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Post by The Demon of Carthage Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:56 am

"Cutthroat elite football"? Are we still talking about the same club that drew MGB and lost to Shakhtar at home? That "elite football"?

I, too think Vinicius has been poor, but that's also the case for everybody else bar Ramos and Courtois. So maybe Benzema should take a long, hard look in the mirror before criticizing someone else.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:58 am

Elite football is Champions league

Why do you guys care about this so much? It doesn’t matter whatsoever. Benzema is elite and Vini is not
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:53 am

Richarlison just commented on Benz's insta:

"Tropa do vini. Malvadesa."

Roughly "Meany. Vini squad."

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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:56 am

Nick's key point is what I resonate with. Vinicius is a mere prospect and not a future superstar (unless he somehow stops dribbling into dead-ends) as Real Madrid fans hold high standards infamously and the club does the same, subsequently. He isn't good enough for the team.

Problem is how Benz handled it as that is what must be pointed out. Of course he is nowhere near a leader but it should be directed at him, not whom he said it to.

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Post by farfan Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:13 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Elite football is Champions league

Why do you guys care about this so much? It doesn’t matter whatsoever. Benzema is elite and Vini is not


The habitual Benzema bashers are just annoyed that a player they never rated would have the gall to criticize someone else. Laughing

It was a private conversation between two individuals, in a language that Vinicius doesn't speak. Nobody is getting bullied here.
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:16 am

If Vinicius is actually made of the galactico stuff he wont let it get to his head and simply make a mug out of Benz's fat ass by actually performing. (He wont)
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:24 am

farfan wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Elite football is Champions league

Why do you guys care about this so much? It doesn’t matter whatsoever. Benzema is elite and Vini is not

The habitual Benzema bashers are just annoyed that a player they never rated would have the gall to criticize someone else. Laughing

It was a private conversation between two individuals, in a language that Vinicius doesn't speak. Nobody is getting bullied here.


It was a private conversation, right in front of vini, and cameras for all the world to see...
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Post by farfan Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:33 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
farfan wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Elite football is Champions league

Why do you guys care about this so much? It doesn’t matter whatsoever. Benzema is elite and Vini is not

The habitual Benzema bashers are just annoyed that a player they never rated would have the gall to criticize someone else. Laughing

It was a private conversation between two individuals, in a language that Vinicius doesn't speak. Nobody is getting bullied here.


It was a private conversation, right in front of vini, and cameras for all the world to see...


They obviously didn't expect the conversation to get picked up/leaked. I don't recall many instances where we got to hear what players were saying at half time.

And again, they were murmuring to each other in French. So the pearl-clutching over Vini being there is a bit much.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:54 am

No one should be sympathetic for Vini here, he just needs to do better. He is starting games for Madrid at 19, if he doesn’t do better someone else will take his place and it doesn’t matter what Benzema says. He already struggles to get consecutive games and now Hazard is back.
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Post by titosantill Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:26 am

honestly. it isnt a big deal......until it becomes a big deal.
with teammates in the trenches, imo anyone can say this to anyone regardless of status. not to mention we dont know whether or not benzema told vinicius he was effing up face to face

its only a big deal based on how the parties react, and that's where zidane comes in to smooth everything out should it get to that point. but we have more pressing problems than that. and some of these things its just that the camera catches them and all.

besides mendy still passed to vinicius afterwards, heat of the moment i guess. i'm not saying its great and lovely, but these things happen
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:48 am

farfan wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
farfan wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Elite football is Champions league

Why do you guys care about this so much? It doesn’t matter whatsoever. Benzema is elite and Vini is not

The habitual Benzema bashers are just annoyed that a player they never rated would have the gall to criticize someone else. Laughing

It was a private conversation between two individuals, in a language that Vinicius doesn't speak. Nobody is getting bullied here.


It was a private conversation, right in front of vini, and cameras for all the world to see...


They obviously didn't expect the conversation to get picked up/leaked. I don't recall many instances where we got to hear what players were saying at half time.

And again, they were murmuring to each other in French. So the pearl-clutching over Vini being there is a bit much.

1. Can we not all agree that speaking badly of another person right in front of them in a different language is a dick move? Is this really a controversial statement?

2. Is Benz supposed to get a pass because he was too dumb to notice the cameras?

3. Why is anyone defending Benz after he blackmailed his own teammate ffs? Laughing the guy is trash through and through
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Post by futbol_bill Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:04 am

I can only conclude none of you ever ever played in an elite team setting. Trash and shit talking goes on all the time. I take the comment that Vini has to improve and play more with his teammates. This endless dribbling ending with opposition having ball is useless to team doing better.

If we hear anything about Vini being upset about it, then maybe we can have this discussion.
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Post by Thimmy Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:18 am

Conclusion: Trash talk among team mates is common. Benz added his own ball-less, shady twist to it. No one should be surprised at this point, the guy avoids being direct whenever it’s an option.

It’s unfortunate that this gets leaked out to the public, but it’s also unfortunate that a guy in his 30s who’s not a stranger to being in the media spotlight for the wrong reasons, still doesn’t know how to keep himself out of it.

These things aren’t good for team spirit. Luckily, Benz is a trained professional at apologizing to team mates, at this point in his career.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:35 am

farfan wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:
farfan wrote:

The habitual Benzema bashers are just annoyed that a player they never rated would have the gall to criticize someone else. Laughing

It was a private conversation between two individuals, in a language that Vinicius doesn't speak. Nobody is getting bullied here.


It was a private conversation, right in front of vini, and cameras for all the world to see...


They obviously didn't expect the conversation to get picked up/leaked. I don't recall many instances where we got to hear what players were saying at half time.

And again, they were murmuring to each other in French. So the pearl-clutching over Vini being there is a bit much.


Are the transcriptions correct? Can you tell?
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:45 am

the translations suck. What he says in French is « don’t pass him the ball anymore » that’s something you say when you play with your boys in the park. Same thing with « I swear he is playing against us »

The English translations are literal and tone deaf. I’m pretty sure he was just venting, because you see him explaining things to Vinicius a minute after. He wasn’t telling Mendy to never pass the ball to Vinicius, he was just expressing that Vinicius sucks lol. I have said those words before when playing with people in the park and it would t shock me if people said the same about me lol.
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Post by Nivash Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:25 am

Apparently, it was actually Mendy who said it. Irrespective, they raised it with him directly anyway:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Elsergitoo/status/1321260496926973954


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Post by Adit Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:26 am

Benzema is indeed a coward. Always relying on third party to communicate and this guy is a vice captain. Probably worst VC we ever had. He should remember his own shit days when he was young and how perez basically protected him from getting kicked out of the squad .
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:48 am

Adit wrote:Benzema is indeed a coward. Always relying on third party to communicate and this guy is a vice captain. Probably worst VC we ever had. He should remember his own shit days when he was young and how perez basically protected him from getting kicked out of the squad .
says the guy hiding behind his computer at home, insulting real people to be cowards... lol
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Post by Doc Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:17 pm

You know, the way some of my fellow Madrid posters on the net have written, you'll swear none of them ever played on a side before. This is actually really normal. At any level of the game too.

I'll go so far to say it's probably the "nicest" criticism he'll get on a field too.
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Post by AlphaBeast Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:43 pm

https://youtu.be/BshGEbUzuBc

Ex-Professional footballers all unanimously labelling Benzema an UNPROFESSIONAL c**t.

Whoever here is backing benzema has definitely satisfied by CHAD at settings that shall remain secret.

I understand it's real madrid, and I understand it's extremely competitive especially if ur not performing....

... But... If benzema went up to Vini like a man... And told him ... Hey wake up... Focus... Where's ur head at... Give him instructions... Or even CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.... That's all good ... But talking shit about him behind his back... Not only is he a BULLY... but he is also a COWARD...

Also... For the dumbasses saying benz is a LEGEND or 4 times winner of UCL... LOL it was all due to CR, RAMOS, and that MIDFIELD TRIO at their peak... Oh and keylor... Those are the players who showed up....

When they left or they regressed... We saw be benz's true colors...
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Post by AlphaBeast Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:49 pm

https://youtu.be/gLPpaC11eS0

Separate group of professional footballers.. calling benzema "DISGUSTING"
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Post by sportsczy Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:50 pm

lol... you guys really never played football competitively at any level, have you?

Benz is just frustrated because... well Vini was killing the attacking movements with his low IQ (and maybe selfish) playing. He literally said.

"He's doing whatever he wants! don't play with him brother (and then he says ma mere, which is slang to accentuate). He's playing against us!"

And then he gets over his frustration and goes over to Vini to directly talk to him and get on the same page.

Is this really a controversy? Break out the tissue and diapers for GL looool.
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Post by titosantill Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:28 pm

There is no for or against in this situation. Heat of the moment...vinicius needs to get better, and benzema n mendy need to play their socks off cos if they get off form, it leaves the window open for the same kind of critique

The bigger issue is how uninspiring we are playing. I flip channels during games a lot over the past 2 or 3 yrs and dont even feel like I've missed a thing. Hopefully we can get our act together....I'm not interested in playing in no freaking europa league
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Post by AlphaBeast Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:58 pm

sportsczy wrote:lol... you guys really never played football competitively at any level, have you?

Benz is just frustrated because... well Vini was killing the attacking movements with his low IQ (and maybe selfish) playing. He literally said.

"He's doing whatever he wants! don't play with him brother (and then he says ma mere, which is slang to accentuate). He's playing against us!"

And then he gets over his frustration and goes over to Vini to directly talk to him and get on the same page.


Is this really a controversy? Break out the tissue and diapers for GL looool.


Directly talk to him? Are you blind or choose to be blind?

That coward bully didn't go talk to him, he got no balls like that... he's was talking behind his back like a coward that he is.

He has no balls to go tell Vini "you are not playing for us" or "you are playing against us" ... he's not Ibra, Ramos or CR... he's a coward.

Also.... ex-professional footballers all have denounced benzema live on TV.... so stop acting like you are a player for Lyon and you know everything... people who actually played the sport came out and blasted benzema.






Those TOP LEVEL EX-FOOTBALLERS all blasted benzema... now what?

Go hide now that you have been thoroughly dismissed.
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Post by AlphaBeast Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:09 pm



When Benzema used to score 5 goals a season, and was probably one of the worst strikers in europe, CR used to stand up for him like this....

... kind of wish marcelo, pepe, ronaldo and coentrao would talk shit about benzema in portuguese language... , while his french ass stood there not knowing what they're saying to his face.

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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:53 pm

Funny thing is Mendy was actually worse than Vinicius against BMG snd it's thanks to his lazy ass we had a mountain to climb in the first place. Like I said stones and glasshouses
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