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Post by S Fri 16 Mar - 8:54:33

Would happily sell both Mandzukic and Pjaca(who Schalke are apparently willing to buy) if it means we have a shot at signing Martial. We get a versatile player who could eventually replace Higuain as well.

Inb4 Dybala-Martial swap

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Post by Luca Fri 16 Mar - 13:58:30

Agreed, but I do see an issue if we spend big money on Martial and then cheap out on the midfield

It would be maddening, can't wait Proud

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Post by Warrior Fri 16 Mar - 14:25:32

Martial ??? screw that lol
Not gonna happen
Give Dybala a raise (to make sure we keep him) and make Bernardeschi a starter please, that would be a much better plan. If we have 65 millions sleeping i don't see why we'd spend it on another forward.

The weakness is in midfield ffs
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri 16 Mar - 22:09:04

If we don't fix our midfield we're going to have a dry spell in the ol' trophy cabinet very soon.
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Post by juvealbanian Fri 16 Mar - 22:45:10

Martial would be perfect but doesn't makes sense unless we are offloading Mandzukic and Pjaca.As S said I would also get him if it means we sell both Mandz and Pjaca.He can play everywhere in attack.
My concern is that he might be involved in some swap deal for Sandro or Dybala.

If we have ~60m on cash then we should definetly spend it on a quality midfielder (sell Mandzukic ~25m) and that would make 85m which should be enough to get a quality midfielder.
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Post by S Sun 18 Mar - 9:16:39

Marotta: "We’re ready to take any opportunities, I won’t deny we are concentrated on Emre Can and awaiting his response. That is our primary objective. If there is a negative response, we’ll move our attention on to other players.”
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Post by salmano9 Fri 30 Mar - 6:14:05

Dybala to Atletico? Immediately defused the Spanish bomb
03.03.2018

An alleged market bomb bounced from Spain in the evening: Joaquin Rodriguez, a journalist among others on Onda Cero and Antena 3, virtually gave the agreement to transfer Paulo Dybala to Atletico Madrid. The figures: 100 million euros plus the sale of Stefan Savic to Juventus. With a lot of agreement already reached between the Argentine footballer and the Colchoneros for the next five years. Still from Spain, however, just now the denials of the two broadcasters have arrived, which have distanced themselves from their collaborators.
Here is the tweet of a journalist of Onda Cero, José Ramon de la Morena: "This is not news of Onda Cero, nor of Antena3".
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Not a bad idea tbh. We are currently being linked to Martial, promising 22 year old, playing at high levels.
Costa+Martial+Pjaca+(Mandzu) on LW
Bernardeschi+Cuadrado+(Pjaca) on RW

It would be exciting to see Pjaca back next season as he is over his injury problems.

It should be fine if Dybala leaves as long as we have cover for the future. Also, as long as Pjanic stays to be our FK specialist, I'm not worried.
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Post by rincon Fri 30 Mar - 12:12:58

Has Pjaca been relevant at Schalke?
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 13:22:30

100M + Savic for Dybala would be quite poor on our end in my opinion. Only way that would go over if the week before we sign Sergej for 80-90M (the quoted price at the moment)

@rincon I’ve read reports that Schalke wants to purchase Pjaca, not that they have the option to do so but to me that indicates he’s doing quite well, which we should all be happy to hear.

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Post by juvealbanian Fri 30 Mar - 16:41:51

Losing our star to Atletico would be a new low for our shitty transfer policy.
Every year we damaged our midfield (Vidal for 37m :'( and then Pogba) to try strengthen our attack.
Now that our attack is the best in a long time we'll sell our most promising start to try and fix the hole we did on our midfield.

Dybala's price must be set at no lower than 170m € at least.
If we'll accept these 100+a shitty player deals our management is dumb.

If Atletico wants to include a player in their deal then give us Niguez+100m€ for Dybala or Koke+120m€. Why the hell would we need Savic ffs?
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Post by rincon Fri 30 Mar - 17:33:47

I don't what source is being thrown around but not even Spanish media spin this story Laughing

Dybala ain't going to Atletico. This doesn't even merit discussion.
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 17:34:52

Juventus to pay Lorenzo Pellegrini clause @rincon

25M

http://www.juvefc.com/juventus-pay-lorenzo-pellegrini-clause/

We really should be all over this

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri 30 Mar - 20:52:49

juvealbanian wrote:Losing our star to Atletico would be a new low for our shitty transfer policy.
Every year we damaged our midfield (Vidal for 37m :'( and then Pogba) to try strengthen our attack.
Now that our attack is the best in a long time we'll sell our most promising start to try and fix the hole we did on our midfield.

Dybala's price must be set at no lower than 170m € at least.
If we'll accept these 100+a shitty player deals our management is dumb.

If Atletico wants to include a player in their deal then give us Niguez+100m€ for Dybala or Koke+120m€. Why the hell would we need Savic ffs?


Yeah I'm literally done if we start losing our very best players to Atletico rofl

And if we do sell him, at least let's be a smart selling club. Should cost more than Dembele did for Barca. The star of a top European club (For now) in 2018 should cost closer to 200M than 100M in this roided up market.
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 20:58:05

I think you guys are overreacting to quite a poor rumour

Calma, were a pretty decent team

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri 30 Mar - 21:12:02

I mean i'd give it a 10% chance of happening but I point blank refuse to rule out this kind of event after everything we've seen so far

Early days:

Vidal - Lol as if he's going to Bayern for 40M. He's the best b2b mid in the World!

Pogba - United are a mid table team, why would he give up CL and B'dor for that? Hell, POGBA HATES UNITED!

Bonucci - Yeah right, Milan wouldn't get him for 100M. Worst rumour ever lads.



It always happens lol, we're an amazingly well run and high profile feeder club.
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 21:27:09

The 40M for Vidal was top dollar 5 seasons ago to be fair. Pogba on a world record fee and returned us Higuain and Pjanic, can't say we suffered there either. Bonucci left, sure and he strengthened Milan all the way from 6th to 5th place while we still hold the best defence in the league.

Melting down because of a rumour of Dybala leaving to Atletico? I'm not saying its impossible either but with the fees I think its quite common knowledge that 100M + Savic is a laughable offer to say the least.

Anyways, there's always two sides to this same story. You're either on Team A or B, nothing in between. I'd rather not begin this war before the market has even opened ffs.

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Post by juvealbanian Fri 30 Mar - 22:52:00

It's almost impossible for Dybala to stay until he's in his 30's with us we all know that.
His ideal team would be Barca but they are well equiped upfront with Dembele and Coutinho joining after Neymar left.So there is no way they gonna spend another 100+ on another player.
Real Madrid might have different plans on their attacking options such as Kane,Lewa or Hazard.

So even if it seems bullshit atm the deal could make sense in the future.Atletico will generate lots of money from Griezmann sale and they always reinvest to get fantastic strikers.
So they might lure Dybala and hypnotize Marotta's eyes with an offer smth above 100m.

Dybala will play in Spanish league and prepare to make his dream move to Barca or Real.Atletico being a certefied selling club and known for developing strikers will probably sell him for 200+ in a year or 2.

We were also joking about Vidal and Pogba but you know...

We need to put an end to selling our stars and even selling them for less than we can squeze out of those deals.

We sold Vidal for 37 when he was easily worth 50 even back then.
We sold Pogba but we didn't get all that money considering Raiola's % in that deal.
We sold Bonucci for 40 while City would have easily payed at least 60m for him etc.

We should stop being the nice guy on the deals.Look at Barca. They did sold Neymar but his transfer set the bar high for all other deals.Yet they brought Coutinho and Dembele with all that money.
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 23:04:50

I think I disagree with just about every one of your points, except for Dybala staying until his 30s, I agree that probably won't happen.

Barca is actually one of the worst examples you could draw from. They did not want to sell Neymar, PSG activated his release clause and as a result, they ended up severely, SEVERELY, overpaying for both Coutinho and Dembele. This is an example I hope we never follow. At the end, when we sold Zidane, we used the funds for Nedved, Thuram and Buffon. When we sold Pogba, we went with Higuain and Pjanic. When/If we sell Dybala, you can bet the funds will again go towards similar coups. If you want to talk about Juventus' "poor" history of selling players, make sure you also mention our RICH history of buying players because its two sides of the same coin. You guys choose to emphasize the negative and act like we get worse each time a player leaves, meanwhile the opposite occurs. Unfortunately, you guys make any transfer based discussion a completely daunting task whenever a transfer window is near.

I'd also argue if we were truly weak with selling players, we would put release clauses on all of our signings, yet we don't follow such practices because we know what that would mean.

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Post by juvealbanian Fri 30 Mar - 23:21:13

How is Barca a bad example? Yes there was the clause but set at 222m right? That's more than twice the amount of money payed for the most expensive player then (Pogba)

Yes they did overpayed for both Dembele and Coutinho but who isn't overpaying these days?
Neymar probably wanted to leave as well as he wants to be a prima-donna.

Dembele and Coutinho cost Barca around 260 both if im not wrong.So that's almost all covered by Nemyar money.

I would feel safer and more calm if there was a 200+ release clause on Dybala's contract than having to read all kind of bullshit every transfer season.

If a club wants him and he wants to join them we get our money and find replacements.
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Post by Luca Fri 30 Mar - 23:34:01

Because Barca wanted to keep him and got played and as a result they made two poor transfers based on heavily inflated fees

In Spain, it’s a requirement to have release clauses. They set them ludicrously high to make them useless but got caught out on the Neymar sale.

Dembele at 105 and Coutinho at 160 are two really bad pieces of business, regardless of even if they work out for Barca. Those aren’t “overpaying”, that’s breaking the market.

With that being said, the landscape of the transfer market is completely different than it was 12 months ago just because of moves like those and the ripple effect they have.

If Dybala is sold, I think it won’t be cheap

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Post by rincon Sat 31 Mar - 1:15:32

You can't compare Neymar to Dybala and certainly not to Pogba. Neymar is a whole different level, not just footballing but in terms of value.
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Post by salmano9 Sun 1 Apr - 2:44:09

Luca wrote:I think I disagree with just about every one of your points, except for Dybala staying until his 30s, I agree that probably won't happen.

Barca is actually one of the worst examples you could draw from. They did not want to sell Neymar, PSG activated his release clause and as a result, they ended up severely, SEVERELY, overpaying for both Coutinho and Dembele. This is an example I hope we never follow. At the end, when we sold Zidane, we used the funds for Nedved, Thuram and Buffon. When we sold Pogba, we went with Higuain and Pjanic. When/If we sell Dybala, you can bet the funds will again go towards similar coups. If you want to talk about Juventus' "poor" history of selling players, make sure you also mention our RICH history of buying players because its two sides of the same coin. You guys choose to emphasize the negative and act like we get worse each time a player leaves, meanwhile the opposite occurs. Unfortunately, you guys make any transfer based discussion a completely daunting task whenever a transfer window is near.

I'd also argue if we were truly weak with selling players, we would put release clauses on all of our signings, yet we don't follow such practices because we know what that would mean.

In the case of Dybala, I don't think that selling him at this point would be terrible business if the price is right (150m+), because we got cover in attack with Bernardeschi Cuadrado (Pjaca) Costa, and he is the only one who is competent in the CAM position. Selling him and getting a stronger midfielder might do us good to be honest. With Dybala's money, we can arguably buy another winger and a top class midfielder. It would make sense to sell Dybala if we start to use 433 as a main formation.

So, with Dybala gone we are going to lose quality in the team and the flexibility in tactics, but if we reinvest the money here in a top midfielder, we could be the winning side. However, there is only one thing that I can't make my mind about: Will the quality of the team increase or decrease if we get a top class midfielder and winger (e.g Milinkovic Savic and Martial)?
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Post by Luca Sun 1 Apr - 3:11:46

I think our quality would increase but I would rather see a talent like Dybala stay with our team for a bit longer. There’s really no sign of the market slowing down, this is only his third season with us and he’s still very young. I’m not so romantic about it to imagine him being like Del Piero, retiring with us and having that sort of legacy but I truthfully believe the best place for Dybala is Juventus. He’s not particularly strong nor fast, so that rules out the premier league, which I don’t think would suit him- unless it’s to a Man City type of team.

In Spain, the only choice is Real Madrid. He cannot play with Messi even with the national team. Currently, Real surely don’t need him, nor do they play a formation to fit him.

What’s that leave? PSG who just signed Neymar and Mbappe? Bayern who would have to triple their transfer record to sign him?

Rationally speaking, we should evaluate this season by season but right now I think Dybala belongs at Juventus. I think signing a top midfielder must be a priority and one that’s independent of Dybala leaving or staying.

As for Martial, I think that’s a signing which is more of a great opportunity then one of necessity. Could I see Juventus signing Martial and a top midfielder like Sergej to compensate for selling Dybala? Absolutely. It’s our trademark move. Whether it improves us will only show in time but I believe a midfielder like Sergej would instantly raise the level of our starting 11. Martial would definitively end Wingdzukic and in terms of attacking options, we do have many great ones- with or without Dybala.

I’ve flip flopped many times and if he’s sold I’m at peace with it but I hope we do see more of Dybala for Juventus because why not

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Post by salmano9 Sun 1 Apr - 3:32:40

Luca wrote:I think our quality would increase but I would rather see a talent like Dybala stay with our team for a bit longer. There’s really no sign of the market slowing down, this is only his third season with us and he’s still very young. I’m not so romantic about it to imagine him being like Del Piero, retiring with us and having that sort of legacy but I truthfully believe the best place for Dybala is Juventus. He’s not particularly strong nor fast, so that rules out the premier league, which I don’t think would suit him- unless it’s to a Man City type of team.

In Spain, the only choice is Real Madrid. He cannot play with Messi even with the national team. Currently, Real surely don’t need him, nor do they play a formation to fit him.

What’s that leave? PSG who just signed Neymar and Mbappe? Bayern who would have to triple their transfer record to sign him?

Rationally speaking, we should evaluate this season by season but right now I think Dybala belongs at Juventus. I think signing a top midfielder must be a priority and one that’s independent of Dybala leaving or staying.

As for Martial, I think that’s a signing which is more of a great opportunity then one of necessity. Could I see Juventus signing Martial and a top midfielder like Sergej to compensate for selling Dybala? Absolutely. It’s our trademark move. Whether it improves us will only show in time but I believe a midfielder like Sergej would instantly raise the level of our starting 11. Martial would definitively end Wingdzukic and in terms of attacking options, we do have many great ones- with or without Dybala.

I’ve flip flopped many times and if he’s sold I’m at peace with it but I hope we do see more of Dybala for Juventus because why not

True, I agree with what you say. With Martial, I believe that we are linked to him because he has only a year left in his contract and Juve usually pounce on these type of players.

If Dybala was Italian, It would be very hard to see him leave, both for him and for us fans. That is why I am not too worried if he leaves, because it happened in the past with Vidal and Pogba, and we have Berna to fill the gap left by Dybala. Even if you could argue that Bonucci left, I think that Bonucci's case is a bit different and it had to do with his personality.
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Post by Warrior Sun 1 Apr - 6:39:28

Atlético the club whose coming back from a transfer ban and might sell Griezmann. They have a LOT of money to spend. If Atlético is the club who offer the most $$$ i don't see why we shouldn't make business with them. In contrary situation where Dybala remains on the long term he might become our "new Del Piero" and i'll be satisfied as well.

Last summer i've reached a point where i had enough of worrying about players leaving. Bonucci was the final nail in the coffin. Chiello, Barza & Buffon certainly won't leave for a rival. Licht is done anyways. Marchisio, sigh, it's a special case. But Dybala, Pjanic, Higuain, Sandro ?? I won't get sentimental anymore, if they ask to leave then good riddance. We'll reinvest.

Since Marotta took over we are the best selling club in the world, no more no less. Some rival fans will mock us for the "selling" part of the title but who cares, look at where they are. And look at where Juve is... top 5 in Europe year after year.

If Dybala is sold we got enough bills for Sergej AND a B+ full back/sub CM. Or maybe the plan is to reinvest on Martial + top CM ? Who knows... Also i'd bet my shoes that we sell Alex Sandro next summer, so add another 30 millions to juggle with on the market. I'd have a problem if we only buy 2nd tier players... yet everyone knows our management is much more intelligent than that.

In any case i am not worried, Beppe never waste money except for Hernanes and a few other minor operations.
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Post by S Sun 1 Apr - 10:15:27

Beppe practically confirmed Asamoah is leaving.

Lichtsteiner could also be on the move as would Alex Sandro.

We'd need a fullback revolution this summer it seems. We'd need a strong fullback with international experience other than the Spinazzola's and Darmian's which we potentially might bring in as well.

De Sciglio and Spinazzola seem the only two confirmed fullbacks for next season.
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