Transfer Rumours | Tactics | Who to buy/sell etc

titosantill wrote:60 million's too much for gomez, 75 million for morata is insane, i don't want to believe there's someone out there willing to part with 75 million to sign....morata? morata's about a fifth of that price if you ask me. i won't mind selling for that price and investing that money elsewhere, i think the dilemma is where and for who?

i expected a vibrant market, but the market seems strange, guys who are top notch are not moving or are too expensive; the other talent available aren't all that. i can't believe we're really looking at coentrao for back up. an injury prone back up and an injury prone starter.

for anyone who followed juventus last season; did morata really have a good season to be associated with these transfer figures i'm hearing? cos (i hope i'm wrong on this) i don't see him doing anything magical here, and he could be sold for way less at the end of the season....you have to be desperate to consider paying that much for him. was he even a starter last season?

Some people are now saying that a player is only worth what the seller is asking and what the buyer is prepared to offer.

A statement that holds water within the banking system, but becomes nonsensical in reality. And as a result, you have strikers who aren't even good enough to start being highly touted for 75m, and a midfielder who's not even worth 60m being sold for twice that amount.

You said it perfectly, the top notch players are already in the big clubs and are unsellable, and the market is being inflated by unproven players.

sportsczy wrote:60 mil for Andre Gomes... you have to be joking  He's a mid-table level midfielder and nothing more ffs.

He is actually lesser than Illarramendi in terms of ability.

60 million for an excuse of a midfielder when there is a 50m euro Joao Mario who is not only better, but also can provide defensive boost to the midfield. I was impressed with Joao Mario's workrate for portugal. we could use such workrate to help Modric and Casemiro.

Perhaps Zidane sees something in him that we do not... We'll see.

Morata is indeed worth what we are willing to accept. But that offer is too high to be true, i know conte loves him but he is not going to make Chelsea spend 75 mil. Just as if it was true i have 0 doubts he would have been sold. Most likely the offers we got for him are not high enough to help us sign a better player on the crazy market we have now.

Turok_TTZ wrote:

sportsczy wrote:60 mil for Andre Gomes... you have to be joking  He's a mid-table level midfielder and nothing more ffs.

He is actually lesser than Illarramendi in terms of ability.

60 million for an excuse of a midfielder when there is a 50m euro Joao Mario who is not only better, but also can provide defensive boost to the midfield. I was impressed with Joao Mario's workrate for portugal. we could use such workrate to help Modric and Casemiro.

Perhaps Zidane sees something in him that we do not... We'll see.

the problem is that you are talking out of your arae again after watching a few games in the euros.

If we go by euros performance we need to get rid of CR asap

Dont forget he is a former atletico youth lol

Considering they have a bid rejected for Higuain its not unnatural that they have bid for Morata. We wont sell him though. The market is so deprived of strikers now its unbelievable. Hacks like Bacca and Benteke are going for 30 million minimum, 28 year old Higuain has a 60 million plus two players bid rejected. Any one who can score goals will get you millions in todays market.

Atletico have been trying to sign Costa and its not working so they might have offered something for Morata. Just as Chelsea might have been waiting to sell Costa to go after Morata. Still a month or so left in this window.

halamadrid2 wrote:He played for our B team alot longer than he did at Atleti. Maybe he is not like Carvajal but I would definitely class him as one of our own. When Atleti lets a guy go to Getafe B they don't really rate him

The man didn't even want to come back to Madrid lol
Wouldn't surprise me in the least

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Turok_TTZ wrote:

sportsczy wrote:60 mil for Andre Gomes... you have to be joking  He's a mid-table level midfielder and nothing more ffs.

He is actually lesser than Illarramendi in terms of ability.

60 million for an excuse of a midfielder when there is a 50m euro Joao Mario who is not only better, but also can provide defensive boost to the midfield. I was impressed with Joao Mario's workrate for portugal. we could use such workrate to help Modric and Casemiro.

Perhaps Zidane sees something in him that we do not... We'll see.

 the problem is that you are talking out of your arse again after watching a few games in the euros.

If we go by euros performance we need to get rid of CR asap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY
Why don't you practice what you preach nick? Is this something that is extremely difficult for you to do? If it is, say so now as your own post betrays you. At least this time around you made it to two sentences instead of one so for that I congratulate you.

Real Madrid and Portugal NT are two very different teams. CR7 has much more superior supporting cast with Real Madrid to help unleash his game properly. I thought CR7 had a good tournament all things considered. What justification can one get from the EURO 2016 that suggests we need to get rid of CR7? I see none.

The EURO 2016 like its predecessors is one of the highest stages to perform in football. I said it before it began, stars or certain players who can stand out can be made there. Joao mario impressed me a great deal for portugal. If he could perform in the EURO, one of the highest levels of footy... why not can he perform here in madrid? Remember Toni Kroos didnt really establish himself till after that world cup triumph. that world cup was the reason we signed him. A wise decision that was.

Andre gomes impresses me not. He had a neat flash in the pan goal against us last season but beyond that, he is not needed. provides nothing that our current mids cannot already do nor has a performance that makes him stand out. Illarramendi is more talented but it is as I said many times before: Mental > Talent and with regards to this overrated 60m punk, we can do better with 60m euros and that is the problem. Dude isnt even the first sub for portugal, let alone the starting eleven. Moutinho is ahead of him in the sub order. Andre Gomes WAS starting in the beginning of the EURO 2016 but over time, lost his place and relegated to the bench. Was left on the bench for the final. Did you not watch the EURO 2016, nick? He ultimately was not good enough for Portugal toward the end. and if he's not good enough that Moutinho is ahead of him now... Is he even remotely good enough to be one of our backups? I reckon Zidane should consider giving one of our academy players a shot first. could use more spanish blood. Plus he has that son of his, Enzo. Zidane bloomed late, maybe the same with him.

Meanwhile, it seems Morata's place on the team is not understood and Morata wants clarification. wtf is going on at Real Madrid? we resigned him but not told him exactly where he stood? kek.

What a slow summer this has been. no urgency at Real Madrid. It seems like we're content with no backup for Casemiro. that is quite troubling. or maybe youth is the answer for that?

halamadrid2 wrote:@Falcaopunch, Tbh he wasnt exactly treated very nicely when he was with us. I can understand the animosity and the scepticism. At this point he needs playing time which was absent from Mou's and Carlo's ditionaries but with Zizou he will get plenty of time

That is what we are all hoping for I think. We will see soon enough.

halamadrid2 wrote:@Falcaopunch, Tbh he wasnt exactly treated very nicely when he was with us. I can understand the animosity and the scepticism. At this point he needs playing time which was absent from Mou's and Carlo's ditionaries but with Zizou he will get plenty of time

Yup, spot on. This was what I was hinting at with my post. I'd very much like him to stay and get playing time. I just wouldn't be surprised if he considers Atletico an option.

futbol_bill wrote:Fickle fans! Pogba coming upset most here as it might upset a starter (Kroos or Casemiro)

And now that they seem set on same starters, seems everyone is questioning possible backups as they don't seem good enough to start!

And most seem to question this Zidane idea of loaning out young talent that won't get a lot of minutes to allow them to get minutes and further develop.

With regard to Gomes, should the more appropriate question be is he a better, more developed backup than Kovacic!

With Morata, the appropriate questions should be is he a viable option to give Benz the relief that he so desperately needs and is he a better, more developed option as a multi purpose forward backup than Jese!

60 mil for a backup sounds legit

Kovacic is a much better player then gomes. Like much better

any news on what we're planning to do with james? 80 million for a player who isn't deemed good enough to play in the ucl finals. zidane, a shrink, his wife, all need to sit that boy down and get him focused, with a possible transfer ban looming and us not really going into the market, i'm not sure a sale will be wise (even though i wanted us to sell him once the season was over) isco, i don't really care for, i still don't know what that guy's good at.

Oh gosh i forgot abt those text walls

CR football wise was very average for portugal, certainly lookee nothing like "the best player in the world". Groezmann played far better as an example...

Euros were a shit show of compact teams playing not to concede. I have seen Gomes in more competitive games in club and to me he is comfortably better. And we sign Kroos based of his club form not world cup lol. James? World cup form, diff

I dont really care about what portugal did or how they played. If we go by that tournment logic what should we say about moussa sissoko lol.

You say Gomes brings nothing new? Tell me which madrid midfielder can power run through a CB like pepe and i mean run shoulder to shoulder push him aside and outrun him. Just dont tell me show me as well cause i have video evidence of Gomes bullying our midfielders. He is not perfect but to say that he does nothing better than our midfielders is lol. The guy singlehandily wrecked Isco kroos modric in la liga lol

I dont like the price but lets not make up stuff to downplay how good he is

So because he's a strong midfield who can tussle for the ball, we should rate him. I'm not saying he's bad, I don't think he's bad at all actually, but let's stop rating players based on their strength and physical ability. It gets tiring.