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Post by Firenze on Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:55 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Pitch invasion lol this invasor has played a better match than Rabiot though


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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:57 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Pitch invasion lol this invasor has played a better match than Rabiot though

I love GL rofl

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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:58 pm

I cannot agree on the calls part as yes a penalty should have been given but goodness Juventus made a meal of so many calls and were basically building their box play around receiving a pen since CR will score a penalty 99% of the time.

This has to be easily the worst Juventus I've seen since their Scudetto winning era.

Allegri who also is stubborn begins to make his changes and they always work.

Sarri will not and the evidence is on the wall for that in the last 4 years of his coaching.

He simply is not big enough for the project Agnelli-Nedved have been desperately mounting for the CL win.

Im failing to see how anyone will disagree with this given he does not have the track record or flexibility to prove otherwise.


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Post by farfan on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:07 pm

The last 15 minutes is what the second leg will look like. Laughing Expect Juve to advance but at least we have a match to remember from this dreadful season.

Also, dembélé is just not good enough at this level. His laborious controls and poor passing prevented us from getting anything going in the second half.
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:09 pm

It's unexpected, but we got this @farfan
And I should say even deservely
Of course Juve are going to pass 99%, there is too much difference and their stadium is a factor ( yes, closed doors are going to continue just in Lombardia if situation remains this)

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Post by Unique on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:11 pm

@farfan wrote:The last 15 minutes is what the second leg will look like. Laughing Expect Juve to advance but at least we have a match to remember from this dreadful season.

Also, dembélé is just not good enough at this level. His laborious controls and poor passing prevented us from getting anything going in the second half.
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Post by Doc on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:12 pm

Lyon actually beat Jjuve? Damn. I actually watched this side struggle to beat real canon fodder in Ligue 1 and they beat Jjuve. What is Sarri really doing in Turin?

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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:13 pm

I would say you are underestimating Lyon but truth is I have not followed them enough this season to make such a statement and I hope they go into Turin with the same courage knowing they CAN beat this Juventus given this is a far inferior one than last year.

On that note:

Conte & Allegri indirectly worked very well together for their Juve where Conte built the modern Juventus and Allegri augmented it without destroying anything of his 3 season squad or philosophy. And no surprise they grew to like each other as a result.

Sarri has come in and taken that all away only for playing football that looks thoughtful but only has the courage of a lower-level team.

It is not the worry that Juventus cannot get better. The worry is that Sarri is notorious for sticking with the same exact formula and simply is not have a great affect on any particular player. CR, de Ligt etc are autonomous whereas Pjanic (who was supposed to be THE player in this system is not looking like himself) or Bernadeschi, or Ramsey etc.

Sarri and Paratici have questions to answer given the latter has not built a squad tailored to Win and defending all of this will have the point missed.

If you are not taking advantage of a an ageless CR in your team the correct way.

Either he will leave swiftly for more victorious pastures or he goes down with you in the most unmemorable Juventus of the past decade.

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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:15 pm

@Robespierre wrote:It's unexpected, but we got this @farfan
And I should say even deservely
Of course Juve are going to pass 99%, there is too much difference and their stadium is a factor ( yes, closed doors are going to continue just in Lombardia if situation remains this)


I don't see it happening.

Lyon now know there is zero reason to fear this team bar CR and Higuain. Dybala is inconsistent in Europe so I wouldn't take him seriously at all.

Lyon surely will be coming to Italy knowing Juventus will make bare-minimum changes and the same approach will thwart the Italian giants.

Yes they scored off 10 men during an injury but bar the last 15 mins this had to be Juve's worst performance of the season.

No grinta, all fear, no plan, no vision.


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Post by Unique on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:37 pm

tbh i had juve to win it this season. still could though.

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Post by Luca on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:49 pm

There’s just too many things wrong with this team.

The approach sucked. The midfield is slow. Chances aren’t being made with any sense of urgency. Just the same old predictable crosses from the same players to the same players each time.

Cant blame Sarri fully but this season could quickly become a write off, the margin for error in the league is already tight and in the CL it’s worse
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:51 pm

Luca Proud

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Post by Luca on Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:06 pm

Hi fratello
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Post by S on Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:39 am

@Arquitecto wrote:Great flashback. Even have a Kanouté Jersey of that same. Proud

As for the game Surag was right that Sarri should be sacked before its too late.


Well this was a disastrous appointment since the outset.

The philosophies don't match. You don't bring in a stubborn, inflexible mule who is incapable of adapting to the characteristics of the squad. Either you sign players that suits their style of play or bring in a manager who is flexible with adapting to the changes in personnel and one who can try to fit in the best possible XI. Allegri was perfect in this regard but we needed to move on from him but certainly not for Sarri.

It is March and Sarri still doesn't know his best starting eleven. Now he is bashing his players in front of the media that they are incapable of following his instructions. Absolute joke imo.

The recruitment over the summer was another disaster(except for the CB signings). Danilo has been an utter flop as expected and now we have a genuine weak link at RB. Ramsey and Rabiot were brought in to bolster our weakest department and they have been so-so. We are paying them 300K a week on top of it. The money could have certainly been utilized in a better way. Last summer we bought Can on massive wages and a year later we offloaded him.... Old washed up geezers like Khedira and Matuidi are still stuck at the club with massive wages.

Very poor planning from Paratici imo, he's been nothing short of a disaster so far right from his appointment of Sarri to stockpiling trash and eventually making us the club with the 3rd highest wage bill in Europe. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because even Beppe was a disaster in his first year with Juventus but I'd so wish we had Beppe right now.
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Post by BusterLfc on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:08 am

Looks like Juventus is in decline ever since Ronaldo came in. Maybe that big money move + his wages costed them improvements in other areas, midfield in particular. They had to sign Can, Rabiot, Ramsey in midfield for free, they really could've used some money there because their midfield is average. It looks to me like signing Ronaldo made Juventus neglect other areas that needed improvement, and making the team unbalanced. Maybe it was a bad move for both Juve and Ronaldo?
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Post by Kaladin on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:45 am

Bruno was amazing

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Post by S on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:55 am

Ronaldo's signing has improved our appeal considerably.

Post Ronaldo, our commercial revenue has increased considerably. We are also the 3rd most followed club on social media behind Madrid and Barca and this is all because of Ronaldo's humongous social media presence.

Can't hold anything against the club for signing him because it is clearly benefiting the club both on and off the pitch even from a longer term perspective.

Ofcourse the downside was having lesser room to work with in terms of the transfer budget but outside Ronaldo, if you look at our transfer activity for the past couple of seasons, it has been rather poor.

€40M spent on Cancelo only to swap him for an even more useless RB in Danilo, spent €16M on agent fees in Can and gave him a massive wage only to offload him a year later for capital gains. Extended contracts of Khedira and Mandzukic and gave them 200K a week to sit on the bench. Will soon be extending Matuidi's contract. Even outside of Ronaldo, the squad has been poorly managed so we can't give Ronaldo's wages burdening us as an excuse.

I posted this in the Juventuz forum and I will post it here as well :

Higuain - €7.5M net
Khedira - €6M net
Ramsey - €7M net
Rabiot - €7M net
Costa - €6.5M net
Pjanić - €7M net
Danilo - €4.5M net
Matuidi - €5M net


The elephant in the room. Our staggeringly high wage bill. We are talking about €100M+ in gross wages here from the above list. Unless we significantly trim it down, we are going to have problems addressing all our issues with insufficient funds to make the right purchases.

Most of the players in that list are either old/inconsistent or non performers which is appalling to say the least.

First this needs to be fixed then we can talk about how Ronaldo, an actual performer with a huge commercial presence is burdening us financially.
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Post by zigra on Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:54 am

@Arquitecto wrote:I would say you are underestimating Lyon but truth is I have not followed them enough this season to make such a statement


They are 7th in the french league tbf.
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Post by rincon on Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:02 am

Signaling Ronaldo is pointless. For as much as he costed he actually performs to a fantastic level and elevates Juve as a club. There was plenty of money leftover, we spent 40m on a right back and like 80m on a CB among others.

The problem is the disconnect between the players signed and the manager's requirement. Allegri was the master at making things work, Sarri isnt. He has a clear view of what he wants and everyone knows that. It's senseless to appoint him without planning to back him. So the management has to ask themselves, will they back Sarri fully or not? If there answer is no then sack him because it would just be a waste of time. If they want to back him fully then there a lot of players to clear, like Can.

Signing players like Can is where the mistake lies. Such an obvious failure of a transfer before it even happened. Matuidi, Khedira, one of Rabiot or Ramsey, the midfield has to be cleaned up. Danilo is definitely not more useless than Cancelo. Cancelo was simply not a functional right back, playing with him was just a handicap. Danilo at least does the basics. Not that that is ideal either.

These problems existed already last season. We lost 3-0 in the Coppa QF to Atalanta and in the CL to Ajax, and everyone pointed at Allegri when he wasnt the culprit. In this transition period the squad needs more coherence. We are between the old squad which was built perfectly, and a new one that will have a very different look. For this transition the management chose to go with Sarri, a clear statement of intent in what they want the team to look like.

So reshape the midfield to his liking, sell Costa for a player that can physically play football, and bring back Pellegrini. Or sack Sarri and sign Inzaghi, which was my choice last summer and seemed like an easy bet after Allegri
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:03 am

To think Tousart let himself be bought by Hertha, where he'll have to go in summer rofl

Poor sap. Should sue his agent IMO. One can only hope his contract is invalid for 2nd BuLi.

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Post by Arquitecto on Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:18 pm

Surag is spot on there.

Paratici seemed shrewd in his signings and the problem I've divulged into that was the game v Lyon if not 90 percent of the season is simple.

The hierarchy simply has not built a midfield to support world class stars in the form of Dybala, Higuain and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Sarri is the main culprit here because he is failing to use Pjanic as to what he is good at.

Not using Rabiot for what he is and can be.

Does not know how to use Ramsey.

Meanwhile past it midfielders in Khedira and Matudi are being paid three times their current worth.

Danilo was NEVER going to be good given he was only a good player in one year for Porto opposite of Sandro who did succeed.


de Ligt is a huge success and if they can keep him for beyond 2 years he will be a superstar.


And no doubting Cristiano has been a success in every single possible way.

Not only he is a better overall player than before (credit to Max Allegri) but one has no idea the pull he has put into the orbit of Juventus let alone Serie A itself. It is obscene.

Just his son signed onto Twitter and now has 1million followers for basically nothing of worth.

Hence why he remains one of two most valuable stars on the planet.

Point being Sarri has to be dropped and Paratici, whilst intelligent, has wasted resources but like Marotta who sucked ass initially, can turn it around.

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Post by farfan on Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:36 pm

@Kaladin wrote:Bruno was amazing


It's shocking. His first CL game and only his second match for us and he's already bossing the midfield.

I've never even heard of the guy until we were linked with him and he's already doing everything the more experienced Thiago Mendes was supposed to be doing.
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