ISIS terror attacks around the world

Adit wrote:...sanction the Saudi Arabian wahaaabi millionaires who are funding these bastard. With out funds no body will work for them.

You'll be surprised to know that there are many countries behind them, and some of them aren't even from the middle-east. Just begin by asking yourself when did this all start and who is benefiting from it.

Adit wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Of course, David Luiz and Edinson Cavani would "prefer" not to return to Paris... what cowards. As if anyone gives a crap about them.

Come on dude you cant be serious.

No body wants to die because of some idiot blowing themselves up.

Then stay away and you won't get paid... i don't give a *bleep*. You can't enjoy all the good things a place offers and then bolt as soon as something bad happens. That's being a coward. I worked in NY right after 9/11 and it never occurred to me to ask for leave... in fact, i would have been ashamed to ask. If i had asked, i would have been fired.

The Demon of Carthage wrote:

Adit wrote:...sanction the Saudi Arabian wahaaabi millionaires who are funding these bastard. With out funds no body will work for them.

You'll be surprised to know that there are many countries behind them, and some of them aren't even from the middle-east. Just begin by asking yourself when did this all start and who is benefiting from it.

ISIS was there even when Saddam was ruling Iraq. They are the pro sunni movement working against the shiites hence they targeting the shiites in Iraq and Syria . They are obviously funded by the sunni countries, you name them.A war riddled Middle east doesnt benefit any one, because the oil prices will go up and that is something that going to directly affect the citizen and nobody wants that. While its true that in the past west probably did support ISIS to overthrow Saddam and Bashar al Assad they definitely arent now.

He's talking about Saudi, not US. Despite being a horrible all round country, they get the support of the US and most of the West.

@Viva

While it's fine that people use this #notinmyname hashtag, that was actually not really my point.

My point is that there should be as many of the bigwigs in the Islam or Islamic countries, at the best of all flavours of the Islam, spreading the word in colourful terms that the criminals will not be considered martyrs by Allah, but will be condemned and burn in some hell or whatever punishment would be appropriate.

If they are indoctrinated that what they do is what Allah and / or Mohammed wants them to do, there should be a counter movement that tells them that they will be in fact be damned by God etc. and spread this as far as possible.

Uhmm. Since when do extremists care about the opinion of "bigwigs"? That's the entire point of extremism. They interpret and bend the religion in a way that suits their agenda. Suicide is a sin and punished by eternal hellfire in basically every religion yet 7 of the 8 criminals killed themselves.

Your suggestion is sort of like: "Let's make laws that punish murder so people will stop killing other people."

Well, obviously the people that get brainwashed are weak and can be manipulated.  Why shouldn't one at least try to spread the word around that they can't expect rewards in the afterlife, but some horrible divine punishments?

As quite some of the people who rush over to those camps originally seem to look for some divine guidance, spreading the word that their boss above isn't amused by these deeds might make at least some think twice about some stuff.

Of course this wouldn't be the one working measure against these insane terrorists, but as they work a lot with propaganda to sway and capture the weak, it might be an idea to set up counter propaganda to at least try to weaken this influence.

I thought ISIS was an offshoot of Al Qaeda that came into being a 3-4 years ago when a faction of Al Qaeda decided that Al Qaeda wasn't radical enough... at least that's what i remember reading.

Unrelated to the attacks yesterdays, but France just can't catch a break. Train derails near Strasbourg due to excessive speed and 10 people died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

@ES, have you heard from your sister? Is she OK?

I hope all my GL friends (and their friends and families) in Paris are OK. My prayers are for you, stay well.

The issue that France unfortunately just doesn't want to recognize and address is that this is a civil war... it's not a war being waged by foreign citizens alone.  The only thing that's happening abroad is that these French citizens are being trained to fight.  But in the end, these murderous and barbaric acts of terrorism are being executed by people who were born and raised in France mostly.  It's not like 9/11 where you had foreign nationals immigrate into the country for the sole purpose of performing a terrorist act.

Until France recognizes the issue it has with its immigrants and finds a way to make them feel proud to be French.... or at least not angry enough so that they want to kill their compatriots and overthrow the government...  you're not really solving the underlying problem.

Yesterday, i was all for bombing Syria into the stone ages but that solves nothing for France.  The problems are of our own making and they are domestic.  The radicalization will not stop if ISIS ends... it will just continue with the next terrorist organization that will inevitably replace it. I do agree, however, that you need to remove the power the statehood brings from a terrorist organization. The last major disaster happened when Afghanistan and the Taliban were a refuge for Al Qaeda. This just can't be allowed to continue. You would think that the lesson was learned here the first time.

The way to win this war is to make France a great place for most French people if not all of them...  let's at least make sure that our own people aren't the ones executing terrorist acts.  Once we succeed, it will be far far easier to fight the terrorists that are outside of our borders.  At the very least, they wouldn't target us in our own country.  They only succeeded in the US once... otherwise, the only way they are able to target US citizens is by choosing foreign US site like embassies.  

We need to move the battleground out of our own country.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34824135

Lassana Diarra's cousin killed in Paris attacks

So, in recent developments:

- One of the terrorists has been identified as a French citizen with an Algerian background. Police knew about him being radicalized back in 2010.

- The passport that was found with one of the attackers had been used to travel to Europe through Greece this October.

- Arrests have been made, most notably three people driving a rental car who may have been one group of the attackers who managed to get away.


Would be good if they managed to arrest terrorists who took part in this attack in any capacity. To get some of them alive could provide information.

Belgian police have made a total of seven arrests, according to an Associated Press report.

Four people were detained on Sunday following three arrests on Saturday.

A Belgian official told AP that two of the seven attackers who died in Paris on Friday night were Frenchmen living in Brussels, one of them in the neighborhood of St. Jans Molenbeek.

Belgian police have carried out a series of raids focused on the Molenbeek district of Brussels and prosecutors said they were investigating a connection with a Belgian hire care found near the scene of the Bataclan attack.

French police have detained six people said to be close to one of the gunman, Omar Ismail Mostefai, including his father and brother.

It's really incredible the number of Western foreign policies in last 30 years..
Everything was damaging and we are going to pay the consequences for  I don't know how long. Firstly Reegan decides to inflict the decisive blow to USSR, an enemy by now harmless because it was going to  extinguish  alone because of stagnation... creating the Talibans under Bin Laden
Gheddafi , fundamental for the geopolitical balance and the migrations , and since that moment the situation precipitated, I believe irrecoverable
The violent removal of  a power structure creates a void that if there aren't valid alternatives , it's immediately   filled by strongest organization   at that particular moment . Gheddafi was a dictator . But it is that exact difference between tyramnus regiminis and tyrannus usurpationis . Gheddafi was a tyrannus regiminis.
That Iraq intervention .. nothing to add.
  Syria is the UMPTEENTH side effect of wrong policies in the ME .
As  Taliban were financed by the Americans because anti-USSR, same thing ISIS for a function anti- Assad.
The policy " amicus meus, inimicus inimici mei"   again let slip.
Now Obama and  Hollande 've immediately immediately announce  to bombarde  those same terrorists who had equipped with bombs and guns so as to resolve against Assad and so they will resolve the situation .
Well  , the worst geopolitical situation for Europe after 1945 ( the world was much safest during the Cold War. Just the Eastern European cities got an upgrade , Praha is a a safer city  than Paris, Rome or London , who could imagine it a day . And then , even if I hate the warm , imo  the Spring in August is annoying  . ) is managed from the worst European political group after '45.
Meanwhile, the missing Italian girl who was getting  a doctorate at Sorbonne and was at Bataclan that night, is apparently died .  RIP. On oi theoi filousin apothneskei neos .

iftikhar wrote:@ES, have you heard from your sister? Is she OK?

I hope all my GL friends (and their friends and families) in Paris are OK. My prayers are for you, stay well.

Yeah she's fine thankfully

It is indeed true that every time the West has exercised military power in the Middle East to solve one problem, it has created another problem. And usually bigger than the problem it went to solve.

the only thing these people understand is 7.62mm nato rounds so lets use as many of them as we can. enough is enough. time to hunt down and kill any person that has any links to extremism. kill every single one of them. find them in what ever country they are in and kill them on the spot. if as people say the billion or so muslims in the world just want peace then they should help with finding the small number of crazys. middle east countrys should open its doors to the west so they can hunt them down and kill them.

IMO it would be sensible that all countries in the west that are still totally dependent on oil speed up the development and change to renewable energy sources.

After all, a lot of the most corrupt regimes are only supported by the US and Europe to keep their greedy hands on the oil production and cheap oil.

Unique wrote:the only thing these people understand is 7.62mm nato rounds so lets use as many of them as we can. enough is enough. time to hunt down and kill any person that has any links to extremism. kill every single one of them. find them in what ever country they are in and kill them on the spot. if as people say the billion or so muslims in the world just want peace then they should help with finding the small number of crazys. middle east countrys should open its doors to the west so they can hunt them down and kill them.

452 civilian deaths including over a 100 kids from 52 American air strikes. Every time you kill an innocent member of a family you create 10 more terrorists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

I am so shocked

EarlyPrototype wrote:

Unique wrote:the only thing these people understand is 7.62mm nato rounds so lets use as many of them as we can. enough is enough. time to hunt down and kill any person that has any links to extremism. kill every single one of them. find them in what ever country they are in and kill them on the spot. if as people say the billion or so muslims in the world just want peace then they should help with finding the small number of crazys. middle east countrys should open its doors to the west so they can hunt them down and kill them.

EarlyPrototype wrote:

Unique wrote:the only thing these people understand is 7.62mm nato rounds so lets use as many of them as we can. enough is enough. time to hunt down and kill any person that has any links to extremism. kill every single one of them. find them in what ever country they are in and kill them on the spot. if as people say the billion or so muslims in the world just want peace then they should help with finding the small number of crazys. middle east countrys should open its doors to the west so they can hunt them down and kill them.

452 civilian deaths including over a 100 kids from 52 American air strikes. Every time you kill an innocent member of a family you create 10 more terrorists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

452 civilian deaths including over a 100 kids from 52 American air strikes. Every time you kill an innocent member of a family you create 10 more terrorists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report

when a british or American solder dies protecting muslims arount the world they don't say a word about it.

How many British and American soldiers have been killed by ISIS? yeh that's what I thought.

urbaNRoots wrote:

Paris police sources say the 2 Syrian passports found on the terrorists were fakes probably made in Turkey

More and more I'm starting to believe Viva's theory.

What theory was that?

Obama and Putin had a 15 minuts private talk after G20. Hopefully ISIS was the main discussion