Football League's 'Rooney Rule'

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Post by VendettaRed07 Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:34 pm

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VendettaRed07 wrote:There is an incredible amount of misinformation and arguments from positions of bad faith going on in here.

I can't believe we still see the black president means racism is dead argument.
nobody said that. But what it does show is if a black man can become the most powerful man on earth. Then I'm pretty sure they have the same chance in life as everyone els. And telling football clubs they have to give somone a chance because he is black is incredibly racest.


How do you not see how you are contradicting yourself here.

You are clearly implying racism doesn't deny people opportunity anymore and doesn't take part in the process hiring for certain positions or effect their social mobility to get into positions of power with this statement.

You can believe that if you want, however just remember that believing it doesn't make it true, and ignores extensive research and historical data that clearly proves the opposite. Race plays a massive part in people's ability to be hired for certain positions. When you consider that the vast majority of sports teams in the U.S. and UK are owned by rich white people, bias and racism has effected black people to get an equal chance at getting management and/or coaching jobs.

And again, nobody is forcing anyone to "hire a black person just because they are black".. Its to force them to just sit down and listen to someone and why they believe they are right for the job. It's not racist to enforce this.. It is a reaction to racism.. And a reaction to the fact that historically black people have been systematically and disproportionately denied that. The positive effect of the Rooney rule and what good it has done for race relations in the American sports scene and NFL is all online and available to read if you are actually interested in understanding it.

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Post by Unique Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:03 pm

VendettaRed07 wrote:
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VendettaRed07 wrote:There is an incredible amount of misinformation and arguments from positions of bad faith going on in here.

I can't believe we still see the black president means racism is dead argument.
nobody said that. But what it does show is if a black man can become the most powerful man on earth. Then I'm pretty sure they have the same chance in life as everyone els. And telling football clubs they have to give somone a chance because he is black is incredibly racest.


How do you not see how you are contradicting yourself here.

You are clearly implying racism doesn't deny people opportunity anymore and doesn't take part in the process hiring for certain positions or effect their social mobility to get into positions of power with this statement.

You can believe that if you want, however just remember that believing it doesn't make it true, and ignores extensive research and historical data that clearly proves the opposite. Race plays a massive part in people's ability to be hired for certain positions. When you consider that the vast majority of sports teams in the U.S. and UK are owned by rich white people, bias and racism has effected black people to get an equal chance at getting management and/or coaching jobs.

And again, nobody is forcing anyone to "hire a black person just because they are black".. Its to force them to just sit down and listen to someone and why they believe they are right for the job. It's not racist to enforce this.. It is a reaction to racism.. And a reaction to the fact that historically black people have been systematically and disproportionately denied that. The positive effect of the Rooney rule and what good it has done for race relations in the American sports scene and NFL is all online and available to read if you are actually interested in understanding it.
but having a rule that says you have to interview a black guy for a job weather he can do the job or not is racist. Giving somone a opertunity based on skin colour is racist imo
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Post by VendettaRed07 Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:36 pm

It's a reaction to historical evidence that black people have been denied that opportunity that they are now being given. Maybe if owners weren't racist and didn't view people of certain races despite qualifications as not suitable for positions of power, we wouldn't have to create a rule like this.

It's a reaction to the problem. Doing nothing to help mitigate racist ideologies or implementing effective policies to stop unfair dynamics in the work place is basically saying "Oh well, sucks to be black".
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:37 am

It's incredible how hard it seems for some people to understand that racism is above all the reality of a history of discrimination against people of colour, not some game of equivalences.

Then they keep coming up with unspeakably stupid stuff like "it's racist that black people can call themselves n...rs but white people aren't allowed to".
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Post by Unique Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:06 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:It's incredible how hard it seems for some people to understand that racism is above all the reality of a history of discrimination against people of colour, not some game of equivalences.

Then they keep coming up with unspeakably stupid stuff like "it's racist that black people can call themselves n...rs but white people aren't allowed to".
but it would be racist if white people were free to use a word and black people were told they are not aloud to use it.
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Post by free_cat Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:02 pm

Lex wrote:
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Lex wrote:The implication of this proposed rule is that people are being overlooked due to their name or ethnicity, which is a pretty big can of worms to open

Lol. It's just reality.
Is it bollocks


Dude, it is well known that in the market labor there is discrimination against women and racial minorities. In football managers too.

How many non-white-male-middle-aged coach can you name?
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:09 pm

This rule just gets them an interview, not a job. I don't see anything St all wrong with it.
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Post by Unique Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:55 pm

free_cat wrote:
Lex wrote:
zigra wrote:
Lol. It's just reality.
Is it bollocks


Dude, it is well known that in the market labor there is discrimination against women and racial minorities. In football managers too.

How many non-white-male-middle-aged coach can you name?
plenty of black players make a good living in football. maybe black managers don't get jobs because they cant do the job. do you think any club in the world would turn down winning titles and champions lge if it ment a black manager was the one winning them. not a chance.
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Post by Unique Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:57 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:This rule just gets them an interview, not a job. I don't see anything St all wrong with it.
so 3 men go to a job interview. one is there because he has managed in the top lgs of Europe for 15 years. one is there because he has won the champions lge and titles. the other is there because he is black. and you don't see anything wrong with that.
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