Did it make sense for Real Madrid to sell Ozil?

sportsczy wrote:And yes, Isco is just as talented and just as good if not better at AM... but to boot, he's in better physical condition and can also play CM without a problem.  Defends well too.

So if it was a choice between Isco and Ozil, then Isco all day long.

But this was more about Bale v Ozil and that choice... i'm not convinced and won't be until Bale proves himself on the pitch.

I dunno... was it a Bale/Ozil choice?
I don't think it was... It would then have been Di Maria who left...
I think it was actually a Di Maria/Ozil trade-off.
Having both as back-ups would've been difficult...
And Di Maria is way more versatile with a far better work rate.
Bale's arrival shook things up, but before he arrived, Ozil was already not starting and we coped just fine against a good Athletic team without him.

It was.  Di Maria is willing to go the bench and fight for his spot.  Ozil would not accept playing from the bench.  Also, Di Maria plays a lot more positions than Ozil and makes for a better sub.

So it was down to the starting spot and that was Ozil or Bale ONCE it was clear that CR7 at CF was not something he or the club wanted to do.

and to respond to another post above... how did Ozil become a starter at Madrid?  He was even less known than Isco.  He had Kaka and Canales ahead of him that preseason.  He came in and beat those guys out.  Isco came in this preseason and has outplayed Ozil pretty easily, if you were going to make that comparison.  That's how it works at Madrid.... the present counts.  The past is in the past.

I feel this discussion is not worthy; didnt ancelotti say he didnt need bale? So the question is; is Bale worth changing tactics, forcing Ozil out?

10 million just to do his medical? I refuse to believe. Surely not?

sportsczy wrote:interesting little tidbit: Sanitas paid Real Madrid 10 mil euros just to do Bale's medical. They wanted their brand plastered on the pictures of the medical

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/02/crazy-spanish-clinic-pays-gareth-bale-10million-to-have-real-madrid-medical-there-3946401/

There's apparently a lot of cash being thrown at Madrid so that they can use the media frenzy around the signing.

As for Ozil, 45m isn't really like Madrid are getting a great deal..that's what his value is. I guess Ancelotti didn't feel like he was necessary for the team.

I doubt Ozil would have been benched if he stayed. It would have been Benzema most likely.

Yeah, it makes total sense to sell their second best player in general and best creative player and gamble on some new toys to have the same impact once the Champions League knockout stages arrive. Because adding inexperienced names from Spurs, Real Sociedad and Malaga are going to take Madrid to La Decima glory.

And what is this "Özil didn't track back" bullshit? I have seen Özil manmarking Messi deep into his own box countless times.

guys, the Ozil song is out

Ozil was the best player to change clubs in this transfer window.

Brilliant by Arsenal, if they can by any means afford the price tag, ridiculous by Real to sell. Madrid will still be a great side, and we'll see a lot of great games from them, but there's no question they would've been better with Özil there.

Özil was their best player against Dortmund, for example, last season. Even though they eventually went out, and he was played out of position, he still threatened the most. And he's gone now. And I don't get the economic argument, as if Real couldn't afford the 100m for Bale. They certainly didn't need to sell Özil for money.

mate Arsenal has a shite load of cash in bank and from investors..

our 2nd biggest Shareholder is worth 12 Billion,,, only problem is that our owners want an organic way to run a club, that means clearing debt

They just sold their assist leader for the past 3 seasons and splurged 100m on a player who's only had one really great season. So no, it doesn't make any sense.

aleumdance wrote:mate Arsenal has a shite load of cash in bank and from investors..

That's why I asked about the price tag. I'm not exactly well-informed on Arsenal's finances. But I guess they finally realised the UCL qualification is in jeopardy if they don't spend a bit.

Actually, that was one of the worrying things.... Ozil's (and Di Maria's) assists dropped drastically last year. Benzema led the club with 20 in all comps despite rotating heavily. So Isco/Bale have basically replaced Ozil/Di Maria in starting lineup...

VivaStPauli wrote:

aleumdance wrote:mate Arsenal has a shite load of cash in bank and from investors..

That's why I asked about the price tag. I'm not exactly well-informed on Arsenal's finances. But I guess they finally realised the UCL qualification is in jeopardy if they don't spend a bit.

yeah maybe.

In the future expect more signings the pre-Emirates style

debt is clearing up too and we have bad boy sponsorship from Puma and Emirates

yes it did make sense. System changes meant that Ozil had lost value for us since he couldnt play n10 anymore. and sorry to say but he is not good enough to have the whole team designed around him so to cover his weaknesses. Isco replaced him, similar talent with better intangibles.

Last season Ozil still created goal scoring chances by far more than anyone in the club, still among the highest in Europe as well, it's not his fault finishing was suck last season that his assists numbers was just as much as Benz despite Benz created much less chances.

Mr Nick09 wrote:yes it did make sense. System changes meant that Ozil had lost value for us since he couldnt play n10 anymore. and sorry to say but he is not good enough to  have the whole team designed around him so to cover his weaknesses. Isco replaced him, similar talent with better intangibles.

thats harsh man, very harsh

It would take a brave Madrid fan to admit the truth. Their club has just made a terrible mistake.

Forza wrote:It would take a brave Madrid fan to admit the truth. Their club has just made a terrible mistake.

quite a few are doing that. the other (hollywood) part continues to live in denial and are in for a hard year

It's like selling a not injury prone Robben, only more so.

aleumdance wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:yes it did make sense. System changes meant that Ozil had lost value for us since he couldnt play n10 anymore. and sorry to say but he is not good enough to  have the whole team designed around him so to cover his weaknesses. Isco replaced him, similar talent with better intangibles.

thats harsh man, very harsh

well, that's the cold truth isnt it? Ozil's father had it in his mind that Ozil had to be treated like Messi in barcelona, i am not kidding, the quotes are out there. That came from the fact that Mourinho started moving him out of position last year because he couldnt defend in big games. He and his camp wasnt happy with that, so imagine how he felt when carlo showed up and did the same.

But then again, Isco has better intangibles and that's the truth, with a similar talent ceiling.

@Forza, the mistake is not sticking up to our players in believing in them, is it a "mistake"? i just dont think so.

Ozil is a CAM, not a RAM. Ancelotti should have thought of a more ideal formation. AM's don't really need to defend too much anyway. It's the wingers that need to track back.

Ancelotti has played a diamond previously, which could have worked.

Yohan Modric wrote:Ozil is a CAM, not a RAM. Ancelotti should have thought of a more ideal formation. AM's don't really need to defend too much anyway. It's the wingers that need to track back.

Ancelotti has played a diamond previously, which could have worked.

it depends.. fabregas tracked back at Arsenal and could defend sometimes

The second Isco was signed it was going to alienate Ozil. Flo knew what he was doing from the start. Plus with Isco AND Bale coming in...and all the cash spent between getting Bale, Isco and Asier....some one was bound to go in the middle and all fingers pointed to Ozil.

I thought it made more sense to find another striker to replace Higuain. Now if Benz goes down they will have to relay allot on Morata. They have a ton of holding/defensive mids but only one true attacking mid in Isco with Modric as a back up. Team seems over powered and unbalanced at the same time.

or could it possibly be that Ancelotti doesnt rate Ozil as high as some of you?

it's funny, when Ozil was in madrid, all the others german AMs were better: Kroos, Gotze, Reus, even Gundogan had become better. Now that he is leaving, Ozil is the shining light of german football. take a fckin hike

Mr Nick09 wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:yes it did make sense. System changes meant that Ozil had lost value for us since he couldnt play n10 anymore. and sorry to say but he is not good enough to  have the whole team designed around him so to cover his weaknesses. Isco replaced him, similar talent with better intangibles.

thats harsh man, very harsh

well, that's the cold truth isnt it? Ozil's father had it in his mind that Ozil had to be treated like Messi in barcelona, i am not kidding, the quotes are out there. That came from the fact that Mourinho started moving him out of position last year because he couldnt defend in big games. He and his camp wasnt happy with that, so imagine how he felt when carlo showed up and did the same.

But then again, Isco has better intangibles and that's the truth, with a similar talent ceiling.

@Forza, the mistake is not sticking up to our players in believing in them, is it a "mistake"? i just dont think so.

maybe Ozil's Dad saw the treatment Ronaldo was getting and that what caused it?

yeah Ozil, can't defend properly but what he does offensively is second to none, that what the others are saying, isco will come good, but he won't have that ozil impact..