Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 3

[LeVersacci]

The entire world will never get the Covid vaccine. Not now not ever. Best put these foolish ambitions to rest and look for a realistic goal.

You're also ignoring animals sharing pathogens with humans unless you plan to vaccinate them all aswell?

Prehaps treat covid with how we treat the flu with yearly vaccinaction.

[Myesyats]

BTW only 35% of Ukrainians were vaccinated on day of invasion and 5.5 million refugees have fled so far.

At the height of the pandemic Lukashenko urged his people to drink vodka to prevent covid in neighboring Belarus.

There's always people and even governments that are stupid/poor, dont care or dont give a flying fuck, or purposefully try to swim against the current.

[BarcaLearning]

LeV said it... the world arent gonna get vaxed, ever... its just impossible... not unless it becomes dirt cheap n accessible n everyone including the West actually bothers to give the poor for free

[BarrileteCosmico]

The entire world will never get the Covid vaccine. Not now not ever. Best put these foolish ambitions to rest and look for a realistic goal.

You're also ignoring animals sharing pathogens with humans unless you plan to vaccinate them all aswell?

Prehaps treat covid with how we treat the flu with yearly vaccinaction.

I didn't ignore it. The pan-sarbecovirus vaccine I mentioned will be applicable to all coronaviruses, even future ones that come from animals.

And I think a lot of countries would have a lot higher vaccination rates, if they were given access to highly regarded vaccines instead of russian and chinese ones that have dubious reputations.

LeV said it... the world arent gonna get vaxed, ever... its just impossible... not unless it becomes dirt cheap n accessible n everyone including the West actually bothers to give the poor for free

Well, yes, that's exactly what I'm arguing for.

[El Gunner]

a 80 000+ Pfizer document dropped containing damning information on how rushed and improper the vaccine process was, but of course no news channels are presenting it... apparently one of the unreported findings is that they knew the vaccine was only 12% effective and not the reported 95%

https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/

https://insidescooppolitics.com/2022/05/03/pfizer-documents-reveal-the-ugly-truth-about-vaccine-efficacy/

[Myesyats]

but of course no news channels are presenting it...

No one is presenting it because it's untrue and not nearly as alarming as dubious anti-vax sources make it seem.  

BTW it is proven that 90% of anti-vax social media accounts which popped up during Covid are actively involved in spreading pro-russian propaganda during the war, no surprise there, shit unproven sources are most likely russian bots trying to destabilize the West. There's so many of them on twitter you can hardly get through to the real user comments.

[LeVersacci]

a 80 000+ Pfizer document dropped containing damning information on how rushed and improper the vaccine process was, but of course no news channels are presenting it... apparently one of the unreported findings is that they knew the vaccine was only 12% effective and not the reported 95%

https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/

https://insidescooppolitics.com/2022/05/03/pfizer-documents-reveal-the-ugly-truth-about-vaccine-efficacy/

[El Gunner]

but of course no news channels are presenting it...

No one is presenting it because it's untrue and not nearly as alarming as dubious anti-vax sources make it seem.  

BTW it is proven that 90% of anti-vax social media accounts which popped up during Covid are actively involved in spreading pro-russian propaganda during the war, no surprise there, shit unproven sources are most likely russian bots trying to destabilize the West. There's so many of them on twitter you can hardly get through to the real user comments.

where are you proofs for this?

[BarcaLearning]

Question for u guys, most countries now have majority of their pop. infected already right (as in more than half at least n knowing real numbers are more than official numbers)? Mainly by Omicron?

So then is your country's government still making vax mandatory or recommended? If so, why? My understanding is if ur infected doesnt that give u immunity for a few months at least already?

[Myesyats]

but of course no news channels are presenting it...

No one is presenting it because it's untrue and not nearly as alarming as dubious anti-vax sources make it seem.  

BTW it is proven that 90% of anti-vax social media accounts which popped up during Covid are actively involved in spreading pro-russian propaganda during the war, no surprise there, shit unproven sources are most likely russian bots trying to destabilize the West. There's so many of them on twitter you can hardly get through to the real user comments.

where are you proofs for this?

A polish research institute (IBIMS) did the ground work on this: https://www.polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/swiat/2156935,1,trolle-zmieniaja-front-antyszczepionkowcy-sieja-propagande-kremla.read

I dont have a source in english since, well, it's a polish institute.

Basically they followed and researched 545 twitter accounts, 2k facebook accounts,  and 4 youtube channels. Within these they found 4500 pro-war-russian posts and 90% of these accounts spread anti-vax propaganda before.

There's entire books about russian troll farms bro and how they manipulate western public opinion with it.


Same fucking bots spread anti-abortion and anti-gay propaganda depending on what the russians want to mess with in western politics.

[El Gunner]

how were those 545 accounts selected? if an account seems fishy and like a bot, then of course you will find what you looking for...

however, 545 bot accounts do not account for the millions of real people who were vax-skeptics as soon as Covid and the entire political spectacle around it started.

[Myesyats]

Why are "real people" vax-skeptics? Because they read bot posts on social media that people are collapsing in the street after taking the vaccine. Fucking simple mate.

[El Gunner]

not sure whether that's a troll post or not because surely you can't be that stupid

[Myesyats]

Surely you don't think vax-skeptics are having out-of-body experiences or thought-experiments a la Einstein and coming up with medical theorems after hours-long meditation on the implications of the laws of physics and biology. Eventually it comes down to the source from which you consume your information and whether it's credible.

[LeVersacci]

Yesterday missinformation turned into fact.

US restricts use of Johnson & Johnson vaccine over blood clot risk
https://t.co/RUANo88cMq

— Tim Pool (@Timcast) May 5, 2022

Safe & Effective

[Myesyats]

The link between J&J and blood clots was already reported a year ago (probably even earlier too) by mainstream media lol (found an article in BBC from 13/04/21 Johnson & Johnson vaccine paused over rare blood clots)

J&J rollout was stopped temporarily then in some places, and totally in stopped in Poland, cant speak for other places. I thought J&J was recalled completely as it was in PL but this wasnt hidden from the public or anything

[LeVersacci]

Damn. We really about to go from Covid to war to Monkeypox.

This fall will be fun.

[BarrileteCosmico]

It doesn't seem too concerning. Low transmissability. There's already a vaccine for it. People vaccinated for smallpox might already enjoy some protection.

[El Gunner]

Damn. We really about to go from Covid to war to Monkeypox.

This fall will be fun.

i see what you did there with that strikethrough lol

[BarcaLearning]

About 5 months has passed n wanted to keep update so here goes Im still stuck in the eternal nightmare while the world has basically moved on so pls understand for any dumb questions still More specifically about vax n long covid.

Vax - from what I gathered most countries are relaxing their vax passports n requirements if they enforced it b4, is that true to say?

But at the same time, they kept lowering the age eligible for vax to now basically all age can get it apart from if ur a baby? Which is freightening becos I am seeing more n more reports that ppl getting serious or long term side effects from vax, especially heart issues in teens? Now the main stream media obvious dont report these at all n still keeps on saying side effects are very rare n non durable n minor, etc.

Also, the vax are outdated relative to Omicron n largely ineffective to it apart from lowering the seriousness once u get it which most ppl has now worldwide?

A bit update on where I am- firstly, for some strange reason despite being the most strict in zero covid policy basically in the world still where they force so much shit on us, but they dont force us to get the vax, nobody knows why whether its they know its unsafe themselves (although the vax not even mRNA) or they know there will be many resisting taking or whatever reason, nobody knows really... which is lucky since I just dont believe in vax simply cos they made them in such a short time. Secondly just wanted to point out recently, after the last months of Omicron getting into the country, more n more ppl have personally experienced the lock downs n shit as a result, A LOT more ppl are switching their views n not support the policy anymore, whereas in the past they did, in fact many are really critical now of the policies, which is a huge change compared to b4. Just goes to show ppl here (or I guess its just all human's nature) wont believe or care about something until they experienced it first hand themselves And hence, even more ppl wont be getting any vax.

Long covid - Whats ppl's knowledge of long covid now? Just how common it is? Does it mostly happen to the ppl with underlying problems n more unhealthy ppl or its more random? I have been hearing more n more about, that its way more common n long term n serious than previous thought? Although little first hand becos we still are relatively little infected here

Hope to see u sharing any thoughts, thanks in advance for any info

[BarcaLearning]

I guess the world doesnt wanna talk about Covid anymore? Its all over for u guys?

[Myesyats]

Yeah basically over. The news barely mention it anymore and it is them who stir up most of the drama/panic

[BarcaLearning]

Finally a reply Do u know if there r so major countries with vaccine mandates still? And like do any ppl u know have Long Covid? Most of them got infected right?

[futbol_bill]

Just want to explain a bit about vaccinations. My son is a pharmaceutical executive for a small Japanese company. There has been a breakthru in recent years which allows them to extract RNa to have a more targetted drug and thus better results and much quicker development. Besides being used for covid vaccination, this technology is being used for annual flu shots, immunotherapy (which I am now taking), new drugs for treating dementia plus other illnesses that previously were thought to be untreatable.

If you remember, at the start of Covid, they thought it would be years before they could come up with a vaccine!

As to the vaccine becoming ineffective, that’s not really true. It is correct that they have a diminished effect, which is due to the evolvement of covid. At least the lower effect generally prevents serious illness and there now are drugs available for those in need. The RNA vaccine can quickly adjust by taking to Rna from omicron, however there are currently versions 1, 2, 3 and 4 of Omicron which has resulted in 2 vaccines, one for Omicorn 1 and 2, the other for 3 and 4. Eventually, they will come up with an annual dose just like the flu shot. Actually Moderna is working on an annual dose that will treat latest covid and latest flu, resulting in one shot for both.

[BarcaLearning]

Thx for the info... yep understand mRNA n how it can lead to vax being developed faster being more flexible for variants. Although Im just concerned about the side effects some ppl are getting afterwards which seems increasing as time passes? Although main stream media dont seem to report at them of cos... so hard to know. The fact that the Pzifer taking 70 yrs to disclose the side effects during trials was just too much to take?

What about mandates? Ppl are free to choose these new variant vax or not? Most ppl are not choosing to get them nowadays right? I guess it will be similar to flu vax, only those who want to n are used to getting them will get them... no idea how much % it is though.

[futbol_bill]

Every drug has possible side effects. It’s important to note most side effects can be managed. It’s also smart to know how prominent the side effects are. For instance, with my immunotherapy, there are lots of side effects,  but the severe ones are around 1%, and the highest percentage is around 15%. Any drug or medical procedure for that matter is always a risk based decision. That’s why you should seek medical advice before making decisions.

As to mandates, I believe they are basically gone as the current form of covid is no different than flu in terms of deaths.

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