Mourinho has failed!

Grooverider wrote:Madrid....the new 'England' of club football

Since when did England reach the semis of any major tournament? LOL

If anything we're the Germany of club football atm.

Swanhends wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Swanhends wrote:By the way: How many other managers are labeled failures for not winning the CL?

Enough said.

Any coach in Madrid have had, ever, almost.

The failure is not because of who he is, but where Madrid think they should be at.

In that case though, doesn't the fault for the problems lie with the club, rather than whatever manager they bring in every two years and place such unreasonable expectations on?

It does but the club can't fire itself.

Zealous wrote:

Grooverider wrote:Madrid....the new 'England' of club football

Since when did England reach the semis of any major tournament? LOL

If anything we're the Germany of club football atm.

1996

England were awesome in those Euros. Had a proper team but couldn't do it sadly.

Swanhends wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Swanhends wrote:By the way: How many other managers are labeled failures for not winning the CL?

Enough said.

Any coach in Madrid have had, ever, almost.

The failure is not because of who he is, but where Madrid think they should be at.

In that case though, doesn't the fault for the problems lie with the club, rather than whatever manager they bring in every two years and place such unreasonable expectations on?

I don't think it's unreasonable for a club like Real Madrid to win the CL in a 3 year project with an elite coach like Mourinho. I mean he has every resource he could possibly want available to him.

Should have won the Euro96

Shearer-Gascoigne-Sheringham :fap:

Mourninho failed in Madrid first and foremost as a human being, he became the worst person of football, and made Real Madrid to Real Moudrid. So one can only be thankful also for his football failings, which are sweet music to all ears. Given that you are not a fan of badmouthing, thuggery, diving, harassing, eye gouging and that sort of things.

Swanhends wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Swanhends wrote:By the way: How many other managers are labeled failures for not winning the CL?

Enough said.

Any coach in Madrid have had, ever, almost.

The failure is not because of who he is, but where Madrid think they should be at.

In that case though, doesn't the fault for the problems lie with the club, rather than whatever manager they bring in every two years and place such unreasonable expectations on?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

With Mourinho...no...is it unreasonable to ask apparently the best coach in the world armed with unbelievable funds to win the CL? I dont think it is at all.

But when you add in 1 league in 3, a team without a real tactical direction and various relationship problems with players..I really dont know what else you can call it.

[quote="The Franchise"]

Swanhends wrote:By the way: How many other managers are labeled failures for not winning the CL?

Enough said.

Any coach in Madrid have had, ever, almost.

The failure is not because of who he is, but where Madrid think they should be at.

very much like this post.

Sorry Stevie, i wrote a long ass response yesterday to your post, but when i was about to post it, GL gave me the finger and my post wasnt saved.

Notice that in my op i am talking about my experience as a fan, not the trophies he has won. Obviously there are many things mou has achieved and i will be the first to admit that. But overall, it's falling short to me. There is a reason i didnt make that post on a general section. it's hard for me to discuss things that make me passionate about madrid, and the ways i feel mourinho wronged me, with people that only judge us by trophies and so on. Overall, i do like to look at what the coach has built over time, it's very important to me, as it can explain some of his results today. Was it a shock to see us struggle vs Man utd, and losing to Dortmund? no if you follow madrid. I personally feel like he is a man that hid behind a hugely talented group, and i didnt see much coaching. I have debated this over and over. I do feel entitled in the sense that being in europe is where we belong, and getting back there was just back to normality to me. surely he is better than schuster and the likes for that, but is that really what the club aspired to? couple of copas and one la liga win? dont think so.

The Franchise wrote:
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

With Mourinho...no...is it unreasonable to ask apparently the best coach in the world armed with unbelievable funds to win the CL? I dont think it is at all.

But when you add in 1 league in 3, a team without a real tactical direction and various relationship problems with players..I really dont know what else you can call it.

again, just right.

Madrid don't play like a Mourinho team. Porto, Chelsea and especially his Inter seemed so much more focused and error free. Too many stars?

Well off he goes. Never looked like staying tbh. Really disappionted that he blamed the referee after the game because Howard had a great game. He thought Hummels should have been red carded
Off please now

Swanhends wrote:In that case though, doesn't the fault for the problems lie with the club, rather than whatever manager they bring in every two years and place such unreasonable expectations on?

You hire a manager, you tell him you're hiring him to win the CL, manager agrees to sign and thus agrees with objective, manager fails to meet objective. Don't see what's so hard about this.

mou gave it a good run overall if we look at some achievement, just wished he had made couple decisions in the summer for depth or plan b options and handled the locker room better that really played a role in the season

the club on a whole has more confidence and strength behind it again since doing better in Europe in recent years, so we wont be afraid like r16 days but more assertive and demanding our place among the best, mou might not have left us with anything tactical to build upon but he was the one to guide us out of the dark days

It’s funny how people define failure and success.
It shouldn’t really be that hard.
Success is not the same as improvement.
The company I work for hired a new CFO (finance director) 4 years ago with his main goal being to turn the Company to profitability in a 5 year period. Currently, while the company’s balance sheet is improved we are still reporting losses. The current (5th year) is following a downwards trend, meaning the company is at a worst position than last year. As every sensible human being could understand the board deems our CFO as a failure because, well, it’s not hard to grasp, he failed his primary goal. No matter if he managed to improved the company’s state for some years, he failed to deliver the result he was hired for, and in addition the company now is at a worse condition than it were last year.

Does any of the above ring any bells? It’s a true story by the way

I cannot understand how a manager failed when he improved a team

He made us win the league and made us a big side in Europe

CL is a impossible thing to guarantee, coach and funds isn't the only factor in CL, it isn't always the better team that ends up winning the competition. Hence he didn't fail, only Barca fans are the ones who claim so, but I think most Madrid fans have been happy with how we've been performing in competitions, but has disliked Mou as a person

Only Barca fans claim he failed? Have you not been reading through the thread?
Anyway...
"Best managaer" in the world + most expensive squad in the world = one ligue title and 1 or 2 micky mouse cups

if that sounds like success to you I'm cool.
In any case it's not hard to understand that he was hired to win the 10th and not to improve the team. he failed his major objective thus he can't be deemed successful. If "improving the team" is all you guys expected from him, then I'm fine. It's your team either way.
Being objective though, his run in Maadrid hasn't been anything to aspire to by any standards in terms of silverware

i'd just like to point out that mourinho's trophy haul in his last season with madrid will be, at best, equal to that of ronald koeman at valencia

NOT A FAILURE!!1111!!!1

Zealous wrote:

Grooverider wrote:Madrid....the new 'England' of club football

Since when did England reach the semis of any major tournament? LOL

If anything we're the Germany of club football atm.

Italia 90'

The Sanchez wrote:Well off he goes. Never looked like staying tbh. Really disappionted that he blamed the referee after the game because Howard had a great game. He thought Hummels should have been red carded
Off please now

Agree

I am glad RM fans think improvement is not failure. This mentality is good for us .

billy_gr here is another example: i have students who improve assignments on the second attempt but still fail to pass the course

billy_gr wrote:Only Barca fans claim he failed? Have you not been reading through the thread?

oh pls, have you read the thread? pls name the "non-barca fans" that believe he has failed

*raises hand*

look, the fact is that madrid have won the league roughly once every three years throughout their history, which means mourinho was exactly average in that aspect

he's won one league title, which is the same amount as valdano and schuster, and did not win the champions league, which was the sole reason he was hired... he's going to be a footnote in madrid's history, his only achievement is going from sucking in europe to choking in europe, if you think that's a success, good for you

Se7en wrote:

billy_gr wrote:Only Barca fans claim he failed? Have you not been reading through the thread?

oh pls, have you read the thread? pls name the "non-barca fans" that believe he has failed

I need to ask, are you okay?

The op was by Nick09 who IS a Rm fan... I'm not a barca fan....


This is the reason most posts lack any credibility, when common logic clearly dissapears...

@se7en: Nick for one and Sportczsy don't seem to be celebrating exactly. I could go on, but you are going to name Che as a closet Barca fan etc.
Not in a mood

ah, Jibes got there first...