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Post by Sina Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:03 pm



agree

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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:14 pm

Don't agree at all. If we win the EL and get into the CL, we will have another shitty campaign where we get embarrassed, what is actually the point?

With a new manager, the way we play can change-- even without massive squad changes.

Anyway we will absolutely not win the EL with Wenger in charge, I'm pretty sure we won't get past Milan let alone someone like Atletico.

If our board members had real ambition to get back into the CL they would sack Wenger NOW and appoint a new manager in the hopes that we can do a Di Matteo and win the competition based on togetherness and change.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:17 pm

Nah Arsene is leaving this summer regardless IMO

Best scenario possible

Win EL
New Manager in the summer
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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:22 pm

RealGunner wrote:Nah Arsene is leaving this summer regardless IMO

Best scenario possible

Win EL
New Manager in the summer


This would be great but if Wenger somehow manages to win the EL he will 100% sign a new contract and our board will be happy to give it. The man is obsessed about winning the CL which is why he has prolonged his career and obsessed about getting into CL all this time.

We need to get rid of the cancer as soon as possible, the longer he stays the more it will spread.
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Post by Jay29 Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:23 pm

I can't think of a single reason for Wenger to stay. EL or no, this squad desperately needs new direction. What's an extra year going to accomplish, if not more decline and apathy?

He should be sacked now, nevermind staying another year.

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Post by Sina Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:33 pm

rebuilding would be way more difficult without CL footie
its about picking one scenario over other
None that are ideal
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Post by Jay29 Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:02 pm

I don't buy that entirely seeing as we just spent over £100m on two of Europe's most prolific strikers. CL isn't the deal breaker it used to be.


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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:11 pm

We don't need a complete overhaul either, most of our players right now are just not motivated and/or coached well enough but there's talent in this squad.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:12 pm

need a new back 4

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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:32 pm

I think we would look much better defensively under a different manager so I wouldn't blame our defenders too much. If there's one thing that can be coached, it's the defence and I don't think Wenger knows how to properly defend, he never did.

Sure you can't do anything about Mustafi's brainfarts but you only have to look at the goals we conceded against City to see that there's no defensive culture at the club. Especially the third goal when we tried to "press" them, no organisation, just mindless running and panic. That all comes from the manager because it's a trait that has been happening for years, before any of these defenders were at the club.
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Post by Jay29 Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:42 pm

We'd struggle even with a better manager. Improved structure will help, but it's not going to compensate for the lack of quality back there. Between Koscielny, Mustafi, Chambers and Holding only Koscielny is good enough, and he'll be 33 and declining anyway.

Factor in a new right back (maybe two if Bellerin goes to Juve) and a left back (Monreal's good, Kolasinac looks more like Andre Santos by the game) as well as a new keeper. The defence definitely requires the most investment.

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Post by urbaNRoots Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:02 pm

Honestly I've stopped thinking about who we need to sell and keep. First and foremost we need a new manager who can decide for himself what he needs.

Which is why want Wenger sacked now rather than in the summer, I think it would be truly interesting to see what someone like Marco Silva or Ancelotti could do with the same squad until the end of the season. I truly believe we would see immediate improvement on all aspects, even defence without any transfers.

Maybe I'm wrong but it would certainly be more interesting than watching the same shit all over again.

Waiting until the summer is completely pointless, at that point you don't only have to decide who the new manager should be but there won't even be enough time to decide which players are just bad and which ones are mismanaged.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:06 am

RealGunner wrote:need a new back 4



Mislintat just bought you some Greek supertalent CB whom Wenger refused to loan out but still won't play
Koscielny is a top 10 CB in the world, just not performing this season

Spends 55m € on Lacazette in summer, only to spend 80m € on Aubameyang in winter.

Meanwhile, we spent 12m € on Sandro Wagner from Hoffenheim.
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Post by Chumlum Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:49 pm

I'm of two minds about the next manager, whoever & whenever it is.

The right manager, with proper support, would almost definitely be able to get the majority of Arsenal's underperforming squad back around their previous individual bests. And the right manager would tweak tactics enough e.g. to get service to Auba, to not get caught sleeping and appeal for a foul on every defensive play, etc.

On the other hand, I am kinda skeptical of the board's ability to identify, recruit, appoint, and really support the "right" boss. I'm bracing for some chaotic seasons ahead, just in case.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:17 pm

Jardim is an easy and obvious choice.
He can fail or not work out too well just like any other, but he is absolutely a choice that can be made with conviction and a clear mind.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:38 pm

Despite an up and down season... Lucien Favre of Nice is a good one too.
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