Would like to discuss something Tactically to do with Arsenal and Cazorla

At the moment when i watch Arsenal, Cazorla looks easily subdued and struggles to find space and i don't feel it has anything to do with him being tired or anything like that....

He looks like he prefers to drift into central areas rather than actual having his set position in the middle.

For this reason i would put him on the right and allow him freedom to drift inside a lot like how Silva has, Mata has, Hazard has and on occasion Ben Arfa has.

I feel this would suit him a lot more and make it a lot more difficult for teams to pick him up and suffocate him and give him more space.

While doing this i would move Wilshere to AM and this would allow Arsenal to create more chances an stop performances like today from being a regular occurrence.

At the moment Arsenal's two most creative players are restricted and i believe it is stopping them from being their most potent on a consistent level.

They have other problems like Arteta needing a physical partner, Sagna seemingly going backwards, for some stupid reason not picking Mertesacker and Podolski and Walcott not being a proper fit for the team in my view.

But i think a lot of Arsenal's consistency problems are down to lacking ideas in the final third and i think these subtle changes will breathe fresh air in Cazorla and Arsenal's performances.

that's exactly how he has played all his career mole. Pellegrini has never truly used him in a central role, or at least he has always been shifting around a lot. At villarreal, the attacking 2 had freedom to occupy any space ahead of them, and at Malaga, he often played next to the DM and in wide areas. He isnt a classic n10 that owns the hole like Valeron, he is a mobile playmaker. Actually, we arent seeing much of those classic playmaker in spain.

It's a sound proposal, but i would say that if you play Cazorla on the right, then you need a fulback that will occupy the space on that right wing. It fits Arsenal idea of making the pitch small in the middle ultimately i think. But yeah, that opens up the question of who is playing next to Arteta if Cleverley moves up.

----------DM/B2B----Arteta
-----Cazorla----Wilshere-----Goalscoring winger
-------------------CF

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I just said this in our section. Cazorla can be very influential playing centrally when our midfield isn't having to deal with much pressure and when the two behind him are at 100% fitness, but a lot of time we're just not in this situation.

It's certainly worth a go playing him on the left instead of Podolski, who's a mixed-bag at best on the side, so he can drift inside and allow Gibbs to overlap; Gibbs is better in the final third than Sagna or Jenkinson. Have Wilshere as the central playmaker with Arteta and a new midfielder behind him.

Seems our priority this window though is more attacking players and not a holding player, unfortunately.

I thought so Nick i didn't really pay much attention till now, but i noticed Cazorla at Malaga and Villarreal when i did watch him moving a lot more and drifting from out to in a lot more....

As for the RB occupying the space i think both Jenkinson and Sagna can do that they may not be Marcelo or Alba type fullbacks but they can at least provide width and an option for a pass i feel.

As for Arteta's partner that is the key for this to work i feel because atm you are restricted to Ramsey or Coquelin so maybe postponing any idea of doing this until Arsenal actually buy a physical partner for Arteta that they sorely need.

I do feel both Wilshere and Cazorla are restricted by their roles at the moment though.

Or maybe for now keep Wilshere where he is and try Ramsey as the AM after all that is his position and he's never had an extended run there.

Also, any destroyer cant just play for Arsenal, he needs to have skills, which isnt easy to find

Cazorla had more of a free will in Malaga, now hes limited due to tactical decisions by Wenger.

Weird to see this as being brought up now as it was quite obv. from the beginning

Completely agreed.

Even when Cazorla plays centrally he likes to go on either wing to find space and link up with the wide player, so it makes perfectly sense to just play him a little wider so he can cut in and do his stuff.

I like how Mata and Silva can do that and I really believe Cazorla can do it aswell (he's done it before).

Another reason why I support this is because Wilshere just has to move permanently to AM which would leave space for a physical beast in centre midfield which would help Arteta, greatly. I believe Wilshere is being wasted there kinda like Leitner is at Dortmund. Both have the passing/stamina/high work-rate qualities which makes you believe they're perfectly made to play there but they're not. Their dribbling qualities and final pass suffer playing box to box in midfield so they have to concentrate too much in defending which makes Arsenal suffer attacking wise.

Mr Nick09 wrote:
It's a sound proposal, but i would say that if you play Cazorla on the right, then you need a fulback that will occupy the space on that right wing. It fits Arsenal idea of making the pitch small in the middle ultimately i think. But yeah, that opens up the question of who is playing next to Arteta if Cleverley moves up.

Anyway,pretty much agree with everything said here.
It's evident that we're too easy to figure out.

Teams pack the middle against us and it leaves us with Poldi(who's not the best fit in our system for that LW position) and Oxlade.(who still needs a bag of experience to fully utilize his talents)

The most rational thing would be to buy a DM (Capoue my preference) and shift Cazorla outwide or buy Adrian or someone who's 100% comfortable on the wings because it's clear for everyone that we're missing that spark from the wide areas at times.

Wenger's got the whole month to find someone.Let's hope we don't end up with another Gervais.

I agree with what some have said already, Wilshere deserves a chance to play AM. What he might lose to Cazorla in technique he more than makes up for with his movement, composure and vision. What's keeping Wilshere further back is that he actually can play CM just as well whereas Cazorla can not.

Diaby is done for imo. Too injury prone to make a difference, Arsenal should just look for a replacement.

I completely agree. I've been pointing out since some weeks ago that Cazorla should play in a wing, with a midfield trio composed of vermaleen, arteta and Wilshire.

However, I think I think it would be a better fit on the left with gibs runs, leaving right flank for Walcot and flopolski or giroud on top.

However, more than tactics, arsenal is lacking quality. players like arteta, vermaelen, merte, flopolski, giroud, Ramsey and gervais are not good enough to be regular starters for a champions league team in the premier.

^^ I have been saying that for years and I totally agree with the idea of moving Cazorla out wide. I also think him and Wilshere would link better if he was in a wider role.

free_cat wrote:I completely agree. I've been pointing out since some weeks ago that Cazorla should play in a wing, with a midfield trio composed of vermaleen, arteta and Wilshire.

However, I think I think it would be a better fit on the left with gibs runs, leaving right flank for Walcot and flopolski or giroud on top.

However, more than tactics, arsenal is lacking quality. players like arteta, vermaelen, merte, flopolski, giroud, Ramsey and gervais are not good enough to be regular starters for a champions league team in the premier.

Free, Arteta and Mertesacker have been excellent this and last season.

Without Arteta, Arsenal's midfield looks lost as his passing, vision and consistency and not to mention his defensive cover is vital for Arsenal. It doesn't help that he has had to look a little subdued since he has no midfield partner. Way off the mark if you feel he isn't good enough.

Mertesacker has been Arsenal's best CB this season.

Agreed on both points

Also #justice4Coq

Art Morte wrote:I agree with what some have said already, Wilshere deserves a chance to play AM. What he might lose to Cazorla in technique he more than makes up for with his movement, composure and vision. What's keeping Wilshere further back is that he actually can play CM just as well whereas Cazorla can not.

Imo Wilshire is at least as technical as Cazorla. Why you see him less technical?

Mertesacker has been one of the best CB's in the PL this season he's far from a problem.

Vermealen if anything is a weak link, i agree with Free on most of those names as starters but not Mertesacker and Arteta.

Both are definitely good enough.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Mertesacker has been one of the best CB's in the PL this season he's far from a problem.

Vermealen if anything is a weak link, i agree with Free on most of those names as starters but not Mertesacker and Arteta.

Both are definitely good enough.

I'd make a case for Giroud as well. After carrying Montpellier to the Ligue 1 followed by adapting to a new and more competitive league, 9 goals and 6 assists isn't half bad in a system which isn't exactly bringing out the strengths of the players.

Its not the problem with Cazorla playing in central area, imo he is not having enough support from Wilshere and Arteta because they have to stay deep all the time because none of them can hold midfield on their own.

Solution: Defensive Midfielder

DM Wilshere

Cazorla


When Cazorla is isolated, Wilshere moves forward while DM holds midfield. Problem solved.

@ Arq

Well yeah but i would still look to giving him some more competition.

free_cat wrote:

Art Morte wrote:I agree with what some have said already, Wilshere deserves a chance to play AM. What he might lose to Cazorla in technique he more than makes up for with his movement, composure and vision. What's keeping Wilshere further back is that he actually can play CM just as well whereas Cazorla can not.

Imo Wilshire is at least as technical as Cazorla. Why you see him less technical?

What I've seen of them this season, Cazorla has got the deft touch in him more often than Wilshere does. That Spanish groove.

I don't like arteta. He tries to be Xavi, but a poor man's xavi is a pretty lame and useless player with too many easy passes and unable to escape pressure, losing the ball... maybe he could be useful but playing as cm not dm.

Maybe merte has been good this season, but I know the player enough to state he is not good enough, especially for a high line team.

Mertesacker is definitely good enough. He's been one of the best and most consistent defenders in the league so far this season.

We don't play with a high line exclusively any more, either. A lot of the time, we've played deeper to help see out games, especially at the start of the season. Even in a higher line, Mertesacker has performed very well and has only been showed up for his lack of pace rarely.

So, in other words, you don't think Arteta is good enough because.....you don't like him

Such crucial insight and knowledge is invaluable to the forum. Bravo