What does Barcelona's treble say about Luis Enrique as a manager?

So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

The most important question is do you think pep would have done better with this 2015 team? (The answer is No For me, if for anything, he and his hipster ideas when anything other than common sense and this team doesn't win a treble) Or do you think he would have giving MSN free reign? ( the answer is No obviously, of which other than that barca doesn't win a treble) Or would Enrique do better with this buyern and peps barca? (IMO, yes with buyern cause all that team needed was common sense and they dominate the CL and maybe no with barca, cause that barca needed some genius master stroke momemts which obviously wouldn't be with Enrique) sometimes all that's needed is common sense and common sense I found out is genius. BTW, common sense is what I found out pep doesn't have, I mean look at him in buyern and look at his barca without a plan b ffs...
So there you have it. Enrique wins with this barca, Enrique wins with this buyern Munich Enrique wins with MSN and pep wins with pre 2013 barca.
My point here is that sometimes, most of us don't appreciate the power of common sense or the "Obvious decisions" as all we always want to see is a master strike when that only works 2/10 times in general, as we all aspects of life generally..

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

im pretty sure you guys face madrid for the super cup

Ganso wrote:

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

im pretty sure you guys face madrid for the super cup

That's what I thought too tbh, till I started seeing Bilbao all over the internet..

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

I'm curious to see if barca can win The sextuple next season. Spanish super cup, uEFA super cup, CWC, La Liga, CL and copa del rey. That would be the greatest achievement in football imo. Never really bought the whole pep  sextuple bs. Football in Europe is seasonal not yearly. No team has won 6 trophies in a season. I really hope they do it. Fitting for them to retain the cl.

Ganso wrote:

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

im pretty sure you guys face madrid for the super cup

It's Blbao.

Only you consider it BS jibers nobody else gives a shit

The sextuple is real. Messi might have 7 trophies this year if his ARG wins Copa America... or Neymar

Iniesta has played in the final of 4 UCLs and won, 1 World Cup final and won, and 2 Euro Finals and won.

Pretty incredible.

windkick wrote:Iniesta has played in the final of 4 UCLs and won, 1 World Cup final and won, and 2 Euro Finals and won.

Pretty incredible.

Probably was man of the match in most of them too. Unreal player.

windkick wrote:Iniesta has played in the final of 4 UCLs and won, 1 World Cup final and won, and 2 Euro Finals and won.

Pretty incredible.

7-0 rich mans MJ.

jibers wrote:

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

I'm curious to see if barca can win The sextuple next season. Spanish super cup, uEFA super cup, CWC, La Liga, CL and copa del rey. That would be the greatest achievement in football imo. Never really bought the whole pep  sextuple bs. Football in Europe is seasonal not yearly. No team has won 6 trophies in a season. I really hope they do it. Fitting for them to retain the cl.

Ganso wrote:

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

im pretty sure you guys face madrid for the super cup

It's Blbao.

Yes, football is seasonal, but CWC and Supercups of next seasons are a consequence of this recently ended season. So they are a continuation of the previous season and should be credited mostly to it, instead to the new season, IMO.
So Pep's sextuple is legit, and if Barça wins everything next season, IMO it would be a sextuple + another treble (which I'm very very skeptical it happens because of the immense difficulty of winning everything, especially the CL).

free_cat wrote:

jibers wrote:

Bankz wrote:So barca play Bilbao (super Copa), Sevilla (Euro super cup) and Random team from random continent for (world club cup) sextuple on the cards anyone?

I'm curious to see if barca can win The sextuple next season. Spanish super cup, uEFA super cup, CWC, La Liga, CL and copa del rey. That would be the greatest achievement in football imo. Never really bought the whole pep  sextuple bs. Football in Europe is seasonal not yearly. No team has won 6 trophies in a season. I really hope they do it. Fitting for them to retain the cl.

Ganso wrote:
im pretty sure you guys face madrid for the super cup

It's Blbao.

Yes, football is seasonal, but CWC and Supercups of next seasons are a consequence of this recently ended season. So they are a continuation of the previous season and should be credited mostly to it, instead to the new season, IMO.
So Pep's sextuple is legit, and if Barça wins everything next season, IMO it would be a sextuple + another treble (which I'm very very skeptical it happens because of the immense difficulty of winning everything, especially the CL).

Let's agree to disagree. Supercups are regarded as the start to the new season. The squad also changes end of the season. Different sqad composition,  new season.  Cwc had never and super cups had never been regarded as part of the previous season because they aren't.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_teams_to_have_won_four_or_more_trophies_in_one_season

Either way I want barca to win it all next season. They were close in peps final season. If Enrique does even a quintuple it would be the greatest achievement in history in terms of club football. United were close in 08/09 but barca robbed us ffs!

Off course, it's a new season, but CWC and supercups are clearly a result of the past season, so the Sextuple is winning the six trophies in a row IMO. Both could be regarded a Sextuple, one is yearly and in terms of titles won in a row, and the other one is based only in season calendar.

It says other clubs should follow Barca example, hiring managers should come down to best fit rather then a manager with the best CV or the largest trophy cabinet.

First with Pep and now with Enrique, relatively complete unknown managers before winning the treble.

Tito was also great hire tbh, unlucky with his illness and also inheriting a team at the end of a great cycle.

Blue wrote:It says other clubs should follow Barca example, hiring managers should come down to best fit rather then a manager with the best CV or the largest trophy cabinet.

First with Pep and now with Enrique, relatively complete unknown managers before winning the treble.

Tito was also great hire tbh, unlucky with his illness and also inheriting a team at the end of a great cycle.

End of what cycle? Despite him not coaching them for almost 4 months they reached the semis of cl, have joint league point record and Messi was on his way to breaking his 73 goal season before his injury.

They also played crap football and should've been eliminated by us of all people in the CL

There's a reason people said Barca's era was over that season, because it was. This is another team and another cycle.

Cruijf wrote:They also played crap football and should've been eliminated by us of all people in the CL

There's a reason people said Barca's era was over that season, because it was. This is another team and another cycle.

Again that was after Tito got ill. Before that they were looking like they would break Madrid 100 point record. Pique, marcherno, busquets, alba, iniesta, Messi and Alves were starters then and now. Over half the team still starts...Yea, their era was over...

This is Barcelonas era just like the late 80s and early 90s was Milan era.

It doesn’t say he’s the new Sachi or anything, but people saying he didn’t do anything are probably blind.
Only the fact that he turned the pre new year crisis around speaks volumes.
And yes MSN are are imperative in our game but there are countless examples of teams that amass stars and fail to make them tick (a certain Madrid comes to mind).
So props to him

Some seem to forget how Suarez and Messi were faring at the start of the season. Luis was the man that made them work together (though, I'm sure maybe Xavi also had a hand in that). What he's done at Roma and Celta seems to go unnoticed either. I rate him better than Pep.

windkick wrote:Iniesta has played in the final of 4 UCLs and won, 1 World Cup final and won, and 2 Euro Finals and won.

Pretty incredible.

best mf player of his type ive ever seen. crazy good.

Lord Awesome wrote:Some seem to forget how Suarez and Messi were faring at the start of the season. Luis was the man that made them work together

Suarez confirmed that luis enrique told him to play in the wing
and on a random game messi just told suarez to swap with him to the center and he played great after that
so they just continued to do it, not so much enrique but the players deserve the credit for the swap.

coachessi

Donuts wrote:Suarez confirmed that luis enrique told him to play in the wing

Did he?

Messi finally realized that he needs to be on the wing for the good of the team but Lucho just couldn't move him otherwise.

While I enjoyed (and not the first time they went at each other) the hand written bouts between Dani and Fusszyball, I do find it extremely odd Lucho isn't receiving showers of praise from across the mediums of the world. Almost a bit wrong.

Barcelona fans withstanding, Pep couldn't stop getting adulation while Lucho's praise gives off a by the way feeling. I found, in hindsight, his rotation system worked brilliantly and I won't pretend to be a tactical know it all but he did make adjustments to how Barcelona played and got the best out of Pique, Rakitic, Alves (sort of) and utilised MSN to brilliant effectiveness.

So sound rotational policy, great man management skills, sound tactical brain and can actually work the political side of a club like Barcelona. I can't help but think he is or has the makings of a really good manager.

Doc wrote:While I enjoyed (and not the first time they went at each other) the hand written bouts between Dani and Fusszyball, I do find it extremely odd Lucho isn't receiving showers of praise from across the mediums of the world. Almost a bit wrong.

Barcelona fans withstanding, Pep couldn't stop getting adulation while Lucho's praise gives off a by the way feeling. I found, in hindsight, his rotation system worked brilliantly and I won't pretend to be a tactical know it all but he did make adjustments to how Barcelona played and got the best out of Pique, Rakitic, Alves (sort of) and utilised MSN to brilliant effectiveness.

So sound rotational policy, great man management skills, sound tactical brain and can actually work the political side of a club like Barcelona. I can't help but think he is or has the makings of a really good manager.

Praising Enrique too much would somewhat devalue Guardiola. As in: "What does it say about Guardiola's achievements with Barca if another rookie coach comes and straight away wins the treble in his first year?" Fans and media have invested way too much in hyping up Guardiola to all-time level greatness prematurely so it would be a bit awkward right now to do the same with Enrique just 3 years later. That's all there is to it really. First come, first serve. If Enrique did what he did now in 2009 instead of Guardiola and Guardiola came now it would be the other way around.

I really don't like getting involve in Farca affairs since Mehdrid needs me but Lucho really just got himself a treble. Mourinho was considered Herrera's heir from a treble, Pep "changed the way football would be played" after his treble, Heynches was loved by Viva after his treble. Lucho gets a "you did well".

If what you say Futbol has any truth into it (because we really can't say for certain unless your GL name happens to be Gil or Sports) then people really are, in fact, full of sh1t really.