Louis van Gaal

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Lumiere_Blanche wrote:really disappointed with Van Gaal.

The biggest disagreement here is his persistence with Van Perise. Its dragging the club down like massively.

The club allowed him to spent as much as he want on players and its nowhere near he is delivering what is expected of him.

problem is fans are so fickle. change their minds every few weeks.
If I could be bothered to dig I'm sure I could quote dozens of posts of you crying for Rooney to be dropped so Mata can play ehind Rvp.

etc
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Now Rooney is suddenly back in favour, while Mata and RvP are out.

Here's an idea: why don't you stop singling out individual players all the time.

Oh Please. Did you even watch the match. Or for that matter the past 2 or 3 matches we played. I am sure you didnt.

The way van persie is playing right now is exactly the way rooney played under moyish, that complacency and 'No matter what I do on the pitch I will never be dropped' kinda attitude is easy to spot.

And fyi this is not knee jerk at all. You can sure 'dig in' and find any posts to contradict. The only condition  there being it has to be this season's. Can you mention one meaningful contribution van persie has made this season apart form a couple of being 'at the right place at the right time' sort of goals he has scored. I havent seen him influence the game at all. And then we look at the number of chances he has failed to convert.
He cant run, he cant shoot properly and yet he is playing everytime. Now tell me what should I say other than criticize him and criticize Van gaal who is letting him play continuously.  Also its not even about the stats. Its about his effing attitude.  

Whereas regarding mata, I dont know where you got that, but I can assure you that I havent said he should be playing behind strikers in the hole. Again I may have said that last season or even beginning of this season. And thats because Last season we had Shinji whose presence brought the best out of Juan, So he played really well as a CAM. But now its well proven that he is not suited to play a CAM in this formation. We have been saying that a lot recently. Check the mata thread for once before coming up with these bizarre opinions.
Putting his name in the formation in that position doesnt mean I am happy deploying him there. I try to put a practical formation albeit 1 or 2 exceptions. (wilson, januzaj for instance) But even there I am well aware I wont be seeing either of them in the match.

Now What I have in fact said is he should be playing as a striker or a False 9 alongside a forward (falcao to be exact). Even LvG has said that. that He is a false striker and not a playmaker.

So if van persie is struggling and rooney is unavailable put him alongside falcao up top. Its not that we dont have any option and we have to persist with RvP throughout.  

And when it comes to rooney, well I have already made my stand clear a lot of times regarding him. And how can you all of a sudden assume that now I want rooney to play in the hole. Have I said that???? For the nth time I am making myself clear, I want him to play only as a forward.

And who according to me should play as a CAM you may ask. Well, Its either Herrera or Januzaj. Janzuaj until we bring in another midfielder and after that herrera.

And you are telling me to stop singling out individuals I see, but there you have to take note of the fact that we are playing only on weekends this season until January. And because of that we only get 2 or 3 games to come to conclusions and form opinions on players. Its sort of a bane we are facing this season. If van persie perform in 3 games poorly what it means is he is not performing in an entire month (if we count international breaks). So while other top teams get more time to assess player's performances , we get relatively very less. So What else do you expect.

I am not saying Van Gaal is doing badly or anything but some of his decisions and actions has been very poor. Like majority of his substitutions (fellaini one yesterday being the only exception), failure to address the defensive issues by not buying another cb added with the van persie bromance which i mentioned already. You have to understand the board didnt hold back and gave him a free pass to spend whatever he want. And yet we are struggling in defense.  But in no way I am even attempting to compare him and the clown moyish. And I am well aware that pros outweigh the cons here. And its only going to improve with time too.

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I understand you are taking so much effort to pop up in every nook and corner of this forum, and I appreciate it, but of late you are just putting up half baked opinions based on some assumptions and outdated theories. Heres an idea - Try to catch up or just keep quiet.

I watched the match.

To me, typical van Gaal team. A lot of possession, though not especially brilliant in the final third.
A very high line, full backs pushing up very high; but then not enough pressure on the ball when it's lost and not enough balance for a safe defense.

First goal Shaw loses the aerial duel, guy can run behind and cross to the guy between defense and midfield, sunday shot.

Little anyone can do, as the organization is such that once a 'mistake' happens (a lost duel) it is hard to defend for the CBS if the midfielders are to far upfield.
Blind was not there in the space and Herrera clearly wasn't fit enough to go these distances.

2nd goal, one CB goes forward to intercept something (Jones?), again lost duel, miles of space between Rafael and Rojo, bingo.
Jones probably was told to go forward to intercept passes in the 5-3-2, as there it's his job, in the 4-3-3 it's problematic, there should be a midfielder in that space to defend.

2 shots, 2 goals, while Utd pass around the box all game.

I've been in your shoes, it's a systemic thing. Too high line with not enough defensive cover, one 'mistake' happens there's danger.
It's too risky as LvG leaves his defenders with no room for error. And then you have defenders with little match practice and routine, that's what can happen.

You'll just have to outscore the opposition.

Yeah, that's true Leicester had 5 shots - 5 goals, MK Dons 7 shots - 4 goals and West Brom 2 shots - 2 goals. We'll end up buying a CB for £40 mil next year, and scratch our heads when we have the same issues, a bit like Liverpool right now.

thats an intersting observation. So what should we do ? Outscore the opposition each time? If these decisive errors are part of LvG's 'philosophy' then whats the alternative to that.

well I'm not necessarily saying it's part of his system, but as far as I can remember we always had this feeling of missing balance, of pending danger, with him.

Now this was the first time you played that particular formation People say it was 4-2-3-1, was it? But it seemed to me Herrera played quite further ahead than Blind, so maybe more a 4-3-3?
Actually after maybe 10 seconds there was a similar situation as the 1:0 - Shaw is VERY advanced, space behind him exploited, Blind does not/ cannot really commit to covering that space as Herrera is not there in the middle, cross, shot from out of the box
http://livetv.sx/de/showvideo/212577_west_bromwich_manchester_utd/

They need to develop the understanding who covers for who, and also you got to hope your CBs stay fit so a pairing can develop.
You have to hope mistakes become less so that you'll indeed outscore the opponent, but I think you'll have to be prepared to never feel fully safe, unless LvG goes back to a massive 5-3-2 as with Holland, which he won't and shouldn't as it's not pretty.
Carrick will be back too, he'll have a role to play there.

Van Gaal improved Holland by playing 3-5-2, obviously that didn't work for us, but maybe play two DMs, Carrick and Blind, or even Valencia since he did a good defensive job vs Everton. Carrick is still unfit/aging so Valencia might be the answer. Blind just isn't fast/mobile enough to cover everything by himself. Perhaps this is why he still wants Strootman.

yea I can see him definately putting carrick in the scheme of things against chelsea in place of mata. 2 DMs and herrera in an advanced midfielder sort of role.
Thats the only we way can even have a chance against them.

Valencia paired with blind is also not a bad alternative considering he has a burst of pace up his sleeve and can compensate for the lack of mobility of blind. Blind can become the brain and valencia the limbs. or the rider and the horse

Busby Babe wrote: Valencia might be the answer.

RED, you hear that?

Herrera wasn't fit and bad, so Blind was overwhelmed alone.
For the second goal too as there Fellaini was further upfront, DiMaria was in the center but had just gotten injured and didn't help Blind who was simply passed around chasing for the ball.
Jones made a stupid and mistimed charge forward which was a couple of meters off, Rafael messed up the offside line...

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Busby Babe wrote: Valencia might be the answer.

RED, you hear that?

ffs, I hate Valencia too, but he might be our Schweinsteiger

now go wash out your mouth with soap

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Busby Babe wrote: Valencia might be the answer.

RED, you hear that?

He could do a job if played in a similar role that he played against Everton. He had his best game in years in that match (which is not saying much).

Who would have thought...

Yeah, Hans is right, we're conceding less shots on goal than the past two seasons, but are conceding more goals.



Tbf, though, it's only one more goal than under Fergie, and that freak Leicester game heavily effects the average

Let's play system that made us look like a bunch of clowns earlier this season v poor teams against a top 4 rival, great idea.

He's had a mare today. Completeand utter mare from the tactics to the team selection.

If fellaini and long balls are his idea of philosophy, then he can stick it……

Worst half performance v arsenal ive seen in years. Not even moyes was this bad against them last season

I have a lot to say right now, but I fear I might be knee-jerking so I'll wait awhile and see if I still feel the same

i don't understand why Herrera can't get back in the team tbh

and why we aren't playing diamond anymore when that is the best we've looked all season is with the diamond.

and ffs these injuries need to stop

Before the World Cup van Gaal set up to use a 3-5-2/4-3-3. After he beat Spain he said he used the 3-5-2, because no matter if it is 0-0, 1-0, 0-1, Spain will continue to attack and throw bodies forward. Arsenal is the same. So the 3-5-2 meant he chose to concede possession and hit them on the counter. In that respect, even if Arsenal scored in that first 30 mins, just like Spain did in the world cup, we probably would have still scored anyway as Arsenal would have continued to attack. He wanted to use a 4-3-3 vs Australia, but the players convinced him to continue to use a 3-5-2, they struggled changed to a 4-3-3 when he brought Depay on I'm sure you all remember the rest. Fwiw, I don't think he should have used the 3-5-2, I think we got lucky.

On the diamond, he said we struggled in the last 30 mins in matches, Leicester, West Ham and Everton. So I don't think it's coming back. The criticism I will give though, is if he always knew the 4-3-3 was what we would be striving for, the end point. Then he should have bought players that fit a 4-3-3 not a diamond.

do want Depay in january if we buying 4-3-3 players

There's also Reus Maybe even Isco In any case we'll have to buy more than winger, since both Januzaj and Depay are quite young.

Dortmund struggling doubt they sell Reus before summer...plus he's out with an ankle injury until january i believe

I was thinking summer included. If it wasn't for Reus' low clause I might think we should go somewhere else, too injury prone over the last season and a half.

Game of Thrones actress Carice van Houten mimes LVG’s Man United quotes on Instagram

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/wags/game-of-thrones-actress-carice-van-houten-mimes-lvgs-man-united-quotes-on-instagram/



Van Gaal should mime her next press conference imo

haha brilliant.

she's quite hot too.

Beginning to have doubts over him.

- insists in playing a system that clearly doesn't suit us. Needs to stop being so stubborn.
-trying to fit in all our attacking players in the first 11. Doesn't sub rvp enough no matter how poorly he plays.
- we're  playing football as bad as last season. Lack of creativity up front and at the back we look awful.
-injuries have increased,  which looks as a result of intense trainings sessions. We've had injury problem in the past few seasons, but not this bad.
-baffling substitutions when things are not going well,  or when we're on the front foot. Subbing the wrong players, changing the systems when there is no need. Putting players in the wrong positions or positions that hinder our momentum.
-Keeps picking Evans who in every game he starts for us, looks a serious liability. Surely blackett or mcnair can't do no worse?
Also starting fletcher who looks finished at this level.

We've spent huge money,  yet we seem to get by on luck for the most part,  rather than overall quality. Our home games,  we look good(at times,  due to clinical attackers and de gea), but our away form is abysmal. Can you count on one hand games where we have dominated from start to finish? Hull, qpr, newcastle?  1st half away v spurs?  Thats it imo.

We seem fortunate that ars, lfc, everton are not as good as last season otherwise our 3rd place position would be under more threat,  may not even be there.

Its not all doom and gloom,  he's done well to get us 3rd,  with the constant injuries of players. But there are seeds of doubt that is beginning to concern me,  and it all came to a head from viewing our match v yeovil.

I think he still plans on buying more players that suit his style....still a bunch of deadwood in the squad and players like Fletcher and Fellaini don't meet his requirements for midfielders that he needs to play his system

plus we have legit no real pace aside from Di Maria

I'm still on Team Van Gaal, but personnel is not an excuse. I think Di Maria is the first sub that's made an impact this season. His subs are generally poor.