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Post by El Gunner on Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:11 am

@Eman wrote:Willian reportedly wants pretty high wages and is certainly not worth hamstringing us down the line when we pursue the players we really need. I don’t think it’s worth it. If we wanted an experienced attacking midfielder/winger, we might as well keep Mkhitaryan imo.

For me, sign a guy we really need long-term or trust youth more until we can get that guy.


oh piss off pls with this bullshit. All day i've had to deal with people making out as if Willian is some trash washed player - he has basically been Chelsea's best player since the restart along with Pulisic.

Don't compare him to that slowass bum Mkhitarayn.

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Post by MJ on Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:17 am

tbf Mkhitaryan has also been pretty good for Roma. Just don't think he's suited for the Premier League at his age - maybe he never was. sometimes it do, in fact, be like that.

Think the concern with Willian is the PTSD we have of players on high wages declining to the point that they massively burden our ability to buy.

But if this deal happens and he helps us qualify for the Champions League next season, I don't think we'll be too worried about how much he's making.
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Post by Sri on Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:56 am

Will.I.An for 3 years sounds ok to me, esp on a free.

Mkhi is still at Arsenal? Laughing How much frikking deadwood do we have? I just saw some Elneny to Turkey links - honestly can't recall his face any more rofl

Btw, how many defenders do we have? I didn't know we have Soares and Mari for example - I could only recall Sokratis, Holding, Chambers, Luiz, Bellerin, Tierney, Kolasinac, ... AMN? hmm

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Post by Sri on Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:59 am

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Ok forgot Mustafi.. :brickwall:

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Post by Jay29 on Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:49 pm

Paraphrasing some stuff from the Gary Jacob in the Times:

- 3 year deal offered to Willian
- Auba could earn more than £300k p/w once you include bonuses in his new contract
- Club open to selling Lacazette to Spanish and Italian clubs
- Club wants to sign Coutinho on loan

So far, these are the big rumours:

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Willian - Awaiting a new contract offer from Chelsea and could stay there; has or will have a 3 year deal from Arsenal
Coutinho - Possible loan deal; further developments expected after Champions League
Partey - Atletico insisting on full 50m release clause, Arsenal unwilling to pay that at the moment; further developments expected after Champions League
Ceballos - Possible loan deal with a mandatory purchase in 2021

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Holding - Club willing to sell
Sokratis - Club willing to sell; agent says he's not going anywhere
Mustafi - Club willing to sell; injured until October, which could complicate things
Torreira - Club could listen to offers
Lacazette - Club may listen to offers from Spain and Italy; has been linked with Juventus
Ozil - Club desperately want to sell; agent says he intend on seeing out his contract, which expires in 2021
Elneny - Interest from Turkey; might go loan in the absence of a buyer
Mkhitaryan - On loan at Roma until contract expires in 2021
Aubameyang - Interest from Barcelona, Inter and Juventus
Martinez - Linked with Leeds
Guendouzi - Club unhappy with his attitude, want to sell

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Post by Sri on Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:01 pm

I feel so conflicted about Coutinho.. I don't think that he'd be a good signing, even on a loan..



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Post by Jay29 on Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:17 pm

Arsenal have moved ahead of Napoli and are well-positioned to sign Lille CB Gabriel:

https://www.francebleu.fr/sports/football/le-defenseur-lillois-gabriel-en-route-vers-arsenal-1596547798

Supported by a local Lille news site:



Watch this space, I guess.

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Post by RealGunner on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:50 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Arsenal have moved ahead of Napoli and are well-positioned to sign Lille CB Gabriel:

https://www.francebleu.fr/sports/football/le-defenseur-lillois-gabriel-en-route-vers-arsenal-1596547798

Supported by a local Lille news site:



Watch this space, I guess.


Read that as well-prostituted and was like damn times are hard.

Always like defenders from ligue 1. Physically closest to PL. They rarely disappoint.
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Post by Sri on Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:16 pm

Who now?

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Post by Sina on Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:48 pm

This is good report on him

https://medium.com/@thirtyfeet/player-report-gabriel-magalh%C3%A3es-59dfba80f108
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Post by Sina on Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:20 pm



Its developing now
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Post by RealGunner on Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:34 pm

Hopefully.

Saliba, Gabriel, Luiz top 3. Keep one of Mustafi/Holding/Chambers and bin the rest
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Post by Twoism on Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:09 am

Report of Francis Cagigao and major scout network got let go soon. It looks like such a weird move since Cagigao just got promotion not long ago. Tbh I'm still unsure what sort of impact he and his network have had on our overall recruitment/performance, he's obviously Wenger remnant and been in the club for long time. I wonder if this is for sporting reasons or straight clean up for post pandemic restructure.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:03 am

@Twoism wrote:Report of Francis Cagigao and major scout network got let go soon. It looks like such a weird move since Cagigao just got promotion not long ago. Tbh I'm still unsure what sort of impact he and his network have had on our overall recruitment/performance, he's obviously Wenger remnant and been in the club for long time. I wonder if this is for sporting reasons or straight clean up for post pandemic restructure.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/05/arsenal-plan-55-redundancies-to-enable-us-to-continue-to-invest-in-the-team-impact-covid-19-revenue

MEANWHILE

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/27/kia-joorabchians-growing-influence-arsenal-identity-crisis

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Post by Twoism on Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am

1st news while sucks is understandable, just how it is with big corporations of which Arsenal is one. The Kia connection is obviously there, I suppose we just have to wait and see how the season play out. I do believe Arteta knows what he's doing, outspoken but at the same time realistic, if he didn't want Willians, fans would know by now.
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:36 pm


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Post by RealGunner on Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:10 pm

Tbh they have found no one in the last 10-15 years. Who have we signed from Belgium or Italy in the last 20 years?

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:44 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Tbh they have found no one in the last 10-15 years. Who have we signed from Belgium or Italy in the last 20 years?



Yeah, especially the France scouts need not be only fired, but disbarred from exercising their profession tbh

If you think that from the endless, non-stop exuberant French top talent generating assembly line of the last 10 years, a land of milk and honey where there's enough exciting young players for everyone and you just have to pluck them from the academies, everyone can have one, or two, as many top talents as you can carry, they managed to find Guendouzi and Yaya Sanogo.
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Post by Twoism on Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:21 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:Tbh they have found no one in the last 10-15 years. Who have we signed from Belgium or Italy in the last 20 years?



Yeah, especially the France scouts need not be only fired, but disbarred from exercising their profession tbh

If you think that from the endless, non-stop exuberant French top talent generating assembly line of the last 10 years, a land of milk and honey where there's enough exciting young players for everyone and you just have to pluck them from the academies, everyone can have one, or two, as many top talents as you can carry, they managed to find Guendouzi and Yaya Sanogo.


That would be Gilles Grimandi who was working as scout/ chief scout for Arsene/ Arsenal from 2006 to 2019, also still held a grudge against Raul.

As for these scout department clear out, it looks more and more like complete restructure/ rebuild and using Covid as an excuse.
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Post by Jay29 on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:39 am

According to Charles Watts, the lay offs in the scouting department are separate to the 55 other redundancies and is the result of Edu's review. Seems it was going to happen regardless of the pandemic.

The same thing happened to the academy. Mertesacker and Edu did a big review and cleared out a lot of old scouts.

Source: https://www.goal.com/en/news/revealed-cagigaos-shock-arsenal-axe-a-result-of-edu/u505wxc5zn5w1vzoy710obbss

There's also this article, claiming Mislintat planned on reducing the size of his team when he was at the club and that academy scouting has benefited from streamlining:

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arsenal-transfer-news-sanllehi-cagigao-18725398

Appraising scouting is difficult because we don't know how many recommendations are signed. For example, we haven't signed young talent from Belgium at all, but is that because the scouts aren't finding it, or because the recruitment team is passing them up?

Or, is it a case of the recruitment team struggling to make quick decisions and losing out on talent, because there's too much noise? Senior staff at the club have commented on the sheer number of people working at the club before. Perhaps this explains the slowness of Arsenal's transfer business in the past.

Then there's Brexit. One scenario is that signing European players under the age of 16 is going to be tougher than ever, so Arsenal may look at older players floating between youth and first team football.

Who knows, really? Too much going on for me to parse it all properly. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Anyway, some rumours.

- Maitland-Niles has been told he can leave, but Arteta wants to keep him
- Torreira wants to leave; Milan, Fiorentina and Torino all linked
- Willian signing seems just a matter of time now
- Club confident Auba will sign a three-year deal; assuming Barca doesn't make an approach
- More links with Gabriel Megalhaes ; could cost 30m
- New links to James Rodriguez from AS

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Post by Jay29 on Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:30 pm

And one more for the scouting situation:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-news-aubameyang-new-contract-transfer-willian-gabriel-magalhaes-partey-a4519161.html

"Edu wants the club to move to a more data and analytics-driven approach which has proved so successful for the likes of Liverpool and Man City, and away from the old fashioned system of having scouts specialising in different locations around the world."

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Post by RealGunner on Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:18 pm

I am not sure how i feel about this transition. Is the stats and data based system normal for all the top clubs or just City and Liverpool? How does the system assess a player? something similar to whoscored where you look at tackling success, work rate, passing success etc? We got duped with Mustafi and Gabriel because of that. City also bought shite like Rodri and Mendy.

Liverpool players work because Klopp is a world class coach who can turn ElNeny into a champion. Put half that team under another manager and they will struggle.

Saying that the old scout system only worked since Wenger had a good eye and the ability to make a decent youngster into a very good player. It didn't serve us that well either.

Appraising scouting is difficult because we don't know how many recommendations are signed. For example, we haven't signed young talent from Belgium at all, but is that because the scouts aren't finding it, or because the recruitment team is passing them up?

Or, is it a case of the recruitment team struggling to make quick decisions and losing out on talent, because there's too much noise? Senior staff at the club have commented on the sheer number of people working at the club before. Perhaps this explains the slowness of Arsenal's transfer business in the past.

Then there's Brexit. One scenario is that signing European players under the age of 16 is going to be tougher than ever, so Arsenal may look at older players floating between youth and first team football.

Who knows, really? Too much going on for me to parse it all properly. We'll just have to wait and see.

Honestly can't believe we signed 0 Belgians or Italian kids in the last 20 years. Other than Mannone i guess.

Maybe it's difficult because of relocation. I mean Juve have the monopoly on most of the talent so maybe it's harder for us.
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Post by mani88 on Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:02 pm

Luiz, Saliba, Mari, Gabriel, Mustafi, Sokratis, Holding, Chambers, Kolasinac.

We will have 9 CB's in the squad if we sign gabriel. We will have to let go of atleast 4. I would seek PL loans for Holding and chambers (in january). Sell both Sokratis and Mustafi (although he is injured). Also we need a tierney backup so keeping kolasinac as back up LB or if possible sell kola and sign Malang Sarr free as he can play both LB and CB.

Luiz will leave next year until then we can decide if one of holding/chambers/mavropanos can take up his place. We can have our defence sorted for next 5 or 10 years if these youngsters fulfil the expected potential.

Bellerin and Cedric as RB choices.
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Post by silver on Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:06 am

@mani88 wrote:Luiz will leave next year until then we can decide if one of holding/chambers/mavropanos can take up his place. We can have our defence sorted for next 5 or 10 years if these youngsters fulfil the expected potential.


I'm sure we said that about Chambers and Holding 4 years ago.
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Post by Eman on Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:29 am

@El Gunner wrote:
@Eman wrote:Willian reportedly wants pretty high wages and is certainly not worth hamstringing us down the line when we pursue the players we really need. I don’t think it’s worth it. If we wanted an experienced attacking midfielder/winger, we might as well keep Mkhitaryan imo.

For me, sign a guy we really need long-term or trust youth more until we can get that guy.


oh piss off pls with this bullshit. All day i've had to deal with people making out as if Willian is some trash washed player - he has basically been Chelsea's best player since the restart along with Pulisic.

Don't compare him to that slowass bum Mkhitarayn.

Look, I'm not saying that Willian is a shit player because he isn't, but neither is Mkhitaryan. Going for older players can work at times but it seems like a compromise type of choice when nobody knows if he will still be good in 2 years and here we are, handing him this big 3 year contract. I won't sit here and pretend like Willian will make no impact because I'm sure he will, but it's not a signing to get overly excited about imo because it could backfire over time if he becomes an Ozil-esque presence. I would rather spend those wages on guys who will make an impact for years to come, or at least offload more of our expensive deadweight before signing an older guy like Willian to such a deal.

If signing him does not infringe on us going out and getting the CMs we need or a CB, then okay, great.
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:29 pm

Rumour updates:

Willian - Just awaiting official confirmation, has said goodbye to Chelsea.

Aubameyang - Seems he'll extend? No new updates.

Maitland-Niles - Interest from two unnamed PL teams and a Bundesliga club.

Lacazette - Some interest from Juventus; Arsenal could be interested in a swap or sale for right price.

Coutinho - Has gone cold. Sources in Spain say no interest from Arsenal. The Athletic says Arsenal currently not looking for a deal.

Partey - Still considered a top target for the club but no new updates.

Gabriel - Reportedly has offers from Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd and Napoli; expected to make his decision soon.

Ceballos - Nothing new.

Ozil - Nothing new.

Guendouzi - Suggestion that PSG might be interested, but links are tentative.

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