be cool for 2012. It may come down to Spain/Germany but Spain has got their number.
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Post by Khaled Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:12 pm

I'm asking this Question cuz i keep hearing that Germany is FUTURE etc.. & they will win Euro 2012 & WC 2014 ( more experienced than WC 2010..) but what people forget that Spain has both Experience & talent ( promising & proven players)..while German Players who are also very talented not talented/experience as Spanish Team..

i'm not denying that Germany has the talent & great ones ( ozil,neuer,goetze,muller, hummels etc.. & they still have gomez,lahm & schwein)..

But, If we u take a look @ Spain Nt players..

Casillas (30, as GK he can ply for 6 years @ least)
Subs Valdes/Reina & they have Dea Gea (21) for the Future!

Pique (24), Ramos (24), Busq (22), Iniesta (27), Silva (25), Pedro (23),Mata (22)...

So if we look @ current Spain NT.. its still young..

So Spain should find a gd replacement for puyol.. cuz imo Xavi can keep playing for WC 2014 ( @ this level)

Casillas

Arbeloa - Ramos - Pique - Jose Enrique

Xavi/Cesc/Borja - Busq/Javi M/Alonso - Iniesta/Cazrola

Silva/Navas - Villa/Torres/Negredo - Pedro/Mata


Upfront: Villa/Torres/Negredo/Soldado alot of great players..
& has very promising talents for future like:
Morata/Paco/Bojan/Munian

Wingers: Deulofeu/Jese etc..
Other Players like: Thiago/Isco/Sergi Roberto/Sarabia etc..

Defence: might be the problem in WC 2014.. cuz Puyol will retire after Euro 2012..
But Ramos cab play CB with Arbeloa RB until players of Youth teams get ready to play CB for NT..
- Spain U-21: Dominguez/Botia/.. etc..
- Spain U-20/ U-19: Bartra/Muniesa/Gomez etc..

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Imo, Spain can win Euro 2012, perform well in WC 2014!
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Post by Khaled Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:18 pm

btw Speaking about youth, do u know that:

Spin will play in Euro U-21 from 11 until 25 June ( Olympic games London 2012) while Germany didn't even qualify for Euro U-21..

Do u know that Spain will be playing in Euro U-19 from 20 July until 1 August while Germany couldn't qualify..

Do u know that Spain will play in WC U-20 from 30 July until 20 August, while Germany couldn't qualify!!
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Post by rwo power Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:51 pm

Well, I think Germany and Spain's chances to win are pretty equal. Anyway, we probably have to pass the Netherlands (EC) or Netherlands and Brazil (WC) if we want to get to the final, which we shouldn't take for granted either Very Happy
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Post by The Messiah Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:13 pm

I want Germany to win it but Spain are Favorite.

Netherlands, England, France and Italy can surprise us, although the first is more likely to.
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Post by Khaled Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:26 pm

Idrisozet wrote:I want Germany to win it but Spain are Favorite.

Netherlands, England, France and Italy can surprise us, although the first is more likely to.

IMO Its:

1- Spain
2- Germany/Holland ( i really want to see a match between these too teams) Hlland defence is not that gd.. but they have players like ROBBEN & RVP upfront with Sneijder & Afellay etc.. so would be great match to watch..

btw what is your best defence for Germany!

Lahm - Hummels - Howdes - Schmulzer??

Or Mertesacker/ Friedrich Or combination of both?

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Italy & France can make a surprise u never no:P
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Post by I-no Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:40 pm

germany is stornger. spain was lucky muller and khedira were injured. italy is stronger , too. they just need time. germany and italy for 2012.
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Post by rwo power Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:55 pm

Khaledbarca wrote:
btw what is your best defence for Germany!
Lahm - Hummels - Howdes - Schmulzer??
Yeah, Lahm - Hummels - Höwedes - Schmelzer sounds good to me. I just hope Löw will give them sufficient time to gel together, then they can be really good.

And true, one should never count out Italy. If there is another Germany - Italy match up in the EC, things will get really interesting. (We have to defeat them for once in a competitive match, FFS!)
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Post by Red Alert Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:58 pm

Depends if Fowler plays. Only way Germany will win. Laughing
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Post by Blue Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:59 pm

I don't think Italy is any good atm.

Maybe they will have a better team 3-4 years down the road.
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Post by rwo power Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:00 am

Well, for some reason it is irrelevant how good or bad either Italy or Germany is - those drat Italians just manage to scrape by somehow. We really have to change that - and soon! Razz
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Post by I-no Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:04 am

rwo power wrote:Well, for some reason it is irrelevant how good or bad either Italy or Germany is - those drat Italians just manage to scrape by somehow. We really have to change that - and soon! Razz
if italy meets germany, arrivederci germania, hahahahaha
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Post by Sushi Master Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:04 am

Spain still has a great team, but their new "stars" are no where near the level of their older ones, in my opinion. Once Xavi and Puyol retire they will have problems.

So it's Germany for me, if they get their act together.
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Post by Blue Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:12 am

rwo power wrote:Well, for some reason it is irrelevant how good or bad either Italy or Germany is - those drat Italians just manage to scrape by somehow. We really have to change that - and soon! Razz

Just not impressed with Italy talents atm, i expect an early exit from the Italians.

I expect great things from Germany in 2012.
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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:15 am

The thing is, without Xavi and Puyol, maybe Iniesta, Germany even has the bigger stars, unusual as it sounds.

I think in 2012 Spain will probably still be favorites, but I tend to call it 50/50 already. After that, Spain have GREAT new players, like Mata, Cesc etc. and they're really really good, even world class.
It's just, they're not better than Özil, Götze, Müller etc. - while Xaviesta arguably was better than Schwein - Trochowski. Let's not forget Germany were missing the Golden Boot winner.

Not that Germany would've won with Müller, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "we deserved to win ZOMG" morons, Germany played badly and Spain deserved the win (though Spain didn't deserve to be in the Semis - but that's another story :p ) - in 2012 I just expect the quality difference in midfield between Germany and Spain to have evaporated.

Germany will probably be almost as good at keeping possession, maybe a bit worse than Spain at that, but they'll be a tiny bit more dangerous when they have possession.

50/50.

Germanys main weakness in 2010 was the (still ok) defence, with the new batch of defenders, that problem is pretty much gone. Now all we have to do is NOT take Trochowski, or any other dead weight players, and we'll be golden. :p


Edit & PS: Didn't we beat Italy at the Euros already? I think the Italy jinx only counts for WC matches, or am I wrong?
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Post by Serge Gnabry Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:29 am

Spain.

They have Iniesta, Xavi, Pique, Casillas and a top-forward in Villa.
Very evenly distributed talent.

And while Germany has nice talent coming up, pretty much all of them are mid fielders and you can only play so many.

Also looks like Spain has fantastic talent coming up for the future as well.
Isco was probably the best player in the U19 qualification.
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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:31 am

Is Villa on current form better than Godmez on current form, though?
Is Pique better than Hummels? Xaviesta than Schwözil? I'm not that convinced anymore with Xaviesta gettnig older, and Casillas v Neuer isn't really the point any Spaniard or German will be worried about. Both great 'keepers.

I'm just not convinced the gap that was obvious in 08 is still there.
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Post by rwo power Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:57 am

I-no wrote:if italy meets germany, arrivederci germania, hahahahaha
Just you wait, we'll get you eventually! Twisted Evil
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Post by The Madrid One Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:04 am

spain will always be fave but

i see neur with euro trophy

and us with next world cup
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Post by Sushi Master Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:07 am

Next WC will have an American champion, no doubt about that.

If not, then Germany.
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