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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:59 am

Well, best attacking player, there is certainly argument for that. Here is table of statistics of Top 15 goal scorers of UCL-era:

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Is Messi already best player of UCL-era? Di-65WV

Only players for me who are in the same ballpark, statistic wise, are Shevchenko, RvN and Raul.

- Shevchenko
Has more goals overall, and almost equal amount of goals in knockout stages. But loses in goals ratio, individual and club awards. IMO advantage Messi.

- RvN
Has more goals overall and better goal ratio. But has only 6 goals in knockout stages and no club title. IMO advantage Messi.

- Raul
Has more goals overall, but with inferior ratio. Also has one individual awards less. Others are equal. Can't really decide so I will call it draw.

So for me it's between Messi and Raul, for now. Could change already after next year.

What do you think?


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Post by Jack Daniels Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:05 am

Well atm it's hard to decide. But if Messi continues his' unbelievable goalscoring form then surely he would surpass everyone above him in that list.

Well in the titles category he already has the highest tally.
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Post by the xcx Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:05 am

Oh dear, another Messi related thread :/
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Post by EarlyPrototype Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:06 am

Many of those players would do better in this Barca team.

Edit: better than themselves.


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Post by guest7 Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:06 am

He is topping everywhere, he has a good ratio in the El Clasicos, in La Liga etc.

I think only one matching his goal ratio was R9. So yes.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:08 am

Best goalscorer undoubtedly. Wink

He is the best player, but for totally unrelated reasons to mere goals to game ratios Smile
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:10 am

The xcx wrote:Oh dear, another Messi related thread :/
There's not a single other Messi thread in the first page of the general section, so of the 50 most recent threads only 1 has been about Messi. Go troll elsewhere Wink
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:12 am

The xcx wrote:Oh dear, another Messi related thread :/

Banned.
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Post by BeautifulGame Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:19 am

Zidane.The best of this generation IMO.

Unless i am mistaken and this thread is solely about who is the best player in CL.Then yes he is best attacking player in CL since it was started.Maldini will have a claim for best player IMO.
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Post by The BoyWonder Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:07 am

jiopsi stp scking messi's midget dck so mch...

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Post by The BoyWonder Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:08 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
The xcx wrote:Oh dear, another Messi related thread :/
There's not a single other Messi thread in the first page of the general section, so of the 50 most recent threads only 1 has been about Messi. Go troll elsewhere Wink

i thought every fckin thread was about messi (or atleast someone manages to mention his name in it)...

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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:18 am

BeautifulGame wrote:Zidane.The best of this generation IMO.

Unless i am mistaken and this thread is solely about who is the best player in CL.Then yes he is best attacking player in CL since it was started.Maldini will have a claim for best player IMO.
Yes strictly UCL. Btw numbers for Zidane if you want to know, which are good for middfielder I think:

Zidane: age 39 goals 14 knockout 8 ratio 0,17 titles ind. 0 titles champ 1 titles overall 1.
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Post by free_cat Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:32 am

This forum is on the downhill very fast. How can this OP neg repped? Ridiculous.

Messi is the best attacker since the CL era started.
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Post by Doc Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:44 am

Once he continues his impeccable form, I don't see any faults in labeling him as such. Sure makes more sense than the "Greatest ever" nonsense that was being spewed.

Whether he is considered now is subject to subjectivity but I think he'll break Raul's record. I really think it's very much possible...
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Post by BeautifulGame Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:45 am

jiopsi wrote:
BeautifulGame wrote:Zidane.The best of this generation IMO.

Unless i am mistaken and this thread is solely about who is the best player in CL.Then yes he is best attacking player in CL since it was started.Maldini will have a claim for best player IMO.
Yes strictly UCL. Btw numbers for Zidane if you want to know, which are good for middfielder I think:

Zidane: age 39 goals 14 knockout 8 ratio 0,17 titles ind. 0 titles champ 1 titles overall 1.

Fair enough its only about CL Messi is not only the best attacking player since CL started but will also comfortably become the best player in CL era in not too distant future usurping Maldini who i personally think is the best player in CL era IMO.

Well unless Podolski decides to show who is the BOSS. Twisted Evil
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Post by Doc Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 am

free_cat wrote:This forum is on the downhill very fast. How can this OP neg repped? Ridiculous.

Messi is the best attacker since the CL era started.

I'm not sure if it's the topic he got negged for or him personally but the forum is doing fine. Maybe some people shouldn't be sensitive and relax a bit...
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Post by paperbackwriter Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:18 am

Seedorf, 4 titles, 3 different teams. Best midfielder 2 times.
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Post by Harmonica Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:24 am

paperbackwriter wrote:Seedorf, 4 titles, 3 different teams. Best midfielder 2 times.
Only one time best midfielder.

UEFA positional awards 97~: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Club_Football_Awards#Best_Midfielder
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:49 pm

The BoyWonder wrote:jiopsi stp scking messi's midget dck so mch...
You create 15 threads a day about pointless crap, you have no right to tell anyone what to do, don't even post in a thread if you're going to post garbage like this.

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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:50 pm

Doc wrote:
free_cat wrote:This forum is on the downhill very fast. How can this OP neg repped? Ridiculous.

Messi is the best attacker since the CL era started.

I'm not sure if it's the topic he got negged for or him personally but the forum is doing fine. Maybe some people shouldn't be sensitive and relax a bit...
You get neg repped if you bring up anything about Barcelona or anything against Madrid.

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Post by Guest Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:53 pm

Eto'o and Raul imo

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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:57 pm

Is Messi already best player of UCL-era? Ucl_to10

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Post by Freeza Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:03 pm

Ruud was amazing in his United days, also Raul and Seedorf have been great. But yeah Messi is already one of the best so far, but i would still like to see him in another team or Barca with different players and style
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Post by Doc Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:04 pm

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free_cat wrote:This forum is on the downhill very fast. How can this OP neg repped? Ridiculous.

Messi is the best attacker since the CL era started.

I'm not sure if it's the topic he got negged for or him personally but the forum is doing fine. Maybe some people shouldn't be sensitive and relax a bit...
You get neg repped if you bring up anything about Barcelona or anything against Madrid.

That is a slightly narrow way of looking at it. It's not because one brings up Barca or against Madrid (although there is truth to what you say) but one must take into consideration the men who makes the thread. Jjopsi is a troll and quite possibly a good one. He has said several outlandish things about Madrid players that may not be considered pleasant so whatever he makes in the future would probably be deemed "troll" even though this thread certainly isn't.

Anyway, the forum is fine. Posters need to be less sensitive about matters...
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:05 pm

Doc wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:
Doc wrote:
free_cat wrote:This forum is on the downhill very fast. How can this OP neg repped? Ridiculous.

Messi is the best attacker since the CL era started.

I'm not sure if it's the topic he got negged for or him personally but the forum is doing fine. Maybe some people shouldn't be sensitive and relax a bit...
You get neg repped if you bring up anything about Barcelona or anything against Madrid.

That is a slightly narrow way of looking at it. It's not because one brings up Barca or against Madrid (although there is truth to what you say) but one must take into consideration the men who makes the thread. Jjopsi is a troll and quite possibly a good one. He has said several outlandish things about Madrid players that may not be considered pleasant so whatever he makes in the future would probably be deemed "troll" even though this thread certainly isn't.

Anyway, the forum is fine. Posters need to be less sensitive about matters...
Good point, but I believe there was an actual discussion to be had here and maybe people were to quick to assume it was troll thread.

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