2016 Winter Transfer Rumours Mk. I

S wrote:

Adit wrote:The thing is he himself contradicts. He said buy back is obligation to sell at a certain price. How can the obligation to sell to us in 2018 can be kept if they sell him in 2015?

Read with that Bayern getting compensation for selling in buy back period. It all makes sense. The parent club has a say in buy back period.

Man firstly get your information correct.The clause exists for 2 yrs or rather 2 windows.2016 summer and 2017 summer.

that's not the point though. Can you give an explanation to the post though?

S wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I get that but their owner isn't exactly the most crazy of spenders usually

It's basically the equivalent of Ashley spending 25m on a player really, no matter how much TV money there maybe it just seems unlikely.

Do you realize they splashed like €90m odd for both Firmino and Benteke ?

I know Benteke cost a lot, but nah i didn't

Still 60m for one player is kinda surreal.

Adit wrote:The thing is he himself contradicts. He said buy back is obligation to sell at a certain price. How can the obligation to sell to us in 2018 can be kept if they sell him in 2015?

Read with that Bayern getting compensation for selling in buy back period. It all makes sense. The parent club has a say in buy back period.

I am not contradicting myself, it's you that do not understand. There is no obligation to sell to us by a certain date.

We negotiated a buy back clause in Morata's contract for summer 2016, and summer 2017, respectively 2 and 3 years after his sell to take advantage of his development. Iirc the buy back amount for 2016 is at 30 millions, and then 35 millions for 2017. If we miss those windows juve can sell back to us at 90 millions if they want.

If we activate his clause during summer 2016 or 2017, Juve have the obligation to sell to us in accordance with the terms of sale and the amount quoted. For all we care Morata is a juventus player and they can keep him. We only have that clause if he is developping faster than expected and we feel we can use him.

This is the reason why 1) there is so much talk in the italian press about how Morata has the final word as he might not agree to be bought back, can refuse the move, Juve know they have no say; 2) There have been talks of Juve paying us a fee to get rid of the clause as we can block any sale they attempt in the next two years.  they have a limited earning potential on any sale in that timeframe.

if pool have 60 mil to spend on him, we step him, buy him back at 30 mil, make a 30 mil profit. Juve are left holding their dicks. Between what they paid for him and what they got back, 30 mil -18 mil =  12 mil they made on him - wages. As for us, 18 mil + 60 mil - 30mil = 48 mil and no wages. Flo laughing in his office

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Adit wrote:The thing is he himself contradicts. He said buy back is obligation to sell at a certain price. How can the obligation to sell to us in 2018 can be kept if they sell him in 2015?

Read with that Bayern getting compensation for selling in buy back period. It all makes sense. The parent club has a say in buy back period.

I am not contradicting myself, it's you that do not understand. There is no obligation to sell to us by a certain date.

We negotiated a buy back clause in Morata's contract for summer 2016, and summer 2017, respectively 2 and 3 years after his sell to take advantage of his development. Iirc the buy back amount for 2016 is at 30 millions, and then 35 millions for 2017. If we miss those windows juve can sell back to us at 90 millions if they want.

If we activate his clause during summer 2016 or 2017, Juve have the obligation to sell to us in accordance with the terms of sale and the amount quoted. For all we care Morata is a juventus player and they can keep him. We only have that clause he is developping faster than expected and we feel we can use him.

This is the reason why 1) there is so much talk in the italian press about how Morata has the final word as he might not agree to be bought back, can refuse the move. 2) There have been talks of Juve paying us a fee to get rid of the clause as we can block any sale they attempt in the next two years.  they are a limited earning potential on any sale in that timeframe.

Thing in bold. Isn't that I have been saying from the start?


That juventus can't sell him with out Real's permission during the buy back period.

If you are saying we can only block by bidding then you are wrong. Regardless of the bid they will have to compensate us during those period, because that is why there is certain dates in contracts.

Adit wrote:

S wrote:

Adit wrote:The thing is he himself contradicts. He said buy back is obligation to sell at a certain price. How can the obligation to sell to us in 2018 can be kept if they sell him in 2015?

Read with that Bayern getting compensation for selling in buy back period. It all makes sense. The parent club has a say in buy back period.

Man firstly get your information correct.The clause exists for 2 yrs or rather 2 windows.2016 summer and 2017 summer.

that's not the point though. Can you give an explanation to the post though?

What more explanation do you need ?
What Nick said is the general idea of a buyback but I suppose clubs are free to form their own agreements and clauses involving that particular player.
Basically it's a complex thing and it's not necessary that every buyback follows the same procedure.

S wrote:

Adit wrote:

S wrote:
Man firstly get your information correct.The clause exists for 2 yrs or rather 2 windows.2016 summer and 2017 summer.

that's not the point though. Can you give an explanation to the post though?

What more explanation do you need ?
What Nick said is the general idea of a buyback but I suppose clubs are free to form their own agreements and clauses involving that particular player.
Basically it's a complex thing and it's not necessary that every buyback follows the same procedure.

no it doesn't explain the major question though. Selling the player to another club when parent club has a buy back clause during the period. We will see. In Emre cans example Bayern actually got a compensation for selling him early in buy back period.

Adit wrote:

Thing in bold. Isn't that I have been saying from the start?


That juventus can't sell him with out Real's permission during the buy back period.

If you are saying we can only block by bidding then you are wrong. Regardless of the bid they will have to compensate us during those period, because that is why there is certain dates in contracts.

they did not need our permission to offer him a better contract, they dont need our permission to sell him.

I am in fact saying that we can only block any sale by bidding ourselves and using that clause. They dont have to compensate us at all, in the event of a sale, they would negotiate something with us, solely because of the fact we can step in (unless it's written in the terms of sale as for Martial's that we stand to make a profit in case of a sale)

All that has been reported is that we have a buy back clause for two summers, 2016 and 2017. We can speculate as for the rest but we dont know. What i explained above is simply how buy backs work

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S wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I get that but their owner isn't exactly the most crazy of spenders usually

It's basically the equivalent of Ashley spending 25m on a player really, no matter how much TV money there maybe it just seems unlikely.

Do you realize they splashed like €90m odd for both Firmino and Benteke ?

That was basically just a tad bit more than the money we received from Sterling...

ExtremistEnigma wrote:

S wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I get that but their owner isn't exactly the most crazy of spenders usually

It's basically the equivalent of Ashley spending 25m on a player really, no matter how much TV money there maybe it just seems unlikely.

Do you realize they splashed like €90m odd for both Firmino and Benteke ?

That was basically just a tad bit more than the money we received from Sterling...

Yeah and you'd be making a 100m more from BT sports just like every other team in the league....

And we're definitely going to spend a major chunk of it on a single player.. just like every other club.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Adit wrote:

Thing in bold. Isn't that I have been saying from the start?


That juventus can't sell him with out Real's permission during the buy back period.

If you are saying we can only block by bidding then you are wrong. Regardless of the bid they will have to compensate us during those period, because that is why there is certain dates in contracts.

they did not need our permission to offer him a better contract, they dont need our permission to sell him.

I am in fact saying that we can only block any sale by bidding ourselves and using that clause. They dont have to compensate us at all, in the event of a sale, they would negotiate something with us, solely because of the fact we can step in (unless it's written in the terms of sale as for Martial's that we stand to make a profit in case of a sale)

All that has been reported is that we have a buy back clause for two summers, 2016 and 2017. We can speculate as for the rest but we dont know. What i explained above is simply how buy backs work

Your theory that there is no date constraints for selling has two problems.

1.We sold Morata in 2014 July.
2.We have buy back in 2016 and 2017


Now if Real Had no say in time period of transfer of Morata Juventus could easily sell him in 2015 summer when Real has no buy back option. Err That doesnt make sense does it?

Real has agreed a contract until 2017 means that upto that year Juventus can only sell if they can compensate Real Madrid.

Now Your second theory that Juventus will compensate Real just to stop their bidding.

Why should they do that when they can convince player to reject Madrid's offer?. See, if City offer Juventus 60 million and morata wants to go why should they pay Madrid any compensation when the player himself will reject.

Only way the compensation works is when the parent club has some kind of leverage on the transfer and in this case the transfer contract with the parent club for certain duration.


Last post lol

GTFO Yidit

Diego Perotti to Roma done deal

Great stuff by Roma as always


1/1.5 years and he is on the bench with Iturbe for Bournemouth while Roma will be busy signing Biabiany to replace him

I really liked him at Sevilla when he first broke through.

No idea what happened.

Only 1 out of every 10 argentine winger ends up being decent.

his team of the season card on fifa 15 was legit

good signing tbh

74 overrated and legit.

Seems legit.

88 pace and 90 dribbling tho

35 defence though

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:35 defence though

will fit right in at roma

Cristiano Zapata not interested in moving to Bundesliga : (

http://www.football-italia.net/78607/zapata-not-keen-german-move

Wow.New low for BL.

Will be at Watford instead