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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
Rambo!
What a guy!
What a player!
What a guy!
What a player!
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
Are we playing the 'Let's bump this thread when Ramsey scores a goal' game?
Both different players, both ridiculously talented. Depends what you want from your midfielder.
But,
Brb gonna make a Luca Toni Vs Messi thread and bump it every time Luca Toni scores.
Both different players, both ridiculously talented. Depends what you want from your midfielder.
But,
Brb gonna make a Luca Toni Vs Messi thread and bump it every time Luca Toni scores.
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
We don't need either of them, so hopefully we don't make any unnecessary transfers.
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
If Khedira goes.. which is a complete possibility, I would still take either one of Ramsey or Pogba
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Tomwin Lannister wrote:Are we playing the 'Let's bump this thread when Ramsey scores a goal' game?
Both different players, both ridiculously talented. Depends what you want from your midfielder.
But,
Brb gonna make a Luca Toni Vs Messi thread and bump it every time Luca Toni scores.
Yea not getting what Lex is on about tbh.
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I don't remember bumping this thread every week thoughTomwin Lannister wrote:Are we playing the 'Let's bump this thread when Ramsey scores a goal' game?
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
Was aimed at all y'all
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vanDEEZ wrote:If Khedira goes.. which is a complete possibility, I would still take either one of Ramsey or Pogba
we will get rakitic if khedira leaves and I am perfectly fine with that
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halamadrid2 wrote:vanDEEZ wrote:If Khedira goes.. which is a complete possibility, I would still take either one of Ramsey or Pogba
we will get rakitic if khedira leaves and I am perfectly fine with that
Rakitic will be perfect. He will get the ball so quickly and accurately to your forwards that things could get scary. A ball winner with Rakitic and Illara behind would be perfect. Who would be the best ball winner for you? Martinez would be the perfect player but Bayern will not give him up.
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
I have always considered Illarra as an excellent ball winner. I don't know the stats but even as a CM half the time he has won the ball the most in our team after Pepe. But if we were to go after a DM then I wouldn't mind luiz gustavo. Martinez is unobtainable and would be too expensive anyways. we need alot of depth next season especially if we win CL because we are going to play alot of games. We need 2 midfielders at least
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
Pogba has more talent and is more skillful.
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Khedira will stay. Carlo likes him too much and he is different from any midfielder we have. We need another one. Ramsey or Rakitic hopefully.
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Jesus, Illara is so overrated. The most average player on that Madrid squad.
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No he is not. He is a very good player, but he is trapped into a situation where he hasnt played anything close to what he has done at La Real all season. You can say that he is not very adaptable, that's a better criticism. But truth is that playing Interior or defensive pivot is not natural to him, so us going 433 has seen him struggled for the most part of the year. If you dont play him enough minutes to get him used to his role, and ask him to back up in the most stressful situations, of course it's not going to work.
saying that he is overrated blablabla is a cheap comment
saying that he is overrated blablabla is a cheap comment
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Illarra's problem is that he has not been played in his preferred position alot this season and people are basing their opinions of him from two very recent games in which he didn't have the best of games playing as a CM.
Carlo has played him as a CM because we are short on those, while for Carlo this is a good short term strategy until he gets a back up CM it has made people draw conclusions about Illarra based on his performances there eventhough he is a CDM. For some people it's mindboggling how a CDM can't perform as the CM but it's very simple, they have got different skillsets and Illarra's skillsets fits the CDM role he has played all his life.
This is like asking Motta, Bosquets, Martinez or Gabi to play CMs it just won't happen and they are going to be left horribly exposed and people ate going to start calling them overrated and whatnot, the reality is that some players especially the defensive ones are made to play one position only even if they are very good passers because their style of play is different from that of the CMs and vice versa, you can't make a CM play at CDM because the same would happen with them
Carlo has played him as a CM because we are short on those, while for Carlo this is a good short term strategy until he gets a back up CM it has made people draw conclusions about Illarra based on his performances there eventhough he is a CDM. For some people it's mindboggling how a CDM can't perform as the CM but it's very simple, they have got different skillsets and Illarra's skillsets fits the CDM role he has played all his life.
This is like asking Motta, Bosquets, Martinez or Gabi to play CMs it just won't happen and they are going to be left horribly exposed and people ate going to start calling them overrated and whatnot, the reality is that some players especially the defensive ones are made to play one position only even if they are very good passers because their style of play is different from that of the CMs and vice versa, you can't make a CM play at CDM because the same would happen with them
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I think Illara was overrated in terms of physical ability and raw football talent... his ceiling is just not that high imo. But he can be good if played in his preferred role. He''s not capable of doing the job in all the CM roles... very few are. Pretty much limited to the role he played at LaReal. I actually felt that way before he came in so i wasn't that shocked in this regards. Madrid just deceived themselves here.
The part that did suprise me is that he's so timid on the pitch. He just seems afraid to take any risks. This part is on him completely...
The part that did suprise me is that he's so timid on the pitch. He just seems afraid to take any risks. This part is on him completely...
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Re: Ramsey vs Pogba
Sports, Illara in LaReal played in a 4-2-1-3 /4-2-3-1 in the two of the Montanier pivot.
That was partnered with Ansotegi, who covered the more physical role for him, he doesn't get that at Madrid.
He also has not thrived in a 3 man midfield to which he was always replaced for Pardo during Montanier's occasional 4-3-3. So far he's thrived on being the crux of the midfield with ample freedom.
The combination of that added with the fact that agree his breakthrough year and being bought for a GRAND sum to Real Madrid; will naturally extend the time he takes to adapt. You know this.
Hence why he is completely different in playing mannerism right to what he was in Sociedad.
Edit: FANTASTIC posts by Nick and HalaAtlético. You guys are on fire lately.
I just don't see how Sports doesn't share the same perspective.
That was partnered with Ansotegi, who covered the more physical role for him, he doesn't get that at Madrid.
He also has not thrived in a 3 man midfield to which he was always replaced for Pardo during Montanier's occasional 4-3-3. So far he's thrived on being the crux of the midfield with ample freedom.
The combination of that added with the fact that agree his breakthrough year and being bought for a GRAND sum to Real Madrid; will naturally extend the time he takes to adapt. You know this.
Hence why he is completely different in playing mannerism right to what he was in Sociedad.
Edit: FANTASTIC posts by Nick and HalaAtlético. You guys are on fire lately.
I just don't see how Sports doesn't share the same perspective.
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Lex wrote:I love polishing this thread off
As do I.
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FilthyLuca wrote:Lex wrote:I love polishing this thread off
As do I.
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