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Post by Kaladin on Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:42 am

Gasperini will most likely be Juve's next coach

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Post by El Gunner on Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:34 am

well that ref had a mare last night hey
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Post by Warrior on Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:40 am

You would tell me last year we'd hire Gasperini, fair enough. Now after this bland season under Sarri i fear another provinciale downward spiral. Same as Sarri it's not about lacking the coaching skills it's about being out of his depth (maybe) and i would not take the risk anymore

Next season is very important, i think Allegri is the safest choice

We also need 2 midfielders, but that's another topic
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Post by S on Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:04 am

@Warrior wrote:You would tell me last year we'd hire Gasperini, fair enough. Now after this bland season under Sarri i fear another provinciale downward spiral. Same as Sarri it's not about lacking the coaching skills it's about being out of his depth (maybe) and i would not take the risk anymore

Next season is very important, i think Allegri is the safest choice

We also need 2 midfielders, but that's another topic


Yep. Gasperini would be another Sarri 2.0 here.

It's one thing to succeed at Atalanta with no expectations, it's a completely different thing when you're expected to win the league as a bare minimum at Juventus. And as opposed to the free flowing football at Atalanta, we'd inevitably see Gasperini shift to a more pragmatic style considering the limitations of the squad. It's going to be the halfway shit all over again when the coach is unable to implement his way of playing due to various factors.

I'm just tired of these mid-tier Italian coaches who've done jackshit in their career and all of a sudden are entrusted upon the task of winning big trophies. And there's no point of hiring a coach who has a certain way of playing if you are not completely backing him in the market which is exactly what's happening here.
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Post by Warrior on Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:06 am

I have 2 concerns if we re-hire Allegri

- he enter every match against a decent opponent expecting they will play the best match of their lives, so we are a bit rigid until he makes in-game tactical changes

- his evaluation of midfielders at disposal was not optimal the last few years

After one year without job an overthinker like him surely has identified the same problems. And ultimately who really cares if we don't have attractive tiki taka football as identity. Juve's DNA is a seven headed dragon, solid defense, hard work, play with confidence. Allegri brings that to the table, him or whoever else does the same i'd consider them

Also Italjuve is a nice concept for the aesthetics of the club, it should concern the players not the coach who is just one person. Being italian should not be sine qua non condition
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Post by rincon on Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:51 am

Yes, that's why I wrote Gasperini as most exciting, but not the best fit. As he also requires to back him fully like I've been saying with Sarri. Better not to do things halfway.

The answer should be Inzaghi.

Lazio generally has no business playing this well, and most importantly, playing against his Lazio is an absolute pain.

Every season the matches against him consist of our play getting dismantled and a super tense game follows. He beat us twice in the supercup so far.

He is similar to Allegri in his management of matches. A good mix of attack and defense, and a more flexible, and winning, approach.
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Post by rincon on Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:55 am

A problem this season is the new schedule. Serie A starts in about 5 weeks. Atalanta is still playing CL. There is basically no preseason, no one will be happy to let their coach go.

Either moves are made immediately, or they arent made at all. Like Cagliari announcing Di Francesco and Torino announcing Giampaolo already.
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Post by Warrior on Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:59 am

You've been hyping him for years, i might jump on this train. We can safely say he is ready for a bigger challenge, the credentials are there, he maintains legitness after the recent squad renewal at Lazio.

His contract expires next year. Otherwise getting Inzaghi or SMS is very difficult. From a Lazio fan perspective i would love Lotito/Tare. Not sure if we can ever do business with them.
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Post by Warrior on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:07 pm

@rincon wrote:A problem this season is the new schedule. Serie A starts in about 5 weeks. Atalanta is still playing CL. There is basically no preseason, no one will be happy to let their coach go.

Either moves are made immediately, or they arent made at all. Like Cagliari announcing Di Francesco and Torino announcing Giampaolo already.


Allegri or Pochettino who's available. Most guys are already familiar with Max, Poch would take a little longer to integrate, but then Sarri has still not done it after 12 months

If by sad miracle we keep Sarri buying Jorginho is the bare minimum. He is what everyone at Juve expected Pjanic to be since 4 years Laughing while in fact he's better as AM or attacking minded mezzala
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:20 pm

Surely what Gasperini is doing with Atalanta is an even greater achievement than what Inzaghi does at Lazio, not meaning to take anything away from that?
Especially in Europe, which is a pretty important thing for Juve?

Anyway, Juve's main problem IMO is a lopsided squad that hs not been taken care of well in recent seasons. Midfield signings are all over the place, I always considered the Ronaldo signing an unforced, idiotic, major blunder and still do. It set the whole project back 3 steps both squad building wise, team coherence and balance wise, and  also, maybe most importantly, spiritually if I may use that word.
Then the whole business with Higuain was ridiculous, as was the Bonnucci affair, as is the Pjanic-Arthur affair.
Generally, getting back your veterans who have already left and then have them displace young players is a bad way to go, and Buffon has no business being in that squad, sorry.

It was not too hard to see that the squad was not well suited for Sarri, but then this happens all the time and he indeed is pragmatic enough (all good managers are ultimately) to adapt to the players he has.

So whether they stick with Sarri or hire someone else, they need to back him with proper, good squad building. Nothing too difficult to do, often a couple of prudent signings suffice, and Kulusevski seems to be one already no?
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Post by Warrior on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:29 pm

Most of what you say about the squad management is spot on

I disagree about Bonucci and Buffon

Also it's been a fun ride with Higuain, i am not even mad

Arthur vs Pjanic how can we win a trade if we give the better player and pay money on top that Laughing

De Ligt, Kulusevski, Demiral are good young players to revamp the squad but only Demiral is the result of cleverness in scouting. The 2 others it was written in the sky we must buy them
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Post by rincon on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:33 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Surely what Gasperini is doing with Atalanta is an even greater achievement than what Inzaghi does at Lazio, not meaning to take anything away from that?
Especially in Europe, which is a pretty important thing for Juve?

Of course it is. Gasperini has been unreasonably good. He has Atalanta in the CL quarterfinals ffs. A team that had never even qualified. The three best Serie A standings ever for Atalanta have been given by Gasperini, 4th, 4rd, and 3rd. Progressively breaking their point and scoring record. 98 goals with this team just in the league.

The detail is that to get this Gasperini you need to properly support him and give him time. His football is extremely high intensity. At least he is a better fit than Sarri since he doesn't require players with the highest level of technique but makes players shine. Midfielders and wing backs under Gasperini always overperform.

I'm on board though, might as well go for the best performer that is also playing the most attractive football in the country.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:39 pm

@rincon wrote:
I'm on board though, might as well go for the best performer that is also playing the most attractive football in the country.

It's actually a no brainer tbh.

But then, as you say, to achieve that needs patience and a bit good investment and squad decisions, which is exactly what you could say Sarri deserves too, and he has proven he can have his team perform consistelntly while playing hugely attractive too
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:41 pm

@rincon wrote:. Midfielders and wing backs under Gasperini always overperform.


Interesting. These are Juve's main problem areas

I honestly don't undestand how you put up with seeing Cuadrado at RB over years and years
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Post by rincon on Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:57 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@rincon wrote:. Midfielders and wing backs under Gasperini always overperform.


Interesting. These are Juve's main problem areas

I honestly don't undestand how you put up with seeing Cuadrado at RB over years and years

Well we don't hmm this is the first season that Cuadrado has been a RB. For years we had Litchsteiner. Then we had Dani Alves/Licht. Then De Sciglio. Then Cancelo/De Sciglio. Now Cuadrado.

Cuadrado has been very good as RB. Quite clearly our best fullback this season. Leftback is more an area that needs quicker improvement.

Gasperini has made an array of mids (Gagliardini, Kessie, Cristante, De Roon, Pasalic, etc.) and wingbacks (Conti, Spinazzola, Gosens, Hateboer, Castagne, etc.) look much better than their real level.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:04 pm

right, thanks, I just seem to remember Cuadrado also playing right wing back at times under Allegri?

nvm I remembered wrong I guess


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Post by Robespierre on Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:05 pm

Juve have sacked Sarri.
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Post by Myesyats on Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:18 pm

LMAO got eliminated even with CR in goat mode. Juve Proud
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Post by Doc on Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:10 am

@Myesyats wrote:LMAO got eliminated even with CR in goat mode. Juve Proud

Juve Proud
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:26 pm

I always thought replacing Max with Sarri was a monumental mistake, but I never would've thought he would also lose to Lyon, and with Ronaldo no less.

Good thing they got rid of him. Not sure about Pirlo though, I guess time will tell.
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Post by Luca on Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:12 pm

I don’t believe it was ever a question of Sarri being even thought of as a better manager than Allegri

Allegri just ran his course at the club and his loss to Ajax is quite parallel to Sarri vs. Lyon

It wasn’t wrong to replace Allegri, it wasn’t even wrong to think of Sarri as the best available option. It was a very safe appointment and Pirlo is the opposite of that

I honestly feel if Allegri stayed, Dybala would’ve left. Instead we got to see the very best of Dybala this season and hopefully that continues under Pirlo

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Post by Arquitecto on Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:21 pm

Sarri is nowhere near Max as a manager and its not even close. Max is just better in possibly all ways bar his questionable midfield system in which he limits the players he has at his disposal.

But indeed his time was up. Sarri no one predicted that he would abandon what he does best and for what we saw in Sarri for Juve. Wrong choice in hindsight of course.
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Post by rincon on Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:47 pm

@Casciavit wrote:lol @ rincon who said juve would beat lyon and then beat city rofl
Right. So Juve actually beat Lyon and City is losing 3-1 to Lyon? :coffee:
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