US Presidential Race

Art Morte wrote:

McLewis wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:Phyllis Schlafly just died. These are always interesting moments to measure the temperature.
The level of putrefying bile spewing forth from the left atm is horrendous.
Truly disgusting people, and I'm supposed to believe they're "tolerant"

Do you acknowledge that the same comes from the right-wing?

The right-wing is not painted as tolerant, though. I mean, I don't even know who that Phyllis lass was, but my problem with some of the liberal left-wing people is that they're indeed painted as tolerant and compassionate... but they're really only that with people who agree with them.

The left are as intolerant as the right. Both sides pretending only they are tolerant while the other side isn't, is quite frankly childish and moronic.

As long as that continues, it will be difficult nigh on impossible for truly civil discourse that can institute grassroots change in order for my country to truly get better. I find it frustrating.

The left is portrayed sometimes as "more tolerant" not because of their ability to tolerate conservatives and their viewpoints but because the left tolerates gays, bi, trans, queer, asexual, gender fluid etc people. Or at least it pretends to. They literally "tolerate" more kinds of people. This is not to mention that the left (in the US at least) is also more tolerant of minority friendly policies and tries to "represent" interests of racial minorities more than the right.

Nothing to do with tolerance of differing political opinion, where the left and the right are equally culpable.

DuringTheWar wrote:

VendettaRed07 wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/04/this-photo-of-a-trans-dad-breastfeeding-his-son-tells-a-great-story-of-love-and-acceptance/

People in the comment section scared normal people will see the picture. The picture encapsulates what today's left/progressive politics are mainly about. (I.e. not economic)

Brexit happened largely due to culturally conservative left wing labour voters rejecting the domination of the culturally liberal politics of their supposed representatives. Let's hope the 20% of democrats who identify as conservative have had enough of this shit too.

Posts a blatant hit job on the LGBT community. Continues to rant about how it's liberals who focus nothing on economics.

Perhaps if conservatives were not so obsessively desperate to trash minorities and LGBT at every possible opportunity social issues wouldn't be at the forefront of politics.

Maybe you could stop looking for reasons to hate certain groups of people and we could discuss other things? How about that?

LGBT community is quite a broad category isn't it? Let's be honest and more specific, the "hit job" was on a "man" (by his own admission) having a newborn baby suck his hairy tit. Sorry, not a fan of grotesque child abuse. Maybe an aversion to the grotesque is an atavism, or maybe it's just common sense. Either way, you're obviously without it.

What a fantastic cause célèbra to have! Lmfao (puke)

Now what exactly does this have to do with lesbian women, gay men, or bisexuals, as groups of people?

The only group of people whom on a bad day I could feel "hate" for are liberals, and pedophiles, natural bedfellows. The likes of Edmund Leach, Roy Jenkins, John Mortimor and so forth, hate their ideas. If in any case that overlaps with any other group, you know, a gay liberal, a trans liberal, etc, it's a coincidence.

Bye!

It isn't about the merits of acceptability as to what one person should or should not be doing.

Your agenda as painting all trans people as pedos and gross subhumans is obviously transparent. It is what you believe and you desperately search for whatever you can find and use as confirmation of this. Because you and people such as yourself have no ability to separate individual acts or people that belong to groups you don't associate with. Everyone has to be all this, or all that. Yes, there is an adult conversation to have about the appropriateness of what role trans parents can serve to their children. But it is one you aren't capable of having because it isn't a topic you are even interested in.

So again. Rather than doing whatever you can to paint trans, gay people or immigrants as people being either this or that. Pedos or not "real" men or women, talk about the economy, if that's what you want to talk about so much.

I can tell you why whatever you believe about that is wrong too if you like

VendettaRed07 wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:

VendettaRed07 wrote:


Posts a blatant hit job on the LGBT community. Continues to rant about how it's liberals who focus nothing on economics.

Perhaps if conservatives were not so obsessively desperate to trash minorities and LGBT at every possible opportunity social issues wouldn't be at the forefront of politics.

Maybe you could stop looking for reasons to hate certain groups of people and we could discuss other things? How about that?

LGBT community is quite a broad category isn't it? Let's be honest and more specific, the "hit job" was on a "man" (by his own admission) having a newborn baby suck his hairy tit. Sorry, not a fan of grotesque child abuse. Maybe an aversion to the grotesque is an atavism, or maybe it's just common sense. Either way, you're obviously without it.

What a fantastic cause célèbra to have! Lmfao (puke)

Now what exactly does this have to do with lesbian women, gay men, or bisexuals, as groups of people?

The only group of people whom on a bad day I could feel "hate" for are liberals, and pedophiles, natural bedfellows. The likes of Edmund Leach, Roy Jenkins, John Mortimor and so forth, hate their ideas. If in any case that overlaps with any other group, you know, a gay liberal, a trans liberal, etc, it's a coincidence.

Bye!

It isn't about the merits of acceptability as to what one person should or should not be doing.

Your agenda as painting all trans people as pedos and gross subhumans is obviously transparent. It is what you believe and you desperately search for whatever you can find and use as confirmation of this. Because you and people such as yourself have no ability to separate individual acts or people that belong to groups you don't associate with. Everyone has to be all this, or all that. Yes, there is an adult conversation to have about the appropriateness of what role trans parents can serve to their children. But it is one you aren't capable of having because it isn't a topic you are even interested in.

So again. Rather than doing whatever you can to paint trans, gay people or immigrants as people being either this or that. Pedos or not "real" men or women, talk about the economy, if that's what you want to talk about so much.

I can tell you why whatever you believe about that is wrong too if you like

Don't be silly, I didn't say anything about transsexuals being pedophiles. I will say that the fanatically anti-puritanical streak in liberalism makes plenty of liberals very pedo friendly though. That's not even a smear, I just read what they write. I know the liberal God of sexology, Alfred Kinsey, collected tables full of data measuring to the nearest tenth of a second or so how long it takes babies to, allegedly, ejaculate while being masturbated, in an effort to prove children are sexual from birth, I've read psychologist Jesse Bering's book "Pervert" and know he recommends legalising the viewership of child pornography, I know it's not very long ago since some liberal European countries had in fact made the production of child pornography legal.

I believe it's pretty well established and documented the connections that exist between liberalism and pedophilia, it's just too socially unacceptable amongst moderates for them to campagin about it.

Apparently Trump is leading Clinton in the new CNN poll. This is crazy, for the sake of global sanity, this idiot can't win.

This is what you get when you elect one of the most hated, un-trustworthy & unelectable & corrupt candidate in a generation.

The Democrats have to take responsibility if Trump wins.

The stuff with the email where she abused & now the Foundation is disgusting. I mean she is still money from Saudi n all these people with the emails exposing her selling her time for all those money.

The Foundation which was originally meant to cure diseases & contribute positively has turned into stinking pill of mud slinging instruments. More than half of the expenses are administrative with Clinton's siphoning money out for themselves & their pals. The long line of collusion in the State Department for appointments & rehabilitation in Clinton foundation for Clinton loyalists is disturbing. I feel very sad that this thing was started with probably a noble cause & did probably some decent work which is not being acknowledged.

Sooner or later you have to take a stand, you can't cheat the people at every second. TPP is the latest example, she is lying through her teeth on that issue. Even immigration, more videos are coming our with Hillary asking for a wall, Bill Clinton asking illegal aliens to be thrown out & Hillary working extra hard so that drivers license are denied.

This stuff takes any authenticity from her.

However good or bad she is, I hope she is elected, the kind of damage the monster Trump will create is unprecedented. But I am confident in any country with more political consciousness & less dumb people, people like Hillary will never be elected - She can never get elected in Germany or France IMO.

I hope there is a Democratic Senate which looks very possible considering the blue brigade need only like 4-5 seats to flip & they are defending only 1 tough seat while the GOP is defending almost a dozen very difficult seats. There is no logic to not flip the Senate. And hopefully a hugely improved showing in the House if not a Blue House.

That is paramount. You can get nothing done with Republicans in the house. And I hope more progressives like Zephyr Teachout & Pramila Jayapal win their primaries & strengthen the progressive wing of the Democratic party which honestly was dead for a long time apart from stray people like Warren or Paul Wellstone

Sri wrote:

its crazy how much support people like trump ukip and Alternative for Germany party have got. more and more people are supporting these.

It's only crazy if you think the human condition is crazy.

I'm not really concerned about the race tightening. This happens with elections as it gets closer to election day and you always expected a couple of things from Hillary to resurface (and they did).

The debate is on the 26th--the race can tighten as much as it wants until then, I'm pretty sure that day is when Hillary starts to--perhaps not run away with it, but gain and maintain a safe lead and ride it all the way to election day.

That new CNN poll is very odd. Apparently it underweights independents and didn't poll enough millenials to poll them accurately (while the margin of error as a whole is +-3, for millenials it was +-9), probably because it used landlines and who owns those anymore? So as a result it hurts both Clinton and Johnson, and benefits Trump (who some polls show has single digit support in the 18-24 category).

It's a true shame because it's one of the 5 polls used to decide whether Johnson makes it to the debate, and I for one would like to see him at least in the 1st one.

Bernie would have destroyed Hillary performance wise. The dems could easily pay the price for nominating Clinton.

No way. Honestly, sanders doesn't have the blemishes of Hillary. You may not agree with him but he's not a corporate whore like her.

The emails are doing a number on her but I think she will win narrowly. The fact that the race is close makes me really question what kind of people we have in this country. I understand if your conservative and you don't agree with Hillary but you can't vote for that piece of shit trump.

FennecFox7 wrote:No way. Honestly, sanders doesn't have the blemishes of Hillary. You may not agree with him but he's not a corporate whore like her.

The emails are doing a number on her but I think she will win narrowly. The fact that the race is close makes me really question what kind of people we have in this country. I understand if your conservative and you don't agree with Hillary but you can't vote for that piece of shit trump.

Sanders also doesnt have the minority, and crossover, support Hillary would have in the south though.

Hillary was a first lady in the south, and was married to the last democrat to have any sort of success in this country. No way a person who calls himself a socialist would do as well as her down here. The only plus would be the fact the fact that he wouldnt have to spend 13 minutes answering questions about his email like Hillary had to at the town hall last night. He would have to answer 13 minutes of questions about Socialism, and answer to an electorate that mostly lived during the cold war, and who equates socialism with communism and the soviet union.

I was gobsmacked when I heard this.

That said, he recovered better from it than both Hillary and Trump. No excuse for not being able to answer this question when asked, but he handled the fallout of it rather well. If his chances at winning weren't already non-existent, I'd say this may not hurt him much.

Pretty embarassing stuff. Today Gary's campaign should have been about Romney's quasi-endorsement rather than where Aleppo is. That being said I think his statement made him look quite good in comparison to the two other candidates who refuse to admit mistakes:

Statement from Gary Johnson:

This morning, I began my day by setting aside any doubt that I’m human. Yes, I understand the dynamics of the Syrian conflict -- I talk about them every day. But hit with “What about Aleppo?”, I immediately was thinking about an acronym, not the Syrian conflict. I blanked. It happens, and it will happen again during the course of this campaign.

Can I name every city in Syria? No. Should I have identified Aleppo? Yes. Do I understand its significance? Yes.

As Governor, there were many things I didn’t know off the top of my head. But I succeeded by surrounding myself with the right people, getting to the bottom of important issues, and making principled decisions. It worked. That is what a President must do.

That would begin, clearly, with daily security briefings that, to me, will be fundamental to the job of being President.

Also, for what it's worth, neither does the NYT

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Betty La Fea wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:No way. Honestly, sanders doesn't have the blemishes of Hillary. You may not agree with him but he's not a corporate whore like her.

The emails are doing a number on her but I think she will win narrowly. The fact that the race is close makes me really question what kind of people we have in this country. I understand if your conservative and you don't agree with Hillary but you can't vote for that piece of shit trump.

Sanders also doesnt have the minority, and crossover, support Hillary would have in the south though.

Hillary was a first lady in the south, and was married to the last democrat to have any sort of success in this country. No way a person who calls himself a socialist would do as well as her down here. The only plus would be the fact the fact that he wouldnt have to spend 13 minutes answering questions about his email like Hillary had to at the town hall last night. He would have to answer 13 minutes of questions about Socialism, and answer to an electorate that mostly lived during the cold war, and who equates socialism with communism and the soviet union.

On a general election Sanders would have been the most electable Democratic candidate in a generation. It is not even a debate.

Firstly The Democrats won't win any of those southern states which will be GOP Landslides like every year. Secondly the Black community vote for Dems like 90 or 88 or 92%. Even if you stand on the Dem ticket you will as much of the vote.

Sanders is very strong among in the Hispanic Vote winning it many states from Colorado to Illinois to Nevada (Hillary won in many states). Obviously Sanders' best demographic is the Asian American (even better than Whites).

Now why is Sanders electable -

Hillary has 0 Cross-over support. Sanders was winning 60-70% of Republicans voting in Dem Primary in Open Primaries.

But most of all he was winning 70-80% of the Independent Vote. He was winning 80-90% of the young vote. Those are solid constituencies you need to do well.

Hillary's vote is the same vote every Democratic candidate has ever had. She has no appeal outside it.

If this was Kasich this would be over for the Dems, a sweep for the GOP - Hillary is by far the most UNELECTABLE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE in the last 40-50 years.

The Socialism issue is dead n buried. He was winning every poll vs Kasich or Trump or Cruz in double digits. Today gallup polls are showing youngsters in US hate Capitalism as much as Socialism.

If that issue was big then he would have not done such well with the white vote n the hispanic vote & among independents for whom these matter - The Blacks are the last group for whom Socialism means anything - They just vote for the established Democratic candidate blindly

CBarca wrote:I'm not really concerned about the race tightening. This happens with elections as it gets closer to election day and you always expected a couple of things from Hillary to resurface (and they did).

The debate is on the 26th--the race can tighten as much as it wants until then, I'm pretty sure that day is when Hillary starts to--perhaps not run away with it, but gain and maintain a safe lead and ride it all the way to election day.

After seeing the Townhall I think Trump may well be President. He is a MUCH BETTER debater than Hillary who lies & looks like a complete fraud. Trump is a master manipulator & a very clever guy who twists questions.

Look at the forum, he made outrageous things like women should be kept separate n he knows more than generals n somehow he linked that to rapes n Obama's policies & made a ridiculous statement like the intel briefs showing Obama doesn't listen to advise n what not.

N he sounded less robotic & when he said 22, there was atleast 1 drop of empathy when he correct the 20 deaths per day, look at the reaction of that Republican women.

For me the biggest issue is Climate Change & this fraud does not even acknowledge the existence & I am seriously worried about the damage a Trump presidency could do. This is serious sh**.

I mean forget the emails, look at the horrible trade deals, the Clinton foundation Scandal, Iraq & Libya - Hillary has got so many issues - I mean if any Trump does not screw up it will be very hard for Hillary!

footyfan01 wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:No way. Honestly, sanders doesn't have the blemishes of Hillary. You may not agree with him but he's not a corporate whore like her.

The emails are doing a number on her but I think she will win narrowly. The fact that the race is close makes me really question what kind of people we have in this country. I understand if your conservative and you don't agree with Hillary but you can't vote for that piece of shit trump.

Sanders also doesnt have the minority, and crossover, support Hillary would have in the south though.

Hillary was a first lady in the south, and was married to the last democrat to have any sort of success in this country. No way a person who calls himself a socialist would do as well as her down here. The only plus would be the fact the fact that he wouldnt have to spend 13 minutes answering questions about his email like Hillary had to at the town hall last night. He would have to answer 13 minutes of questions about Socialism, and answer to an electorate that mostly lived during the cold war, and who equates socialism with communism and the soviet union.

On a general election Sanders would have been the most electable Democratic candidate in a generation. It is not even a debate.

Firstly The Democrats won't win any of those southern states which will be GOP Landslides like every year. Secondly the Black community vote for Dems like 90 or 88 or 92%. Even if you stand on the Dem ticket you will as much of the vote.

Sanders is very strong among in the Hispanic Vote winning it many states from Colorado to Illinois to Nevada (Hillary won in many states). Obviously Sanders' best demographic is the Asian American (even better than Whites).

Now why is Sanders electable -

Hillary has 0 Cross-over support. Sanders was winning 60-70% of Republicans voting in Dem Primary in Open Primaries.

But most of all he was winning 70-80% of the Independent Vote. He was winning 80-90% of the young vote. Those are solid constituencies you need to do well.

Hillary's vote is the same vote every Democratic candidate has ever had. She has no appeal outside it.

If this was Kasich this would be over for the Dems, a sweep for the GOP - Hillary is by far the most UNELECTABLE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE in the last 40-50 years.

The Socialism issue is dead n buried. He was winning every poll vs Kasich or Trump or Cruz in double digits. Today gallup polls are showing youngsters in US hate Capitalism as much as Socialism.

If that issue was big then he would have not done such well with the white vote n the hispanic vote & among independents for whom these matter - The Blacks are the last group for whom Socialism means anything - They just vote for the established Democratic candidate blindly

Hillary won the significant Asian vote in large Asian areas everywhere outside of Hawaii, and Hawaii is a special case where Asians are the majority and don't live under the constant spectre of white Supremacy the way we do on the continental USA. How different would their vote be if they lived next to people who didnt think they were people(the way we do down here in Georgia), and then had a candidate coming along promising the moon by taking more out of their paycheck while supporting programs(Affirmative Action in college being one...which I do support) who takes spots from their kids to give to white women? The Hispanic vote was negligible, although Hillary did win the latino vote in Florida, which is a southern state that will vote democrat.

You say Socialism only matters to blacks, but Univision called out Sanders on socialism, and his nice words about Castro. It matters to a lot of people, and even more so Chinese Americans who don't want to live under That anymore(Which is why Hillary won EVERY Chinese district of New York City), and why she won the Chinese vote in 08 when people were scared Obama was a socialist.

Young people don't vote in large enough numbers to really be a changing factor, and the primary proved that. Sanders was done in some states by kids on spring break who wouldnt even stop their vacation for their revolution. That was shameful.

You are right that he would get more of the honest independent vote, but the question remains who is REALLY independent? A lot of so called independents are people who vote along party lines, but don't actually want to commit to being part of one party.

Betty La Fea wrote:

footyfan01 wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Sanders also doesnt have the minority, and crossover, support Hillary would have in the south though.

Hillary was a first lady in the south, and was married to the last democrat to have any sort of success in this country. No way a person who calls himself a socialist would do as well as her down here. The only plus would be the fact the fact that he wouldnt have to spend 13 minutes answering questions about his email like Hillary had to at the town hall last night. He would have to answer 13 minutes of questions about Socialism, and answer to an electorate that mostly lived during the cold war, and who equates socialism with communism and the soviet union.

On a general election Sanders would have been the most electable Democratic candidate in a generation. It is not even a debate.

Firstly The Democrats won't win any of those southern states which will be GOP Landslides like every year. Secondly the Black community vote for Dems like 90 or 88 or 92%. Even if you stand on the Dem ticket you will as much of the vote.

Sanders is very strong among in the Hispanic Vote winning it many states from Colorado to Illinois to Nevada (Hillary won in many states). Obviously Sanders' best demographic is the Asian American (even better than Whites).

Now why is Sanders electable -

Hillary has 0 Cross-over support. Sanders was winning 60-70% of Republicans voting in Dem Primary in Open Primaries.

But most of all he was winning 70-80% of the Independent Vote. He was winning 80-90% of the young vote. Those are solid constituencies you need to do well.

Hillary's vote is the same vote every Democratic candidate has ever had. She has no appeal outside it.

If this was Kasich this would be over for the Dems, a sweep for the GOP - Hillary is by far the most UNELECTABLE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE in the last 40-50 years.

The Socialism issue is dead n buried. He was winning every poll vs Kasich or Trump or Cruz in double digits. Today gallup polls are showing youngsters in US hate Capitalism as much as Socialism.

If that issue was big then he would have not done such well with the white vote n the hispanic vote & among independents for whom these matter - The Blacks are the last group for whom Socialism means anything - They just vote for the established Democratic candidate blindly

Hillary won the significant Asian vote in large Asian areas everywhere outside of Hawaii, and Hawaii is a special case where Asians are the majority and don't live under the constant spectre of white Supremacy the way we do on the continental USA. How different would their vote be if they lived next to people who didnt think they were people(the way we do down here in Georgia), and then had a candidate coming along promising the moon by taking more out of their paycheck while supporting programs(Affirmative Action in college being one...which I do support) who takes spots from their kids to give to white women? The Hispanic vote was negligible, although Hillary did win the latino vote in Florida, which is a southern state that will vote democrat.

You say Socialism only matters to blacks, but Univision called out Sanders on socialism, and his nice words about Castro. It matters to a lot of people, and even more so Chinese Americans who don't want to live under That anymore(Which is why Hillary won EVERY Chinese district of New York City), and why she won the Chinese vote in 08 when people were scared Obama was a socialist.

Young people don't vote in large enough numbers to really be a changing factor, and the primary proved that. Sanders was done in some states by kids on spring break who wouldnt even stop their vacation for their revolution. That was shameful.

You are right that he would get more of the honest independent vote, but the question remains who is REALLY independent? A lot of so called independents are people who vote along party lines, but don't actually want to commit to being part of one party.

I said Socialism is least relevant to Blacks. It should matter the most to Hispanics, Whites & Asian Americans. I know 100's of Asians.

Do you know the result of the Democrats abroad Primary?

Japan - Around 90%
India - Around 75%
Cambodia - Around 80%
Taiwan - Around 80%
South Korea - Around 85-90%

He swept everywhere with 67% odd votes but Democrats living in Asian countries went for Sanders in a landslide.

Hawaii is the largest state with a mix, diverse Asian american population. It is also Obama's birthplace. Sanders swept the place with 70% +.

Dearborn, Michigan is full or Arabs & Persian Muslims. It went for Sanders at 70%. Apart from Hawaii which is Asian American majority, Asian American population is big in small parts of California, Washington state, etc & you can look at the results. I have county wise results. Sanders did not go below 40% in a single area with a large Asian American population.

What I find it is particularly odd - The candidate who was slandered by Univision with cutting clips out from 30 years which was not even a praise for Castro (If you see the video it was completely different & about US wars of invasions) - the candidate who should effect Hispanics the most was getting close to 50% of the Hispanic vote or winning the Hispanic. And the White vote which decides the election.


At the end of the days Blacks would go for Democrats between 88-92% odd, Hispanics would go say 25-40% odd & Asian Americans 25-40% odd (& Asian Americans is absolutely insignificant statistically).

The margin of the race will be decided by 70% of the electorate which is White who go for the GOP in a big way. Clinton is absolutely struggling here.

And if this monster Trump gets elected, you can come up with excuses n try to reason with yourself, but all the Democrats who blindly voted for Clinton have to take the blame for what will follow

Interesting. Clinton calls 50% of  Trump supporters "deplorables" and they got absolutely apoplectic about it, asking for her apology. Video here.

Yet Trump manages to offend over 50% of the entire population and yet somehow they don't feel he should apologize for that.

To me, this was Clinton taking the gloves off, just as Trump did months back. It's not a good look for her and it definitely hurt her, but the moaning and complaining from the right about this would only be simply disingenuous if it wasn't so damn amusing.

I do not like Clinton and there's every chance I likely won't vote for her, but this double-standard that she's held to is stupid. Period.

This whole election cycle has just depressed me

The candidates, the piss poor journalism. The chance we end up with trump. The chance for a conservative SCOTUS. People not caring what *bleep* stupid things trump says. Going to leave the voting booth feeling like a pos for voting for someone like Hillary.

Just want it to be over with.

footyfan01 wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

footyfan01 wrote:

On a general election Sanders would have been the most electable Democratic candidate in a generation. It is not even a debate.

Firstly The Democrats won't win any of those southern states which will be GOP Landslides like every year. Secondly the Black community vote for Dems like 90 or 88 or 92%. Even if you stand on the Dem ticket you will as much of the vote.

Sanders is very strong among in the Hispanic Vote winning it many states from Colorado to Illinois to Nevada (Hillary won in many states). Obviously Sanders' best demographic is the Asian American (even better than Whites).

Now why is Sanders electable -

Hillary has 0 Cross-over support. Sanders was winning 60-70% of Republicans voting in Dem Primary in Open Primaries.

But most of all he was winning 70-80% of the Independent Vote. He was winning 80-90% of the young vote. Those are solid constituencies you need to do well.

Hillary's vote is the same vote every Democratic candidate has ever had. She has no appeal outside it.

If this was Kasich this would be over for the Dems, a sweep for the GOP - Hillary is by far the most UNELECTABLE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE in the last 40-50 years.

The Socialism issue is dead n buried. He was winning every poll vs Kasich or Trump or Cruz in double digits. Today gallup polls are showing youngsters in US hate Capitalism as much as Socialism.

If that issue was big then he would have not done such well with the white vote n the hispanic vote & among independents for whom these matter - The Blacks are the last group for whom Socialism means anything - They just vote for the established Democratic candidate blindly

Hillary won the significant Asian vote in large Asian areas everywhere outside of Hawaii, and Hawaii is a special case where Asians are the majority and don't live under the constant spectre of white Supremacy the way we do on the continental USA. How different would their vote be if they lived next to people who didnt think they were people(the way we do down here in Georgia), and then had a candidate coming along promising the moon by taking more out of their paycheck while supporting programs(Affirmative Action in college being one...which I do support) who takes spots from their kids to give to white women?  The Hispanic vote was negligible, although Hillary did win the latino vote in Florida, which is a southern state that will vote democrat.

You say Socialism only matters to blacks, but Univision called out Sanders on socialism, and his nice words about Castro. It matters to a lot of people, and even more so Chinese Americans who don't want to live under That anymore(Which is why Hillary won EVERY Chinese district of New York City), and why she won the Chinese vote in 08 when people were scared Obama was a socialist.

Young people don't vote in large enough numbers to really be a changing factor, and the primary proved that. Sanders was done in some states by kids on spring break who wouldnt even stop their vacation for their revolution. That was shameful.

You are right that he would get more of the honest independent vote, but the question remains who is REALLY independent? A lot of so called independents are people who vote along party lines, but don't actually want to commit to being part of one party.

I said Socialism is least relevant to Blacks. It should matter the most to Hispanics, Whites & Asian Americans. I know 100's of Asians.

Do you know the result of the Democrats abroad Primary?

Japan - Around 90%
India  - Around 75%
Cambodia - Around 80%
Taiwan - Around 80%
South Korea - Around 85-90%

He swept everywhere with 67% odd votes but Democrats living in Asian countries went for Sanders in a landslide.

Hawaii is the largest state with a mix, diverse Asian american population. It is also Obama's birthplace. Sanders swept the place with 70% +.

Dearborn, Michigan is full or Arabs & Persian Muslims. It went for Sanders at 70%. Apart from Hawaii which is Asian American majority, Asian American population is big in small parts of California, Washington state, etc & you can look at the results. I have county wise results. Sanders did not go below 40% in a single area with a large Asian American population.

What I find it is particularly odd - The candidate who was slandered by Univision with cutting clips out from 30 years which was not even a praise for Castro (If you see the video it was completely different & about US wars of invasions) - the candidate who should effect Hispanics the most was getting close to 50% of the Hispanic vote or winning the Hispanic. And the White vote which decides the election.


At the end of the days Blacks would go for Democrats between 88-92% odd, Hispanics would go say 25-40% odd & Asian Americans 25-40% odd (& Asian Americans is absolutely insignificant statistically).

The margin of the race will be decided by 70% of the electorate which is White who go for the GOP in a big way. Clinton is absolutely struggling here.

And if this monster Trump gets elected, you can come up with excuses n try to reason with yourself, but all the Democrats who blindly voted for Clinton have to take the blame for what will follow

How much of those American citizens voting in democratic primaries in Asia are actually Asian-American citizens?

From what I have seen at the US embassy in Japan large number of people registering there are white American English teachers. I wouldnt be shocked if that is the majority of the vote he is getting throughout Asia.

The sad part is that Obama had big wins over both Romney & McCain & the GOP was getting the message that they have to be more inclusive.

And since then more young people democrat minded have come into the voting age (Democrats sweep young voters) & the minority population is increasing.

You have Trump on the other hand who is doing record lows among minorities & among sub-urban woman.

And still Clinton is losing in Polls Obama states like Ohio, Florida in many polls - these are polls Obama won soundly. This is crazy - She is losing Battleground states.

This is not just about the Presidential race, but down-ballot races. Senate & House races will be decided by the margin of Clinton & Trump.

If Clinton can get a 6-7% victory atleast like Obama did, then there is a good chance the Senate & maybe even the House will flip. Democrats have barely controlled the House in the last 15 years apart from small periods.

Against Trump, this is a golden chance that you get a Democrat controlled House & Senate & actually get stuff done!

Heard Hillary had to leave the memorial service due to health issues. Is she really ok?