Re: Is Messi already best player of UCL-era?

by Guest Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:09 pm

Maldini imo

by Sushi Master Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:09 pm

Messi... Sure, you could already consider him a CL legend. Long term I see him as the best ever, pretty much.

I wouldn't rank players just by goals scored, either. Henry is a much better player than RvN or Shevchenko. So that list is pretty shit to me. Much better players who deserved to be mentioned than the guys there.

by Lord Awesome Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:11 pm

I just noticed everyone's a forward in that list.

I hate it when they do that.

by Harmonica Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:16 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:I just noticed everyone's a forward in that list.

I hate it when they do that.

Well it's list of the 15 best goal scorers, so it's pretty much about forwards.

by Sushi Master Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:17 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:I just noticed everyone's a forward in that list.

I hate it when they do that.

Sorry, Maldini defended and Zidane only passed, they don't deserve a spot.

Oh and horseface never won a CL, but he does.

I know it's topscorer, but they should include assists, too, at least.

by Moffo Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:19 pm

Kevacious wrote:
Kevacious wrote:I know I am going to get 1000000 negative votes for what I am going to say, but I don't care.

Barcelona is more of a champions team than a team of champions. The team's strength as a whole is vastly superior to the sum of the strengths of each individual component. The players in this team have been raised in the same city, same academy and with the same people for many, many years.

Due to Barcelona's obvious recent success, it is tempting for people to think that Xavi is the best CM of all time, Messi is the greatest attacker of all time, Alves is the best right back of all time etc.

That form of thinking, IMO, is relatively simplistic. As I said previously, the sum of the strength of the players in Barcelona is vastly inferior to the team's strength overall, which means that it is easy for people to overestimate the individual strengths.

The ultimate point for this post is to suggest that by saying Messi is the best player in the UCL era, people are not doing justice to the Barcelona squad. If Barcelona is a team carried by Messi, I will quickly retract my statements. But since I believe (and I hope most people believe) that this is not the reality, Messi should not be deemed the best player of the UCL era. Why should Messi be regarded as the best while Xavi shouldn't? Why shouldn't Iniesta be regarded as the best?

That's why Messi must be extremely successful at another club in order to firmly cement his place as the best player in the UCL era.

Haha, my prediction stands correct. It seems some fanbois like Messi more than Barcelona/ Argentina. Whatever happened to football being a team sport? It's not like I'm attacking Barcelona.... In fact, I'm pretty sure when I said "champions team", I'm praising them.

Anyway, let's see how many neg reps I can get .

Do you understand how little sense your argument makes? I can't understand for the life off me how a post containing nothing can be so long...

Messi is the best player in the world hence he plays in the best team, this *bleep* retarded argument that the barca 'system' makes him the player he is, is quite frankly ridiculous.

by jibers Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:19 pm

Messi is one of the best, bu there is no objective of deciding it. He is the 2nd best player I have ever seen, that'll do for now. Two more season like the one he had last season and he'll be number 1 in terms of club performances.

by Lord Awesome Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:22 pm

jiopsi wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:I just noticed everyone's a forward in that list.

I hate it when they do that.
Well it's list of the 15 best goal scorers, so it's pretty much about forwards.

I stand corrected.

by zizzle Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:24 pm

by Lord Awesome Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:26 pm

by nichabr Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:36 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Messi... Sure, you could already consider him a CL legend. Long term I see him as the best ever, pretty much.

I wouldn't rank players just by goals scored, either. Henry is a much better player than RvN or Shevchenko. So that list is pretty shit to me. Much better players who deserved to be mentioned than the guys there.

are you serious? wow its amazing how much you rate henry compared to them...much better my ass....rvn is one of the best strikers the world has ever seen along with shevchenko...insulting that you can say henry is much better than these two when both have better stats and were much more devastating in their primes...

on topic...messi is on his way to being the greatest player ever if he wins a WC or not it doesnt matter....hes better than alot of players that people consider greats...

by izzy Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:38 pm

nichabr wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:Messi... Sure, you could already consider him a CL legend. Long term I see him as the best ever, pretty much.

I wouldn't rank players just by goals scored, either. Henry is a much better player than RvN or Shevchenko. So that list is pretty shit to me. Much better players who deserved to be mentioned than the guys there.

are you serious? wow its amazing how much you rate henry compared to them...much better my ass....rvn is one of the best strikers the world has ever seen along with shevchenko...insulting that you can say henry is much better than these two when both have better stats and were much more devastating in their primes...

on topic...messi is on his way to being the greatest player ever if he wins a WC or not it doesnt matter....hes better than alot of players that people consider greats...

I love RVN and Scheva but They are NOT better than Henry.

by nichabr Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:42 pm

izzy26 wrote:
nichabr wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:Messi... Sure, you could already consider him a CL legend. Long term I see him as the best ever, pretty much.

I wouldn't rank players just by goals scored, either. Henry is a much better player than RvN or Shevchenko. So that list is pretty shit to me. Much better players who deserved to be mentioned than the guys there.

are you serious? wow its amazing how much you rate henry compared to them...much better my ass....rvn is one of the best strikers the world has ever seen along with shevchenko...insulting that you can say henry is much better than these two when both have better stats and were much more devastating in their primes...

on topic...messi is on his way to being the greatest player ever if he wins a WC or not it doesnt matter....hes better than alot of players that people consider greats...

I love RVN and Scheva but They are NOT better than Henry.

same as henry is not MUCH better as sushi claimed....

by Sushi Master Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:42 pm

Ok, I might have exagerrated, RVN and Sheva are great players, but Henry is on another caliber for me. Sorry, but stats aren't everything, apart that Henry made a living off the left flank and not as a 9 like Sheva and RVN.

Henry is just a complete player.

by pUsHa Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:58 pm

Sushi Master wrote:
Henry is just a complete player.

Ans so is Sheva ... Rolling Eyes

by Sushi Master Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:07 pm

pUsHa wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Henry is just a complete player.

Ans so is Sheva ...

Yeah, he's good, too. But he's been a shadow since 2006.

by pUsHa Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:13 pm

Sushi Master wrote:
pUsHa wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Henry is just a complete player.

Ans so is Sheva ...
Yeah, he's good, too. But he's been a shadow since 2006.

Henry wasnt a great player in juventus was he ? There is a difference when the coach wants or doesnt a certain player . At the very least Sheva is still in Europe banging goals in EL and improving his overral European competition goals Laughing

by Sushi Master Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:17 pm

pUsHa wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
pUsHa wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Henry is just a complete player.

Ans so is Sheva ...
Yeah, he's good, too. But he's been a shadow since 2006.

Henry wasnt a great player in juventus was he ? There is a difference when the coach wants or doesnt a certain player . At the very least Sheva is still in Europe banging goals in EL and improving his overral European competition goals

Henry only spent 1 year at Juventus. While Sheva was in decline he was winning the CL with Barcelona :coffee:

. Henry could still be in Europe, you know. But he's in the States because it was a lifelong dream of his to live there. Plus he's still owning, as well.

I'm going to drop this because they're both great players and we're never gonna back down, it'll just be a pissing contest (Henry would probably win that, too Very Happy

).

by Lord Hades Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:20 am

he is the best now but i would take raul or etoo overall simply because youre asking about the whole era so messi has to stick around assuming in his late 20s and 30s he still retains his attributes and scores more than raul etc then he ll be the best..