Ronaldo vs Ronaldo

The Ostracised One wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

The Ostracised One wrote:Different players. I'll give my two cents.

R9 was a better footballer. Caused defences more trouble and was, like Messi, a fantasisti kind of player. And for those saying Ronaldo is stronger than R9, please get a grip. What has Ronaldo done to show he is strong exactly? I am really confused. Ronaldo is one of the most consistent football players in the history of football at what he does. he has been playing at the highest level since 2007, so for 6+ years. R9 was a better finisher, better at dribbling, better passer, Ronaldo's off the ball movement is possibly better.

My main issue with Ronaldo is the tactical anarchy he creates in all the sides he has been in. At United we had to push him up front so we didn't get dominated on the wings, especially in Europe. Happened against Porto, Arsenal, hell even Brcelona. R9 never caused such problems. Now who would you want in your team? R9 for me. He could play in a counter attacking team or a team that tried to break teams down. Ronaldo is thepurest counter attaking player I have ever seen.

I actually agree with you

However, I do think you are underrating CR a bit as a footballer

But he is the perfect counter attacking player.

CR has way better shooting.. wtf? Better finisher can be debated, as ronaldo is probably the better finisher (cr is much much smarter in his positioning) . But a better shot = better power obviously

Look at the goals scored in the last three seasons. look at the amount.. Hello..

Trust me I'm not. We are talking about overall ability. I am not taking into account Ronaldo's ridiculous consistency. I am supporting Madrid's La Farcima campaign because of Ronaldo...

#Calma #CR7 #LaFarcima

jibers

ronaldo a fairy

Sure he dives occasionally but i've seen him hold off challenges quite well

Ronaldo the fairy

Same old, if fat Ronaldo didnt get injured, he would have dominated for longer, became even greater. Although fat Ronaldo is probably better but individually and not as dynamic as Ronaldo like who can take freekicks and headers, etc.

CR7 again scores 50 goals in a season. That's now three seasons in a row. R9 has never even done it once. I'm sorry, I don't see any case for R9 being better than CR7.

calmman wrote:CR7 again scores 50 goals in a season. That's now three seasons in a row. R9 has never even done it once. I'm sorry, I don't see any case for R9 being better than CR7.

Watch him play in his prime instead of looking at the stats and your eyes will be opened.

The Sanchez wrote:

calmman wrote:CR7 again scores 50 goals in a season. That's now three seasons in a row. R9 has never even done it once. I'm sorry, I don't see any case for R9 being better than CR7.

Watch him play in his prime instead of looking at the stats and your eyes will be opened.

I did. And I'm sorry but R9 was a striker. A striker is mostly judged on his goal scoring. In fact that was why they still played him when he gained weight. When he was fat, he did pretty much nothing except score goals and they still kept playing him.
Name me any legendary striker that wasn't known for his goal scoring?

I started watching soccer when R9 was in his prime and in all those years, I have never seen a player apart from CR7 and Messi who I am shocked if a game goes by and they don't score. It's ridiculous!

^Such poor logic

Might as well claim that Cr7 is a better player than Marco van Basten.

Ozil better than Zidane , former been averaging close to 30 assist per season for the last 3 seasons , Zidane never did that.

Is Marco truly better than Cris though?

Buddy pls.. don't go there

Van Basten and Cristiano are kind of similar in a way.

Rossoneri Ninja wrote:^Such poor logic

Might as well claim that Cr7 is a better player than Marco van Basten.

Ozil better than Zidane , former been averaging close to 30 assist per season for the last 3 seasons , Zidane never did that.

Midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers are based on more than stats. But goalscorers? They should be the closers of all the plays that happens. Their contributions should be efficient and effective in the final third and nothing is more effective than a goal or assist. CR7 beats R9 in both.

Yes, even though people say that CR7 has no brains and can't pass, he's beating R9 in assists.

I'm not sure what else he has to do.

But I will admit that R9 was more fun to watch. Especially compared to this new CR7 who just focused on goal scoring. R9 was extremely skillful.

But I still maintain that CR7 will retire as the greater player.

Not greater, not better. Ronaldo is the best goalscorer in the history of the world cup, and about being a better footballer there is no contest, Ronaldo is better in every department, bar top speed, shooting, headers and off the ball movement.

Being a great passer is not about assists, because according to that Di Maria would be better than the likes of Iniesta, Ozil, Xavi etc. Ronaldo is a good passer though.

CR7 is bit better than MVB imo.

The player you claim to be the best goalscorer does not have a better shot than CR7...dat logic

What do you take into account when rating a players shot, likeastar?

ranDOM 10 wrote:The player you claim to be the best goalscorer does not have a better shot than CR7...dat logic

What do you take into account when rating a players shot, likeastar?

When I say shooting I don't mean 1on1 finishing, because in that aspect I consider R9 the best ever. It's true that Ronaldo scored some screamers, but Cristiano scored many.

That may be true, however that goes back to the high volume of shots that Cristiano takes. I feel as if his efficiency is lacking and that must be taken into account.

ronaldo is obviously better than ronaldo de lima... only blind ppl would say that ronaldo de lima is better than ronaldo...

what has ronaldo de lima achieved with madrid? yeh that should be enough...

Okay I have seen enough nonsense posted. CR7 better than R9, CR7 better than van Basten

and you are using CR7's goal ratio now to compare it to theirs

First of all, comparing this iteration of La Liga to the serie A that both those players played in quite frankly an embarrassment. You can sort of guage how little football people have watched for MvB's and Ronaldo's league to be compared. There is no comparison. Serie A in the late 80s and 90s was the hardest league football I have ever seen and quite possibly the hardest in football history. To give you some persepctive, Ian Rush was playing for the great Liverpool side, he moved to Juventus and scored 7 goals in 29 games in Serie A. Did he decline? Nope Ian Rush said that finding space was nigh on impossible.

Now we go to van Basten. MVB has the best movement I have ever seen a forward have. Add to the fact that MVB was incredible under Cruyff, so much so that his sale to Milan is the reason Cruyff quit Ajax and set about reimaging Barcelona. Even Rijkaard, one of the best footballers ever said that Serie A was harder than the European cup. That should you give you some indication of what I am trying to say.

Ronaldo benefits from having other plays suffer. Same thing at United. Rooney and Tevez had to change their game to enable Ronaldo's. Same thing is happening at RM. Benzema and Higuain are suffering constantly ffs. Ronaldo isn't a winger or striker, he does whatever the hell he wants. MVB was part of Sacchis system and had to play with the collective. He played with a team that effectively rendered the sweeper position obsolete. The spaces for strikers and spaces between the lines back then was so little that it makes the spaces afforded to forwards today embarrassing. Add to the fact that different footballs were used and that the offside rule has changed to favour attackers now you will see why.

Tactically, there is no comparison in what they had to face. For people to come out here and have the audacity to claim he is better tha MVB, please gtfo. I am tired of reading BS in this forum from people that have got as much footballing knowledge as a baked potato. For MVB to have even accumulated that many goals should be used as an arguement for him being a superior player to Ronaldo, not worse. His movement was ridiculous. As I've said he has arguably the best movement I have ever seen.

Now I have ranted about such a shameful comparison unto the thread topic. Ronaldo is better than CR7. Pure and simple. The teams that Ronaldo has played in have been superior to any team R9 has played in his career. R9 was never afforded the luxury of playing the fantasisti role that Ronaldo is playing. At Barcelona we all saw what R9 was capable of. Even at Inter the man was a beast. Once again he played in a league where trequartistas where shouldering the creative burden and the mf areas where becoming cul da sacs and the amouto fo service he got compared to Ronaldo is really not comparable to be honest. Go and read up what I wrote in the trequartista thread to gain some damn footballing info. Ronaldo despite only playing 19 league games scored 14 goals. He was injured for the bulk of that season as well. Again the spaces that forwards had to operate in where compressed to a level that would embarrass forwards today. That is why trequartista in the 90s was the hardest position to play and because of that R9 had to essentially drop deep to get the ball as most fantasistsis where hounded by 2 to 3 medianos (Italian for defensive mf).So for Ronaldo to get service as regularly as CR7, it was not possibke. Add to the fact that this was the period of tactical swansong in Serie A, then yoiu get the full picture. R9 was stronger, better at pasisng, more clinical, faster, required less space to operate and associated better with teamates.Most importantly, his presence on the pitch did not require other players to sacrifice their positions and roles. Ronaldo would never have survived under coaches like Sacchi, Michels, Lippi or Lobanovskyi, coaches that placed emphasis on the collective rather than specialists, which Calmanaldo definately is. Please I implore anyone even making these daft comparisons to go and watch at least 70+ games of either of these players.

The space that CR7 gets to run and be one on one with opposition in La liga is just quite frankly a joke compared to R9, who even when Inter countered, still had multiple players that foulded him and tried to njure him. CR7 gets nowhere near the same treatment, physically or tactically.

First of all I never said Cris was better than Marco, it was a joke so relax lol At the same time though the comparison sort of makes sense since they are similar players imo, in terms of skill set and what they could do.

We'll never know how well Cristiano would have done in Seria A in the 80's/90's so I'm not going to say he would have dominated it at the same time though you can't say for sure he wouldn't have done well. I mean we're talking about a player that has two feet, can shoot from distance, imperious air game and a great finisher. Also Cristiano's tactical awareness and timing is underrated and I think he would have done well in Seria A.

Comparing players from different eras is silly and frankly it's one step above people discussing all the possible integers as to why Batman can beat Superman. There is literally no way we can accurately compare two players from different eras that would be fair to both.

I don't think anyone can deny that Cristiano deserves to be mentioned amongst the elite now. What he has been doing recently has been magical and deserves respect.

The Ostracised One wrote:Okay I have seen enough nonsense posted. CR7 better than R9, CR7 better than van Basten

and you are using CR7's goal ratio now to compare it to theirs

First of all, comparing this iteration of La Liga to the serie A that both those players played in quite frankly an embarrassment. You can sort of guage how little football people have watched for MvB's and Ronaldo's league to be compared. There is no comparison. Serie A in the late 80s and 90s was the hardest league football I have ever seen and quite possibly the hardest in football history. To give you some persepctive, Ian Rush was playing for the great Liverpool side, he moved to Juventus and scored 7 goals in 29 games in Serie A. Did he decline? Nope Ian Rush said that finding space was nigh on impossible.

Now we go to van Basten. MVB has the best movement I have ever seen a forward have. Add to the fact that MVB was incredible under Cruyff, so much so that his sale to Milan is the reason Cruyff quit Ajax and set about reimaging Barcelona. Even Rijkaard, one of the best footballers ever said that Serie A was harder than the European cup. That should you give you some indication of what I am trying to say.

Ronaldo benefits from having other plays suffer. Same thing at United. Rooney and Tevez had to change their game to enable Ronaldo's. Same thing is happening at RM. Benzema and Higuain are suffering constantly ffs. Ronaldo isn't a winger or striker, he does whatever the hell he wants. MVB was part of Sacchis system and had to play with the collective. He played with a team that effectively rendered the sweeper position obsolete. The spaces for strikers and spaces between the lines back then was so little that it makes the spaces afforded to forwards today embarrassing. Add to the fact that different footballs were used and that the offside rule has changed to favour attackers now you will see why.

Tactically, there is no comparison in what they had to face. For people to come out here and have the audacity to claim he is better tha MVB, please gtfo. I am tired of reading BS in this forum from people that have got as much footballing knowledge as a baked potato. For MVB to have even accumulated that many goals should be used as an arguement for him being a superior player to Ronaldo, not worse. His movement was ridiculous. As I've said he has arguably the best movement I have ever seen.

Now I have ranted about such a shameful comparison unto the thread topic. Ronaldo is better than CR7. Pure and simple. The teams that Ronaldo has played in have been superior to any team R9 has played in his career. R9 was never afforded the luxury of playing the fantasisti role that Ronaldo is playing. At Barcelona we all saw what R9 was capable of. Even at Inter the man was a beast. Once again he played in a league where trequartistas where shouldering the creative burden and the mf areas where becoming cul da sacs and the amouto fo service he got compared to Ronaldo is really not comparable to be honest. Go and read up what I wrote in the trequartista thread to gain some damn footballing info. Ronaldo despite only playing 19 league games scored 14 goals. He was injured for the bulk of that season as well. Again the spaces that forwards had to operate in where compressed to a level that would embarrass forwards today. That is why trequartista in the 90s was the hardest position to play and because of that R9 had to essentially drop deep to get the ball as most fantasistsis where hounded by 2 to 3 medianos (Italian for defensive mf).So for Ronaldo to get service as regularly as CR7, it was not possibke. Add to the fact that this was the period of tactical swansong in Serie A, then yoiu get the full picture. R9 was stronger, better at pasisng, more clinical, faster, required less space to operate and associated better with teamates.Most importantly, his presence on the pitch did not require other players to sacrifice their positions and roles. Ronaldo would never have survived under coaches like Sacchi, Michels, Lippi or Lobanovskyi, coaches that placed emphasis on the collective rather than specialists, which Calmanaldo definately is. Please I implore anyone even making these daft comparisons to go and watch at least 70+ games of either of these players.

The space that CR7 gets to run and be one on one with opposition in La liga is just quite frankly a joke compared to R9, who even when Inter countered, still had multiple players that foulded him and tried to njure him. CR7 gets nowhere near the same treatment, physically or tactically.

That was a terrific read and very informative (I started watched football very late in my life, so I am never able to comment on the past, thank for for putting it all into perspective.)

Jibberson pls




On a serious note, its a shame such a post will be wasted on feeble minds. But preech on brother.

Zealous wrote:
I don't think anyone can deny that Cristiano deserves to be mentioned amongst the elite now. What he has been doing recently has been magical and deserves respect.

The elite of what? This generation or all time?

If all time then yes, I do deny it. Its not true.

At least 50 goals a season for three seasons straight. Consistent top scorer in Spain and in Europe and has been in the top three of the Balon D'Or lists on a consistent basis for the better part of 5 years.

You can say past player X and Y were better, that's your prerogative and I've already explained my stance regarding comparing players from past eras but objectively speaking he's up there. Only reason why some find it difficult to do now is because he's still playing and short comings in his game are still somewhat fresh to people who watch regularly. When he retires it'll be accepted as fact that he's elite and just like with past players only what they did very well will be brought forward when talking about them.

You and I been on here too long for you not to know stats mean totally nothing to me.

And the Ballon Dor, somehow even less so.

As I said, I do deny it, thats just my opinion. I dont care what people will think when he is retired, people (who to me are incredibly wrong) think he is already better than players he isnt and he isnt even retired. So what people think, I could care less about.

The Ostracised One wrote:Okay I have seen enough nonsense posted. CR7 better than R9, CR7 better than van Basten

and you are using CR7's goal ratio now to compare it to theirs

First of all, comparing this iteration of La Liga to the serie A that both those players played in quite frankly an embarrassment. You can sort of guage how little football people have watched for MvB's and Ronaldo's league to be compared. There is no comparison. Serie A in the late 80s and 90s was the hardest league football I have ever seen and quite possibly the hardest in football history. To give you some persepctive, Ian Rush was playing for the great Liverpool side, he moved to Juventus and scored 7 goals in 29 games in Serie A. Did he decline? Nope Ian Rush said that finding space was nigh on impossible.

Now we go to van Basten. MVB has the best movement I have ever seen a forward have. Add to the fact that MVB was incredible under Cruyff, so much so that his sale to Milan is the reason Cruyff quit Ajax and set about reimaging Barcelona. Even Rijkaard, one of the best footballers ever said that Serie A was harder than the European cup. That should you give you some indication of what I am trying to say.

Ronaldo benefits from having other plays suffer. Same thing at United. Rooney and Tevez had to change their game to enable Ronaldo's. Same thing is happening at RM. Benzema and Higuain are suffering constantly ffs. Ronaldo isn't a winger or striker, he does whatever the hell he wants. MVB was part of Sacchis system and had to play with the collective. He played with a team that effectively rendered the sweeper position obsolete. The spaces for strikers and spaces between the lines back then was so little that it makes the spaces afforded to forwards today embarrassing. Add to the fact that different footballs were used and that the offside rule has changed to favour attackers now you will see why.

Tactically, there is no comparison in what they had to face. For people to come out here and have the audacity to claim he is better tha MVB, please gtfo. I am tired of reading BS in this forum from people that have got as much footballing knowledge as a baked potato. For MVB to have even accumulated that many goals should be used as an arguement for him being a superior player to Ronaldo, not worse. His movement was ridiculous. As I've said he has arguably the best movement I have ever seen.

Now I have ranted about such a shameful comparison unto the thread topic. Ronaldo is better than CR7. Pure and simple. The teams that Ronaldo has played in have been superior to any team R9 has played in his career. R9 was never afforded the luxury of playing the fantasisti role that Ronaldo is playing. At Barcelona we all saw what R9 was capable of. Even at Inter the man was a beast. Once again he played in a league where trequartistas where shouldering the creative burden and the mf areas where becoming cul da sacs and the amouto fo service he got compared to Ronaldo is really not comparable to be honest. Go and read up what I wrote in the trequartista thread to gain some damn footballing info. Ronaldo despite only playing 19 league games scored 14 goals. He was injured for the bulk of that season as well. Again the spaces that forwards had to operate in where compressed to a level that would embarrass forwards today. That is why trequartista in the 90s was the hardest position to play and because of that R9 had to essentially drop deep to get the ball as most fantasistsis where hounded by 2 to 3 medianos (Italian for defensive mf).So for Ronaldo to get service as regularly as CR7, it was not possibke. Add to the fact that this was the period of tactical swansong in Serie A, then yoiu get the full picture. R9 was stronger, better at pasisng, more clinical, faster, required less space to operate and associated better with teamates.Most importantly, his presence on the pitch did not require other players to sacrifice their positions and roles. Ronaldo would never have survived under coaches like Sacchi, Michels, Lippi or Lobanovskyi, coaches that placed emphasis on the collective rather than specialists, which Calmanaldo definately is. Please I implore anyone even making these daft comparisons to go and watch at least 70+ games of either of these players.

The space that CR7 gets to run and be one on one with opposition in La liga is just quite frankly a joke compared to R9, who even when Inter countered, still had multiple players that foulded him and tried to njure him. CR7 gets nowhere near the same treatment, physically or tactically.

Amazing post.

I think you're missing the point, Zealous. It should also be mentioned that jibbers is making a case that the league that CR is playing in does not compare to those leagues of the late 80's and 90's - are you denying that much. You have failed to address those parts of the post and opted to act as if jibbers was comparing players from past eras. That is mighty convenient of you...

I will say this one last time, there is a big difference between shooting from distance and having a consistent shot from distance. When you average 7 shots per game for the past 3 seasons, you should be expected to score some screamers. Also, as jibbers already mentioned, players these days have the luxury of shooting with a different ball. But go ahead, keep ignoring those points.