Will an EPL team make the Semi's of the CL?

srigooner wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:

srigooner wrote:


Özil has always had his fans and his detractors. If that makes your case for why/how someone stops being world class once they left the mighty La Liga for the donkey PL, then you basically reinforced my point. Thanks for that.

Nobody ever said Liverpool or Tottenham () spent their money wisely. So those are bad examples too.

Let's pretend that Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Toure, Silva, Aguero, ... are all shit while we're at it. Because none of them are 'world class' if they play in PL.

And let's pretend Suarez didn't want to move to Arsenal just one year before Barca came calling, or that he signed a new contract with a clear release clause after all the hoola hoop that summer after Arsenal's bid was rejected by Liverpool because they didn't want to do business with a rival. Because you know, 'world class' players don't want to play in shitty PL in England.

The definition of 'world class' is well debated and to no end on this forum. Ultimately, who you consider 'world class' and how you define it is purely subjective - at best, you can have some consensus when a few others agree with you on your definition and which players you allot to that category.

Like I said in my first post, you have the right to your opinions as long as you treat others' opinions also with the respect that you want your opinions to be shown. If you come off as a person who is just hating for the sake of it and going to have only negative things to say about anything and everything to do with England and the PL, then it is quite hard to take your views seriously - as is the case for me right now. I understand that this may well not be the case, but that is exactly how I have understood your views over time here.

Anyway. If you think EPL is crap, your view. Whatever makes you happy. I don't see the need or necessity to try in vain to convince you otherwise.

First off I didn't say the EPL is crap I asked if they will produce a team to make the final 4 of the CL which should be Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, and City's ambitions with the money spent on there teams.

And I've asked where the disconnect is with all the money they have been spending and the product it finally produces where there competitors in Europe seem to be much more shrewd in the market and hang on to there great players.

OK, Suarez flirted with Arsenal, who cares?  He didn't go there.  Stop living in what may have happened land.  It kinda just proves my point, had Arsenal actually signed him I doubt they lose to Monaco last year.

OK, tell me why Ozil is world class since leaving Madrid.  Make a case for it because I could probably go back to your own board and find you and the rest of your fans dissing him.

Out of the players you listed= Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Toure, Silva, Aguero.

Aguero is world class, Silva is world class and Toure is world class.  I for one was against Barca selling Fabregas and think he's world class but it's pretty close as he tends to forget about the second half of the season.  If someone thinks he's not world class than I wouldn't argue that anymore.

Costa is not world class but a very good striker.  I backed him to do well in the EPL because it fits his style but is he Neymar, Messi, Ibra, Suarez, Aguero, Rooney, Muller, I just don't think so.

Hazard is world class.

Point being you named 4 or 5 players for the league where the top tier teams have 3-4 world class players in there squad.

IMO the definition of world class is if you have to think about it, there not world class.  Or if they have 4-5 players better than them at there position there a tier below. FWIW.

We've done this tango enough times before and I don't see us getting anywhere with it this time either. Like I said, you have as much right to your views as I have to mine. I have no need to convince you that what I believe is the only reality and that your views are shit, or vice versa for that matter. Let's leave it at that and skip the never ending, vain discussions.

Dnmac4 wrote:

srigooner wrote:

Whatever makes you happy. I don't see the need or necessity to try in vain to convince you otherwise.

srigooner wrote:

We've done this tango enough times before and I don't see us getting anywhere with it this time either. Like I said, you have as much right to your views as I have to mine. I have no need to convince you that what I believe is the only reality and that your views are shit, or vice versa for that matter. Let's leave it at that and skip the never ending, vain discussions.

So basically you don't believe Ozil is world class?

srigooner wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:

srigooner wrote:

Whatever makes you happy. I don't see the need or necessity to try in vain to convince you otherwise.

srigooner wrote:

We've done this tango enough times before and I don't see us getting anywhere with it this time either. Like I said, you have as much right to your views as I have to mine. I have no need to convince you that what I believe is the only reality and that your views are shit, or vice versa for that matter. Let's leave it at that and skip the never ending, vain discussions.

So basically you don't believe Ozil is world class?

That is twice now that I have asked in a polite way to end this discussion. Why are you still trying to bait an argument?

Let's try one more time:

- I DON'T agree with your views.
- I DON'T see a point in trying to convince you otherwise.
- I DON'T see us reaching a consensus on this topic, just like on many others.
- I DON'T care if you agree with me or not.

- I DO have the same right to my views as you do to yours, even if they seem as nonsensical to you as yours do to me.

If you are still going to bait, I am just going to ignore it. This is my last post on this matter.

linetty wrote:Ozil is hit or miss.

But on his game he's easily world class, however you understand that term.

Dnmac4 wrote:

linetty wrote:Ozil is hit or miss.

But on his game he's easily world class, however you understand that term.

Yea, not a huge fan of that term. On his game Ever Banega could be world class but clearly isn't.

IMO, Ozil isn't near the same level he was with Madrid at Arsenal. Is it him, is it the players around him, is it Wenger forcing 15 midfielders into his side to all roam the center of the pitch, I don't know.

But he's not the same guy.

RealGunner wrote:Surprised you lasted that long tbh.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Lots of world class players in the PL IMO.

Hazard, Matic, Terry, Zabaleta, Cech, Wilshere, Benteke, to name a few.

Dnmac4 wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:Lots of world class players in the PL IMO.

Hazard, Matic, Terry, Zabaleta, Cech, Wilshere, Benteke, to name a few.

Jack Wilshere is world class?  He doesn't even start for his team.  Pretty much agree on most of the list except Benteke, he just isn't one of the best forwards in the world.

Dnmac4 wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:Lots of world class players in the PL IMO.

Hazard, Matic, Terry, Zabaleta, Cech, Wilshere, Benteke, to name a few.

Jack Wilshere is world class?  He doesn't even start for his team.  Pretty much agree on most of the list except Benteke, he just isn't one of the best forwards in the world.