Re: World Cup: Group D discussion

by McAgger Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:26 pm

Peccadillo wrote:Sorry but I don't agree with dropping Rooney for Lallana. Lallana didn't start because Roy can't trust him at this level yet. He didn't show anything in that match to justify starting him against Uruguay so I am not sure why people are calling for it..

Rooney didn't actually have a terrible game.. his run and cross got us the equaliser. He was underwhelming for rooney, because we know he can offer more. The media are just being stupid about it.

I can guarantee you if Welbeck had the exact same performance Rooney had, we would be calling for him to start against Uruguay.

Ox - Rooney - Sterling
I think hodgson wil start; Rooney - Sterling - Ox though.

That should be our 3.. yes we were left exposed on the flank, but that happens with 4231.. the duty of protecting Baines is not only down to Rooney. It's also for Hendo and Gerrard to worry about. The left flank was also a problem because Italy were fousing their attack on that side. No one was ahead of Chiellini.

So arguably England's man of the match against Italy Sturridge shouldn't start?

by Gil Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:30 pm

Lallana should be nowhere near the team. Is Chambo fit by the way? Replace him with Rooney if he is, otherwise keep the same team.

Maybe Shaw for Baines.

by RealGunner Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:24 am

England tomorrow/tonight Molenation

Lots of debate on Rooney. Many pundit have been saying he should be used as a 10. I don't agree with it. I don't think he is a good 10 anymore. He just creates extra problems for us because we have seen from the matches that the space between midfield and attack becomes too much. Rooney's natural instinct is always to go ahead of the game. He loses track of the position he plays and we end up having a dysfunctional team with poor transition and link up.

I think Rooney should just play as a 9 or don't play. I don't mind him at LW but I don't think he likes that role. He is good enough to play there though.

Can't see much change in the team. Might be the same side. Hope Oxlade is fit.

by BeautifulGame Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:35 am

@ RG

Hodge confirmed Ox is ruled out for Uruguay and trying to be fit for CR

by Peccadillo Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:45 am

@ McAgger - I never said not to start Sturridge, I was talking about the 3 attacking midfielders.

I don't see much change for England if Ox is out.

Lugano will be missed by Uruguay.. He is hardly a world beater but he adds a lot of experience to that back line.

Really there's no excuse to lose this, particularly if Suarez has a fitness question mark over his head. If we play like we did against Italy we will win.

by McAgger Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:40 am

Lugano's absence is the BEST thing that could happen to Uruguay ffs. The guy has been past his best for 3 years now. He shouldn't even be in Brazil.

Godin-J.M.Gimenez should start in the middle. Jose Maria is a legit talent. Even Coates > Lugano.

by Peccadillo Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:17 am

Man you're on my case today lol

As I said, he isn't a world beater. I'm not sure why you feel liverpools 5th choice defender or a 19 year old with no real international experience is a step up from their cultured and vastly experienced captain.

I havent watched enough Atletico to argue the point, but I would be sorely surprised if Gimenez plays and blows my mind. 19 year old centrebacks do not perform at world cups.

by McAgger Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:32 am

Lol I'm really not trying to get on your case.

Criticism for Lugano has been long coming. He was the worst of the bunch against Costa Rica. So much for his experience where my main man Joel Campbell kept raping him. He's really not the same player that was in the South Africa World Cup or the Copa America in 2011. The guy was a 4th choice for West Brom ffs.

Coates was loaned out to Nacional, and was a starter for them after he came back from injury and helped them finish second in Uruguay. Jose Maria Gimenez was a beast for Uruguay at the U-20 World Cup which is why he snapped up by Atleti. He doesn't have much experience but he's clearly talented and can offer much more than Lugano.

by Peccadillo Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:33 am

Meh maybe you're right. Ultimately Uruguay have no real decent partner option for Godin anyway. So it probably won't make much difference. I think playing a 19 year old in that position, with such a weak midfield, in a world cup is too risky.

They will prob go 4 at the back with Caceres and Godin, with Fucile and Pereira at full back.

by BeautifulGame Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:37 am

Pereira (full back) is suspended for the match.

Think it get will ho with 5 at the back like in Copa

by ExtremistEnigma Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:45 am

I was only able to catch the highlights the other day, but whatever little I saw, I saw Baines being brutally annihilated by Candreva. Full-backs clearly the major issue of concern for England, but they don't really have any means to redress that unfortunately.

by Peccadillo Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:03 am

Baines wasn't an issue for me.. he was simply outnumbered for the winning goal.
Thought he did pretty well. I didn't see any annhilation.

In fact I was happy with our whole defence in the Italy match, Cahill and Jagielka particularly.

by Art Morte Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:57 am

RealGunner wrote:
Lots of debate on Rooney. Many pundit have been saying he should be used as a 10. I don't agree with it. I don't think he is a good 10 anymore.

I agree, he's the Kevin Nolan of England's NT when played as CAM. Not skillful enough, but can poach some goals in the box if the ball falls for him.

McAgger wrote:Lugano's absence is the BEST thing that could happen to Uruguay ffs. The guy has been past his best for 3 years now. He shouldn't even be in Brazil.

That's how I feel, too. Lugano didn't even play much football last season, because he couldn't get games at West Brom. I would have definitely liked to see him start against England.

by Nishankly Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 am

In before people jump on an unfit Suarez who hasn't played a game in almost 2 months.

by M99 Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:47 am

Nishy wrote:In before people jump on an unfit Suarez who hasn't played a game in almost 2 months.

Getting the excuses ready already I see :coffee:

by Nishankly Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:06 pm

meh its kinda like ronaldo in portugal only worse.

Care more about Sterling pls, Woy pls dont shunt him wide to accommodate Rooney

by Red Alert Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:12 pm

I hope Suarez doesn't go all superman and is rushing to play because Uruguay need him. With him injured, I'll be worried for Liverpool's season. (Gerrard's also playing with some sort of groin problem as well ffs.) :S

Nishy wrote:Care more about Sterling pls, Woy pls dont shunt him wide to accommodate Rooney

The best thing to do for England is to play Rooney in the centre though...

Rooney in the middle atleast helps out Gerrard and Henderson in midfield (who aren't a great midfield partnership, they NEED another midfielder in there), and Sterling gets alot more space to operate in out wide. Rooney is also much more of a goalthreat, and can create a lot more than Raheem as of right now.

The only problem is who else do you play in the final third?

Sturridge will no doubt be leading the line. You have Rooney and Sterling behind him, but who's the third? I'd go with the Ox personally, but Roy seems adamant on Welbeck.

by Glory Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:34 pm

I agree with all those comments which says Rooney shouldnt be played as a CAM anymore.

Play him as a no.9 or dont play him at all. But for that you guys have a better player in all facets right now that goes by the name of Sturridge I believe. So drop him. Bring him as an impact sub in the second half. Let him make an impact then. Simply dont deserve to start any more.
And playing him on the wing is also not a good idea as he hates that role and hence he wont be fully committed to his work.
Better LW is Welbeck right now.

by Art Morte Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:29 pm

England unchanged from the italy game.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:42 pm

Red Alert wrote:

The best thing to do for England is to play Rooney in the centre though...

Rooney in the middle atleast helps out Gerrard and Henderson in midfield

Except it doesn't.... when Rooney plays in the centre there's a massive gap between Henderson-Gerrard and the rest.... its the main reason Rooney played on the left against Italy.

Against Uruguay its ok though as they play 442 so we have worry less about space in between the lines as we did with Italy and their very narrow team with lots of quality midfielders.

by RealGunner Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Don't like the team. But meh

GET IN THERE ENGLAND

by BeautifulGame Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:45 pm

Hodgson

Raheem will go wide this wide and Wayne will play more central, but otherwise it's pretty much the same team that we had against Italy. Basically those three players are very interchangeable and I'm expecting quite a lot of interchange amongst them. You have to trust in their experience, their belief in themselves and the way we play. I'm sure they've got that belief. You can never totally predict the outcome of a football match – all you can predict is that your team is in the right shape to play the game. wrote:

by RealGunner Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:47 pm

Thankfully Uruguay have no midfield. This can work. Unless Suarez plays deep. Then we are effed

by Ganso Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:56 pm

GO ENGLAaaAAaAaaaAAAaaaAND

by M99 Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:39 pm

SUAREZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

SMH I was supporting England :facepalm:

by Art Morte Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:48 pm

Well, England are playing absolutely shit. No movement, no idea, no rhythm. Rooney as number 10 is so much fail and Welbeck shouldn't be on either.

Hodgson out.

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