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Post by Gil Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:36 pm

Not talking about players who pad their stats with set-pieces (although they are a vital part of the game) but in open play only.

Is there a website that accumulates data for through balls/clear cut chances per game?

My own eyes tell me Mata, Messi, Ozil, Pirlo & Cesc are probably the best in the World in that particular skill with the likes of Ibra, Totti, Iniesta, Cazorla etc just in a tier behind them.

Are there any stats out there that can back that up?
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Post by urbaNRoots Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:16 pm

Gil wrote:Is there a website that accumulates data for through balls/clear cut chances per game?
whoscored.com banana

And according to that site Totti, Cassano and Pirlo have the best "Accurate Through ball per game" statistic this season so far.
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Post by Gil Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:20 pm

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Post by The Franchise Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:32 pm

Cesc LOOOL Your eyes need inspectinf if thats what you see.

Is the questiong, who has the best or who gives the most?

The best is still Xavi, but he plays a different role now, deeper...and Messi is the guy who makes these passes.

The most? I dont know, I like Ozil, Mata or Messi.
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Post by Jack Daniels Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:45 pm

Messi.
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Post by alexjanosik Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:52 pm

The Franchise wrote:Cesc LOOOL Your eyes need inspectinf if thats what you see.

Is the questiong, who has the best or who gives the most?

The best is still Xavi, but he plays a different role now, deeper...and Messi is the guy who makes these passes.

The most? I dont know, I like Ozil, Mata or Messi.

This.

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Post by Valkyrja Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:53 pm

Ozil is the best atm followed by Messi. Xavi would be the best, but he isn't the same player he was in 2008-2010.
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Post by urbaNRoots Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:58 pm

If "The Best Final Ball In Football" means the most accurate then I don't know how Özil and Messi are the best. They probably get the most but they also attempt the most and miss most of their attempted final balls.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:03 pm

Accurate throughballs 2011-2012 (whoscored.com)

La Liga
1. Messi 55
2. Verdu 21
3. Özil 20

Serie A
1. Totti 42
2. Pirlo 33
3. Ibrahimovic 29

Premier League
1. Song 24
2. Silva 18
3. Modric 17

Bundesliga
1. Reus 15
2. Baier 13
3. Arango 12

Uefa Champions League
1. Messi 14
2. Fabregas 10
3. Kroos 10

Messi makes the most daring and ridiculous throughballs there is, and he makes most of them. So he's easily the best at it.


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Post by Valkyrja Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:09 pm

Messi has more through balls than Ozil because the whole Barca team play to make him better, and that's a fact. Ozil makes the others better. Messi is a better dribbler, finisher, faster... but Ozil edges him in passing, vision.
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Post by Mamad Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:37 pm

Messi's stats are not real. i mean it isn't fair to Compare others to Messi.

Messi is in center of everything. Pedro gets the ball ==> one two with messi
Cesc gets the ball == > one two with messi
Alexis gets the ball == > one two with messi
etc......

and btw his playing time is twice as players like Ozil probably.

I think Ozil, Xavi and Pirlo are the best.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:44 pm

Mamad wrote:Messi's stats are not real. i mean it isn't fair to Compare others to Messi.

Messi is in center of everything. Pedro gets the ball ==> one two with messi
Cesc gets the ball == > one two with messi
Alexis gets the ball == > one two with messi
etc......

and btw his playing time is twice as players like Ozil probably.

I think Ozil, Xavi and Pirlo are the best.
Well, you are right with that part. Laughing

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Post by Arquitecto Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Kizu wrote:Messi has more through balls than Ozil because the whole Barca team play to make him better, and that's a fact. Ozil makes the others better. Messi is a better dribbler, finisher, faster... but Ozil edges him in passing, vision.

I sinceerly hope you are joking when you say Messi looks "better because of the system" as this logic and myth has long been dispelled.

And no, Messi does not have inferior vision and passing to Oezil. Not even close. Want examples? See Messi of 2010, Messi with Argentina.
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Post by guest7 Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:17 pm

Messi is much better than Özil at final passing tbh, not even close.

It's Messi imo. Xavi is better at it though, but he doesn't show it enough to be classified as the best atm.
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Post by Onyx Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:34 pm

Does it not matter what position they play?

Or is it any position?

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Post by Mamad Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:42 pm

Messi much better than Ozil at final pass? well that's new. nobody's final pass is "much better" than Ozil.

Well, you are right with that part. Laughing

I can make some gif's of Ozil's passes you know....
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Post by vivabarca38 Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:57 pm

Not saying who's the best here but I quite like Ozil and Cassano's final balls.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:04 pm

Honestly it's between Messi and Xavi. Don't see anyone else getting close to those two.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:40 pm

It's between Messi, xavi, Ozil and Fabregas for me
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:05 pm

Pirlo and quite frankly it's not close.
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Post by Mamad Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:06 pm

here Jiopsi unlike you ( having every second of Messi playing ) i don't have anything from Ozil these are from 2 youtube videos i just downloaded :

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Post by harhar11 Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:21 pm

I dont watch alot of Real Madrid/Germany games anymore, so can anyone tell me what position Oezil plays? I always thought that he played in the center as well...


^ 2 of those are not throughballs but crosses. Still final ball, but it does not count as a throughball. And honestly the last one is only nice, admittedly very nice, just because its a backheel pass but the pass in it self wasnt really that impressive. I think that in that pass it shows his great technique rather than his ability to make a great throughball


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Post by halamadrid2 Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:24 pm

Missi, Xavi, Ozil??? pfftt

DiMaria is the best :coffee: his throughballs are orgasmic, Guti would drool
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Post by DuringTheWar Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:23 pm

harhar11 wrote: Still final ball, but it does not count as a throughball.

Right, this thread is about final pass, not throughpass? A final pass is the pass that breaks the defence to assist a teammate right? what does it matter if it is a cross?
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Post by pewpew Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:43 pm

Özil

Messi might have the more distance in his best ones. But Özil is just quicker and more accuare when he gets the opportunity. He has been a little bit inconsistant lately though.




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