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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:26 pm

replace Isco with another box to box who can double as a DM for Casemiro and it's a better balance

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Post by S on Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:33 pm

Pogba I think will remain at United. Man United are too scared of losing their star power that Pogba brings, especially with the shitshow they currently are atm. I can see them locking him to a new contract for like 500K a week or something over the summer.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:47 pm

It's unlikely he agrees to a long term extension, but they will try to control his future by doing the automatic extension of his contract this summer for one more year. We had this conversation with Sports before, i expect them to follow the same gameplan as with De Gea.

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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:41 pm

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:43 pm

Did he really put his son in the deal for De Jong? Hilarious rofl

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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:44 pm

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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:45 pm

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Post by Kick on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Honestly, who would buy Pogba? He's been far too injury prone recently to justify the high price tag. He's no longer that young and hasn't hit his Juve heights at Utd, despite multiple managers.

The way things are going, he'll end up like Bale.

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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:47 pm

we should set a price tag of 70M for him in the summer and see if someone bites

I agree though, anything more than that would be ridiculous and he's a gamble
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Post by rincon on Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:57 pm

Would take him back
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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:04 pm

I'm sure, he was great for you and a fan favourite and hell I could even see you bidding for him in the summer, but IMO you should keep clear. We also supposedly wouldn't sell him for anything less than 150M Laughing

Think like S said management won't let him go because of his 'star power' even though he's mediocre on the pitch. We'll extend him and he will leave on a free to PSG, Atleti or Serie A in a few years.
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Post by rincon on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:13 pm

Obviously not for 150m, but for 70m? Yes.
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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:21 pm

@Kick wrote:Honestly, who would buy Pogba? He's been far too injury prone recently to justify the high price tag. He's no longer that young and hasn't hit his Juve heights at Utd, despite multiple managers.

The way things are going, he'll end up like Bale.

Pogba can only dream of getting even remotely near the club achiements of Bale. To be fair to Bale, he’s been absolutely decisive in key games against top opposition. Even if you go back to Pogba’s time at Juve, where the team was practically designed for his benefit, he ghosted through the CL games that are worth mentioning. Fast forward a couple of years, and nothing has changed. He’s produced his most memorable moments against an out of form City once in the cup, and Arsenal. Yep, just Arsenal.

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Post by Firenze on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:23 pm

@rincon wrote:Obviously not for 150m, but for 70m? Yes.


Exactly. I think if we price him at 70-80M, we'll get some people interested (even with players to bring down the price) but our board seem intent of slapping an unrealistic fee on him. It's dumb. He will end up doing feck all again for his remainder here and leaving on a free, sapping up big wages while doing so.

very frustrating situation
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@Kick wrote:Honestly, who would buy Pogba? He's been far too injury prone recently to justify the high price tag. He's no longer that young and hasn't hit his Juve heights at Utd, despite multiple managers.

The way things are going, he'll end up like Bale.

Pogba can only dream of getting even remotely near the club achiements of Bale. To be fair to Bale, he’s been absolutely decisive in key games against top opposition. Even if you go back to Pogba’s time at Juve, where the team was practically designed for his benefit, he ghosted through the CL games that are worth mentioning. Fast forward a couple of years, and nothing has changed. He’s produced his most memorable moments against an out of form City once in the cup, and Arsenal. Yep, just Arsenal.


That's not actually true. I remember Pogba being among the best, at times the single best, Juve player in a number of CL knock out games.
He also was the match winner in the Europa League final for Man Utd, easily the biggest game the club has had post Ferguson.
I do agree that in his current state, he doesn't look like an attractive player to buy, but that's mainly not because of how he plays, but because he doesn't play at all.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:49 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:
@Kick wrote:Honestly, who would buy Pogba? He's been far too injury prone recently to justify the high price tag. He's no longer that young and hasn't hit his Juve heights at Utd, despite multiple managers.

The way things are going, he'll end up like Bale.

Pogba can only dream of getting even remotely near the club achiements of Bale. To be fair to Bale, he’s been absolutely decisive in key games against top opposition. Even if you go back to Pogba’s time at Juve, where the team was practically designed for his benefit, he ghosted through the CL games that are worth mentioning. Fast forward a couple of years, and nothing has changed. He’s produced his most memorable moments against an out of form City once in the cup, and Arsenal. Yep, just Arsenal.


That's not actually true. I remember Pogba being among the best, at times the single best, Juve player in a number of CL knock out games.
He also was the match winner in the Europa League final for Man Utd, easily the biggest game the club has had post Ferguson.
I do agree that in his current state, he doesn't look like an attractive player to buy, but that's mainly not because of how he plays, but because he doesn't play at all.


Have you ever watched him play for Man United, outside of that EL final? I didn’t watch him play all that much for Juve, but he was a massive letdown in their CL match against Real Madrid, and I remember being disappointed when I watched him in one of their matches before that one, as well. I gave him the benefit of the doubt then, due to how little I’d seen of him, but I’m only left with doubt at this point in time.

He’s clearly a unique talent who can produce moments of brilliance on occasion, but his inconsistency and general lack of productivity for Man United has often been overshadowed by incredibly flattering statistics. I’ve watched almost every single one of his performances for them, and despite how talented he is, he simply isn’t consistently productive enough to warrant the lingering star tag.

His peak performances are a joy to watch, but they’re not frequent enough to matter, particularly considering how he typically performs against top opposition. He’s an outright liability at his absolutely lowest level of performance, and his average level isn’t anything to write home about. When was the last time you saw him perform well in the CL? I was actually surprised at how well he played in the first leg against PSG, but they ultimately managed to advance without him, and I think they would’ve fared better if they had dropped him against Barcelona. Bottom line, I genuinely admire his talent, but with how unpredictable his performance level is, I wouldn’t want him to play for a team that I support. I’m not convinced that he’s a reliable asset at club level.


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Post by Unique on Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:57 pm

Fuck knows why Hans has a boner for jogba but how he plays and how Hans says he plays are chalk and cheese.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:02 pm

Pogba was not that great for Juventus in CL specially in their elimination games he was subpar. That was one of the big criticism against him at the time.

Hans got Thimmy going on Pogba.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:18 pm

Perez doesn’t seem to fancy Pogba, based on his recent comment. I’m still prepared for the possibility that we might get him in the summer. I just think it’s frustrating to imagine Pogba coming in and playing the way he’s been doing over the past 3-4 years now. It’s insufficient. It would set us back financially, and we’d still have a midfield issue.

Question marks over his CL performances aside, he’s a got a lot to prove in terms of making himself useful over the course of a long league season. It’s not as if Man United have suffered from his absence this season.

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Post by rincon on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:21 pm

Pogba was excellent against Bayern in CL. Probably that helps shape Hans perception on him. Reality was in the middle. Pogba was never bad in CL for us, not at all. He wasn't our most important player either but that was normal for a kid.

Only in his last season did he become an icon and the only knockout game we played then was against Bayern, and Pogba was awesome.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:23 pm

I used to think Perez would get Zidane is wish but too many things have changed and keep changing (Odegaard, Valverde, potential other targets) + United reluctance to sell and controlling his contract, have led me to think he won't come here next summer.

Also the "who is Pogba" comment is a killer. Could you imagine Perez saying that of MBAPPE? Reports about him not wanting Pogba might be that grounded in truth

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:28 pm

Well, that’s a big game, to be fair. Bayern were much stronger back then, as well. I think consistency is what seperates elite players from just talented players, though. Even CR7 had longer periods where his performances weren’t all that amazing, but his performance level was still at a stable, relatively high level. And sometimes, that’s enough. I’m not even a Man United fan, and I lost my patience with Pogba quite some time ago. Just when I think he’s found a decently sized run of form, he always reverts to mediocrity or worse. It’s like he’s made for short tournaments.

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Post by Thimmy on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:32 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:I used to think Perez would get Zidane is wish but too many things have changed and keep changing (Odegaard, Valverde, potential other targets) + United reluctance to sell and controlling his contract, have led me to think he won't come here next summer.

Also the "who is Pogba" comment is a killer. Could you imagine Perez saying that of MBAPPE? Reports about him not wanting Pogba might be that grounded in truth


For all the criticism Mbappe receives on here, it’s really hard to argue that he wouldn’t be an asset to any team. He’s still a kid, he has tons of potential, and unlike Pogba, he puts in the effort on a regular basis. He’s marketable, as well. I can’t imagine Perez would have any reason to write him off with a comment like that Razz

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Post by Perucho21 on Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:18 pm

I was one of those people that argued for the necessity of Pogba and what he can bring is different than what Kroos, Modric, and Isco currently offer. However, the emergence of both Valverde and Odegaard has pretty much ended any argument for the need for Pogba. It just doesn't make sense anymore to spend huge millions when we have two players that have high potential and improve our midfield.

We can now go all in on Mbappe hmm

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:37 am

Yeah sometimes it comes down to resource management. Why would you pay 180+ mil on Pogba if you have other players like Odegaard who are showing a fantastic level in la Liga and even Fede growing into a complete box to box. That money can be used elsewhere

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