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Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

nah the most incostistent team in the world cant do such a thing, maybe in a scrub league.. like BL

Ninis wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

nah the most incostistent team in the world cant do such a thing, maybe in a scrub league.. like BL

it's a shame that the most inconsistent team in the world dominated Madrid home/away.

it's a shame how they have won 10/11 this season, while Madrid are getting kicked by Sevilla and Getafe, drawing against teams like Valencia, even our B team will eliminate those teams, easily.

Bayern München >>> Greece

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

nah the most incostistent team in the world cant do such a thing, maybe in a scrub league.. like BL

it's a shame that the most inconsistent team in the world dominated Madrid home/away.

it's a shame how they have won 10/11 this season Madrid getting kicked by Sevilla and Getafe, even our B team will eliminate those teams.

thats cause sevilla and getafe arent scrub teams like BL ones
they know what defending means unlike..

ELO wrote:Bayern München >>> Greece

i agree

Ninis: thats cause sevilla and getafe arent scrub teams like BL ones
they know what defending means unlike..


Dortmund/Schalke are among the team Bayern has beaten, so get ready because according to your logic if Dortmund beat Madrid then we both agree Madrid are among those scrubs teams, isn't it...?

rwo power wrote:You might want to take a look into this: http://www.wdr5.de/sendungen/morgenecho/serienuebersicht/serien-2012/fussball-em/wissenschaft.html

You probably need some translation software, but imo it is pretty enlightening. ^^

still didn't convince me... I understand your ambition as a fan of Bundesliga and Germany's NT..
And stop being ironic, it doesn't make you smarter

Didn't Bayern München have the same start in the past two years? That didn't end as predicted, did it?

tuddor wrote:

rwo power wrote:You might want to take a look into this: http://www.wdr5.de/sendungen/morgenecho/serienuebersicht/serien-2012/fussball-em/wissenschaft.html

You probably need some translation software, but imo it is pretty enlightening. ^^

still didn't convince me... I understand your ambition as a fan of Bundesliga and Germany's NT..
And stop being ironic, it doesn't make you smarter

ok, I have always agree with everything you post on this forum,along with Juventus101, but I must concede maybe you are a bit wrong on this occassion.


since when did former player opinion stand as landmark for everyone to follow, it's simply his opinion and doesn't amount to anything.


Look at the match between Schalke 04 and Inter and see how well prepared were tactically for that match, also Leverkusen vs Chelsea was also based on tactic and knowing the strength of your opponent, Leverkusen beat Chelsea to their game last season (by relying on tactics and playing defensive), also Leverkusen beat Bayern 2:0 last season because they studied how we played and carried it out tactically, also if you notice Hanover and BMG against Bayern last season, it was all thesame.

urbaNRoots wrote:Didn't Bayern München have the same start in the past two years? That didn't end as predicted, did it?

Nah...Last season we lost our first match to BMG, Almost lost again to Worlfburg.

2 years ago, we had a really bad start, it was absolutely terrible start, because I remember clearly how Van Gaal was blaming our bad start on world cup and players fatigue.

we won 3 out of our first 8 matches, drew 3 and lost 2.

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

tuddor wrote:

rwo power wrote:You might want to take a look into this: http://www.wdr5.de/sendungen/morgenecho/serienuebersicht/serien-2012/fussball-em/wissenschaft.html

You probably need some translation software, but imo it is pretty enlightening. ^^

still didn't convince me... I understand your ambition as a fan of Bundesliga and Germany's NT..
And stop being ironic, it doesn't make you smarter

What exactly is ironic in my posts? I simply state facts. The German NT and BL teams do thoroughly research their opponents and set up their tactics accordingly. Dunno what exactly you need to project into my statements and why.

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

Once again you bring my supposed "hatred" of Bayern to justify my debates against your overblown statements. That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

Can we stop this league crap please?

When i say PL is the greatest league in the world it has grit and steel..... do you really think i'm serious? lmao.

Every league is great in different ways and poor in different ways its what makes football so watchable.

And no way shape or form is La Liga miles above Bundesliga or vice versa.

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

Once again you bring my supposed "hatred" of Bayern to justify my debates against your overblown statements. That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

This is this is the most insane thing I have ever read, everyone on this forum has now become dumper for reading this.


You are not worthy of a debate, base on that statement.

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

Once again you bring my supposed "hatred" of Bayern to justify my debates against your overblown statements. That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

This is this is the most insane thing I have ever read, everyone on this forum has now become dumper for reading this.


You are not worthy of a debate, base on that statement.

Yet you don't provide any concrete evidence of how Madrid did not dominate Bayern at the Bernebeu. Its always better to be bold rather than duck out of debates and providing quasi-nirvana fallacies. Not surprised here.

Arquitecto wrote:

That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

Ok, so Dormund flopping in Europe makes Madrid >>> Bayern?

And i agree that La Liga is (slightly) better than the BL, no question, but it's not a compeltely different level either. And yes there is no clear cut "best team" atm, but Bayern is certainly up there.

ELO wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

Ok, so Dormund flopping in Europe makes Madrid >>> Bayern?

And i agree that La Liga is (slightly) better than the BL, no question, but it's not a compeltely different level either. And yes there is no clear cut "best team" atm, but Bayern is certainly up there.

that reasoning is used by the messiah a lot even in this thread, but i dont see you interrupting him.

stop with the nosense, the one provides valid points and the other one biased goofy facts
there are many aspects that should be reviewed for the bayern-real clash
and only one encounter doesnt justify two team's qualities

Yeah thats because i'm not arguin[quote="Ninis"]

ELO wrote:


that reasoning is used by the messiah a lot even in this thread, but i dont see you interrupting him.

Thats just because i believe Arquitecto is a more reasonable poster than the Messiah

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

Once again you bring my supposed "hatred" of Bayern to justify my debates against your overblown statements. That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

This is this is the most insane thing I have ever read, everyone on this forum has now become dumper for reading this.


You are not worthy of a debate, base on that statement.

Yet you don't provide any concrete evidence of how Madrid did not dominate Bayern at the Bernebeu. Its always better to be bold rather than duck out of debates and providing quasi-nirvana fallacies. Not surprised here.

I don't need to provide evidence, anyone that watch Bayern vs Madrid (away) will know that Madrid did not dominate Bayern, instead Bayern dominated them.





Incase if you have forgotten so soon, then watch the highlight to freshen up your memory, Madrid were dominated.


http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2012/04/25/real-madrid-vs-bayern-munich-2-1-champions-league-highlights-2012-ronaldo-robben-goals-1-3-penalty-shootout-video/

Um, (almost) everybody here, could you please edit the stuff you quote from other people a bit so that you only quote the relevant points? This would make things far better readable. Thx!

Ninis wrote:

ELO wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

Ok, so Dormund flopping in Europe makes Madrid >>> Bayern?

And i agree that La Liga is (slightly) better than the BL, no question, but it's not a compeltely different level either. And yes there is no clear cut "best team" atm, but Bayern is certainly up there.

that reasoning is used by the messiah a lot even in this thread, but i dont see you interrupting him.

stop with the nosense, the one provides valid points and the other one biased goofy facts
there are many aspects that should be reviewed for the bayern-real clash
and only one encounter doesnt justify two team's qualities

You forget so soon, a day after the match against Bayern, you clearly conceded that Bayern are better than Madrid and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.


I used that logic because you made it sound as if Schalke 04 and Dortmund are scrubs teams, so I appointed out that if Schalke were really a scrub team, then how come they floor Valencia who drew against Madrid or how come Leverkusen kicked out Valencia out of Champions league and Bayern repeated the same.


Anyways this post is about Bayern, if most of you guys are reasonable enough, you wouldn't come here to call bundesliga club scrubs teams, because' frankly Bayern eliminated Madrid, Leverkusen eliminated Valencia and soon Dortmund will dominate Madrid

ELO wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

Ok, so Dormund flopping in Europe makes Madrid >>> Bayern?

And i agree that La Liga is (slightly) better than the BL, no question, but it's not a compeltely different level either. And yes there is no clear cut "best team" atm, but Bayern is certainly up there.

No no ELO you have misunderstood me.

My argument is if Messiah is rating Bayern among the ranks of Barca and above Real Madrid, then Bayern should at least prove themselves against a young team who spend far less than they do right? Meanwhile Madrid proved themselves vs the best team in the world in what is currently the strongest league in the world. These aren't outright facts but they do put things into perspective and not sensationalized like Messiah tends to do. I agree with the rest though.

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If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

I agree that Bayern deserved to go through against Madrid, but winning on penalties is nowhere near "blowing a team apart". Nor is winning 2-1 against a side that is 15th in the La Liga (valencia), nor is prevailing against a relegation side that is now relegated (Villarreal).

Schalke-Inter? Not even that impressing considering Inter were in their season's worst form and had a large injury list missing key players, managed by a coach who had less then 2 years experience in Europe. You know...the Inter that went through against Bayern?

If Bayern were beaten by at home by a weakened Chelsea side and destroyed twice in a row in the BL by Famous European flops Dortmund, then they have absolutely no stake on the claim in being superior to Madrid and Barcelona.

I don't know why its so hard to admit the Liga is comfortable level above the BL.

Considering your hatred for Bayern or should I say envy, there is no way you can reach a rational conclusion. Also it's not about just score line, Bayern Munich completely blew Madrid apart home and way and dominated them. Speaking of Chelsea Bayern also dominated and any truthful person will agree that it luck that gave Chelsea victory. Bayern also played with a much weakened side, we didn't played with any defensive midfielder and of course had to play a midfielder as a cb and lack depth or whatsoever, the case is different now.

Madrid haven't done anything to suggest they are as good as Bayern, they got dominated when they played against us and the burden of proof is now on Madrid to prove that they are worthy of challenging Bayern, it's no longer for Bayern to proof, base on this I will stop giving reasons as to why Bayern is superior to Madrid, the burden of proof is now Madrid.

Once again you bring my supposed "hatred" of Bayern to justify my debates against your overblown statements. That circular reasoning doesn't work at all.

You forget that Madrid did just the same and dominated Bayern at the Bernebeu which essentially renders you "Bayern dominated Madrid" argument futile.

Yes Bayern played a weakened side yet Chelsea played also without their best CB and starting RB. Don't you think "The best team in the world Bayern" should be able to beat Chelsea even if they are slightly weakened? A team which couldn't even finish top 5 in the PL? You know...because you always said Bayern's B team is world class right?

Luck is a lazy form of analysis. I wouldn't call 56% of dominance overall as completely dominating Chelsea. Nor would I call a Bayern just having 4 more shots on target complete dominance. I guess you didn't know Chelsea's plan and that is to counter attack which obviously gave you the illusion all that possession and shots is called "dominance". Bayern obviously were better throughout yet Chelsea went through and deserved it because they didn't choke, which is also impressive they beat a side in penalties in there own home.

The proof is in Madrid's amazing statistical play, visual interpretation and judgement, tactics and flexibility between the two in Europe and their respective leagues.... and of course winning the best and strongest league in the world. Meanwhile Bayern lost to 2 time European flops Dortmund.

And if you were wondering, I was rooting for Bayern against Real and Chelsea, and I don't care if you don't believe me in this statement.

This is this is the most insane thing I have ever read, everyone on this forum has now become dumper for reading this.


You are not worthy of a debate, base on that statement.

Yet you don't provide any concrete evidence of how Madrid did not dominate Bayern at the Bernebeu. Its always better to be bold rather than duck out of debates and providing quasi-nirvana fallacies. Not surprised here.

I don't need to provide evidence, anyone that watch Bayern vs Madrid (away) will know that Madrid did not dominate Bayern, instead Bayern dominated them.





Incase if you have forgotten so soon, then watch the highlight to freshen up your memory, Madrid were dominated.


http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2012/04/25/real-madrid-vs-bayern-munich-2-1-champions-league-highlights-2012-ronaldo-robben-goals-1-3-penalty-shootout-video/

WOW! You really have me convinced there. A pure team that focuses on possession (Bayern) against a counter-attacking team not so focused on possession (Real Madrid) Only having 55% against the counter attacking team isn't exactly impressive.

Same shots on goal.
Same amount of corners.
While Bayern have 15 more fouls than Real Madrid do, which is not a sure sign, but a slight indication of Bayern's discipline and struggle against Madrid's attack.

Oh yea... and 2-1.

And the last line won't convince me either. I already know who dominated.

5percent in Football means a lot, in case you didn't know now you know.

You said Madrid dominated bayern(way) but that is a lie like you lied about Gomez I a dialogue we had about a year ago. It's a shame for Bayern to play Madrid at their own stadium with 5percent more possession and more attempt than Madrid.

Our chances for were clear cut chance, wasted by Gomez and Robben, anyway I believe people already know who is superior between Bayern and Madrid, no point having a dialogue with Bayern hater.


Anyway, back on topic now, I hope Bayern win all their league matches and I hope we encounter Madrid again this season, I getting frustrated here and people need to be thought a lesson again, anyway I am pretty sure injury fit Dortmund will punish Madrid Baldy, too bad I will be on a flight the day the match is play, nevertheless if I get a safe flight back home, I will watch the highlight with joy, knowing that Dortmund will break some wings, that have started to grow again, after just 1 league in like how many years

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Ninis wrote:scrub league

If Bayern play in La-liga they could have probably won it 5 times in the last decade(between them and Barcelona) evidence of this is how we blow Madrid, Valencia and Villarreal apart. Also how Schalke, Leverkusen etc rooted Valencia.


Only real threat for us is Barca.


I'm so Happy Madrid are going up against Dortmund soon

nah the most incostistent team in the world cant do such a thing, maybe in a scrub league.. like BL

Why do you have to call it a scrub league? You are gloating because you chose the biggest team in the world? Let me ask you there aren't enough clubs to chose from in the Greek league? or do you consider them scrubs as well?