Those Hating on International Football

I think the major reason people get put off by international football is that those meaningless friendlies come when your club team is gaining some momentum in the league and players are playing well. All of a sudden they represent their country and pick up and injury or get fatigued and pick up an injury in the next match for their club.

Or the players come back from international break and that momentum is lost and suddenly your team starts losing.

Or you're from a country without a national team or your country have a really shit national team.

Everyone can support a club and feel comfortable but not everyone can support a country and feel comfortable or feel "part of it". If I was from San Marino, for example, and I wanted to pick a national side to support I wouldn't necessarily feel "part of the group" if I picked a Spain or a Germany or even a Belgium.

I also think people would be more accepting of it if the quality of football was better.

Basically, passion & emotion >>> quality of the game in international football.

 where do i begin? in the last game that Bosnia had Pjanic picked up a knock and he was supposed to not play for his own safety , i don't know if he can make it to the game VS Napoli now , in Netherlands the same thing happened to strootman , or two years ago Argentina got burdisso injured for more than half a season and i had to watch my team struggle for that . International games specially WQ is nothing but a joke

IL Gladiatore wrote: where do i begin? in the last game that Bosnia had Pjanic picked up a knock and he was supposed to not play for his own safety , i don't know if he can make it to the game VS Napoli now , in Netherlands the same thing happened to strootman  , or two years ago Argentina got burdisso injured for more than half a season and i had to watch my team struggle for that . International games specially WQ is nothing but a joke

This is a retarded post.

How can you have an international tournament without having qualifiers? How is it even humanely possible. Use your brain cells before spouting shit.

And I am sure Pjanic helping Bosnia qualify for the first ever world cup (one of the top 5 moments in Bosnia history) and being a god among people of his nation will be A LOT more important to him than missing one game. If you gave him a straight choice of winning Serie A with Roma this season, or qualifying to WC with Bosnia, he would chosen the latter every single time, twice on sundays.

Be happy he'll be back buzzing of this magnificent achievement, in flying mode, and will want to be at his best form prior to the WC. It's actually great news for Roma !

WQ is simply not as interesting for many people including me and an injured player with enthusiasm or not cant do much  , flying mode ? meh more of Int fatigue

and about the choice and that statement read this

De Rossi said “Winning a World Cup is memorable, but I was not born a fan of Italy. I was born a fan of Roma"

sportsczy wrote:It's mostly people who have some kind of nationalistic agenda that doesn't fit a specific nation or their nation's situation that dislike NT football... in the case of Barca fans who are from the area, it's their dislike of Spain and their support for the independence of Catalonia.

If that's not it, then they're mentally ill

It's true, I want independence for Catalonia and I don't like Spain NT. However, even if Catalonia is independent I wouldn't be fond of international competitions because they are more about nationalism than about football and sports. Even grandmas who never watch sports tune in for the world cup, for nationalism off course. And then the quality of football is just bad, that's undeniable.

I find the olympics ludicrous for the same reason. Athletes should just compete under their name, not under a flag.

zizzle wrote:

free_cat wrote:International football sucks and what you mention are just pathetic expressions of nationalism that I can't wait for them to disappear in this world populated by just one human species.

tell me more about that, free catalonia

I favor independence of Catalonia because I favor democracy and as a way of problem solving. Catalonia and Spain are in constant political tension, and the best way to solve it is to let people vote and go separated ways. Once Catalonia is independent what I would love to see is a world government, European Union style, to be formed.

free_cat wrote:

zizzle wrote:

free_cat wrote:International football sucks and what you mention are just pathetic expressions of nationalism that I can't wait for them to disappear in this world populated by just one human species.

tell me more about that, free catalonia

I favor independence of Catalonia because I favor democracy and as a way of problem solving. Catalonia and Spain are in constant political tension, and the best way to solve it is to let people vote and go separated ways. Once Catalonia is independent what I would love to see is a world government, European Union style, to be formed.

no thanks

People in this thread saying things like "if I was forced to choose between club and international..." need a reality check. You don't need to make that choice, so why force the hypothetical? There's no reason to.

International football is awesome. The World Cup is the only event in the world that brings the entirety of my country together to watch football, fans and non-fans, watching together at 3 in the morning. That is something special.

jibers wrote:

free_cat wrote:

zizzle wrote:tell me more about that, free catalonia

I favor independence of Catalonia because I favor democracy and as a way of problem solving. Catalonia and Spain are in constant political tension, and the best way to solve it is to let people vote and go separated ways. Once Catalonia is independent what I would love to see is a world government, European Union style, to be formed.

no thanks

A World Union would be the best way to decrease wars and extend democracy and freedom. European Union proves it. Since it was founded, democracy is on the rise and steady and we finally got rid of the bad habit of killing ourselves in a brutal war every 40 years.
You should not think of a world government "big brother style", authoritative and centralised, but a small one, democratic and with small but key powers at a global scale, like human rights, enviorment, financial activity, commerce and peace basically.

Bénin wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Natalie Portman wrote:I don't watch football for level or quality of it.

I watch it for drama, excitement and emotions involved in it.

I guess it depends why you were drowned into the sport at the first place.

And it's all cute acting socialist being World Citizen, but the reality is different. Everyone has bonds and ties with some nations more than others no matter how hard one tries to deny it.

My closest links are England, Malta and Portugal in that order.

England play disaster football which I cant enjoy watching, Malta are terrible and have no chance to make any international tournament and Portugal have maybe my least favourite player.

You can imagine that I support none of these.

Nothing to do with "acting socialist", im not that complicated, trust me. I just really dont care.

you may be like that but most of people aren't .

And as I said in my first post, thats fine too, but dont jam it down my throat that I have no choice but to like International football.

Blue Barrett wrote:I think the major reason people get put off by international football is that those meaningless friendlies come when your club team is gaining some momentum in the league and players are playing well. All of a sudden they represent their country and pick up and injury or get fatigued and pick up an injury in the next match for their club.

yep

Or the players come back from international break and that momentum is lost and suddenly your team starts losing.

yep

Or you're from a country without a national team or your country have a really shit national team.

yep

I also think people would be more accepting of it if the quality of football was better.

aaand yep

if i wanted to watch something for drama and emotions i'd watch breaking bad... i watch football because a) my team is playing and b) high level of skill on display when my team isn't playing... i don't give a shit if [random country] has a great chance to make history for themselves and the fact is that international games are of substantially lower quality than the cl... even the later stages, it's a one-game elimination so both teams are too afraid to do anything... the last three competition finals were all awful, the world cup in south africa was an absolute shitshow as far as quality of football goes, so yeah...

also "acting socialist", wut?

I personally don't hate international football overall I just prefer club football much more even though I follow it.

Oh and I hate those useless international friendlies, I must admit.

International friendlies aren't useless btw...

free_cat wrote:

jibers wrote:

free_cat wrote:I favor independence of Catalonia because I favor democracy and as a way of problem solving. Catalonia and Spain are in constant political tension, and the best way to solve it is to let people vote and go separated ways. Once Catalonia is independent what I would love to see is a world government, European Union style, to be formed.

no thanks

A World Union would be the best way to decrease wars and extend democracy and freedom. European Union proves it. Since it was founded, democracy is on the rise and steady and we finally got rid of the bad habit of killing ourselves in a brutal war every 40 years.
You should not think of a world government "big brother style", authoritative and centralised, but a small one, democratic and with small but key powers at a global scale, like human rights, enviorment, financial activity, commerce and peace basically.

In theory I agree. But what if a worlds government isn't good anymore but turns bad? Especially with all the modern monitoring technology giving all the power to one government doesn't sound great to me even though I like the theory. The outcome would probably be a globalb civil war. It's probably still something to keep in mind but I'm not sure it could work.

Anyway I agree with what you said about international football. I don't like it either.

zigra wrote:

free_cat wrote:

jibers wrote:no thanks

A World Union would be the best way to decrease wars and extend democracy and freedom. European Union proves it. Since it was founded, democracy is on the rise and steady and we finally got rid of the bad habit of killing ourselves in a brutal war every 40 years.
You should not think of a world government "big brother style", authoritative and centralised, but a small one, democratic and with small but key powers at a global scale, like human rights, enviorment, financial activity, commerce and peace basically.

In theory I agree. But what if a worlds government isn't good anymore but turns bad? Especially with all the modern monitoring technology giving all the power to one government doesn't sound great to me even though I like the theory. The outcome would probably be a globalb civil war. It's probably still something to keep in mind but I'm not sure it could work.

Anyway I agree with what you said about international football. I don't like it either.

A World Government shouldn't have all the power as explained, just small fractions in key global issues (enviroment, financial, commerce, etc). They would be unable to seize the power of all the world at all just like the European Union is completely unable to impose its power over their countries, but acts as a new soft power trying to steer those countries to the desired goal.

Football, lads.

NEW WORLD ORDER!

Pedram wrote:

free_cat wrote:

zizzle wrote:tell me more about that, free catalonia

I favor independence of Catalonia because I favor democracy and as a way of problem solving. Catalonia and Spain are in constant political tension, and the best way to solve it is to let people vote and go separated ways. Once Catalonia is independent what I would love to see is a world government, European Union style, to be formed.

Will never happen, too many different variable (culture, religion, race etc).

They would have said the same about the European Union at the begining of the 20th century...
Anyway, I leave the topic to football.

I don't think the EU is an example of a success story... complete failure that everyone is stuck with for the moment. Too costly to unwind although it may stop being such a bad option if things continues as they are.

FOOTBALL, LADS.

sportsczy wrote:I don't think the EU is an example of a success story... complete failure that everyone is stuck with for the moment.  Too costly to unwind although it may stop being such a bad option if things continues as they are.

European wars since the European union was formed: 0.

Tremendous success.

I leave it here, I promise redorange.

Eivindo wrote:Its the friendlies that are often crap, and bring injuries.

So give us an international league, and scrap a few club games per season. Injuries happen in friendlies insofar as we remember them more vividly, because the matches seem pointless. Players would have less fatigue-based injuries if there weren't that many club matches as well.

Just make the leagues have 18 teams per bracket, and scrap the 2nd domestic cups some countries have.

More internationals that actually matter please. Atmosphere is so incredibly boss.

free_cat wrote:

sportsczy wrote:I don't think the EU is an example of a success story... complete failure that everyone is stuck with for the moment.  Too costly to unwind although it may stop being such a bad option if things continues as they are.

European wars since the European union was formed: 0.

Tremendous success.

I leave it here, I promise redorange.

I'll make a last point too... EU was formed in 1993. The Euro was formed in 1999, which is just monetary policy. The Kosovo war in Yugoslavia started in 1996 and ended in 1999. Slobodan Milošević was overthrown in 2000.

VivaStPauli wrote:

Eivindo wrote:Its the friendlies that are often crap, and bring injuries.

So give us an international league, and scrap a few club games per season. Injuries happen in friendlies insofar as we remember them more vividly, because the matches seem pointless. Players would have less fatigue-based injuries if there weren't that many club matches as well.

Just make the leagues have 18 teams per bracket, and scrap the 2nd domestic cups some countries have.

More internationals that actually matter please. Atmosphere is so incredibly boss.

How do you develop national players without the financial incentives awarded by clubs? I like friendlies because Argentina takes them seriously, but if you support a country like Italy where they don't then I can see why people would get frustrated by them. In any case international football > club in everything but the actual quality of the football.