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Re: Ronaldo wants 400k a week
I wasnt talking about anyone at all. My question was purely hypothetical.
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Cronaldo is starving/he has to think about his future/where will the money come from once he retires etc.
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Real Madrid doesn't need to pay ridiculous wages like some other clubs to attract or keep players.. IMO he is entitled to earn more money than everyone except Messi.. Just don't want us to be the team that gives him that kind of money
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Good on Ronaldo. I'd do exactly the same. Milk the sport for all it's worth. He is one of the best forwards in the world and he deserves it tbh.
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Insane numbers being thrown around, but it's a pretty sensationalist headline too. It's not as though Ronaldo would see £400k a week; that's the amount he'd be paid before tax, which has increased substantially since he signed for Madrid. If it's true that Real own 50% of his image rights too, he's effectively paying his own wages. If I were him, my focus would be trying to lower that 50% margin.
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Nerman on over 200k a week?
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Really why?
City would pay 400k easy, Madrid better pay up.
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Football players wages.
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Article has no quotes or sources. Seems legit.
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Swagg wrote:Real Madrid doesn't need to pay ridiculous wages like some other clubs to attract or keep players.. IMO he is entitled to earn more money than everyone except Messi.. Just don't want us to be the team that gives him that kind of money
Real Madrid operates under the football world with the same rules, don't want to pay ridiculous amounts? Fine, don't, however be expected to take that stance and lose him, the same way Arsenal has lost dozens of players. The only difference would be Arsenal are following a business model while this would be only pride.
There's is no going back btw if this is true, if you force that player to shut up and keep his current contract you ostracize him and risk him wanting to move away, such as Luka Modric and countless others, if you say no to a pay raise, again transfer imminent.
There is no getting around Madrid losing money in some way, consider it as an investment. Instead of getting another player each window you get Ronaldo for one more season.
I just wish more people would take off their fan googles every once in a while.
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Are people actually defending the notion to grant CR his request for 400k?
Has this forum gone absolutely insane?
Has this forum gone absolutely insane?
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There's is no going back btw if this is true, if you force that player to shut up and keep his current contract you ostracize him and risk him wanting to move away, such as Luka Modric and countless others, if you say no to a pay raise, again transfer imminent.
how's that a bad thing? the club sends a message that it won't take shit from mercenaries... you care more about a 20% pay raise than about this club? don't let the door hit you on the way out... madrid of all teams is the first club that can afford to do this, any of their high profile players leaves they can throw cash at pretty much any other player to replace him
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25% unempoyment rate, and these athletes get 120 mio a year?
no wonder this thing is about to collapse.
no wonder this thing is about to collapse.
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che wrote:chinomaster182 wrote:
There's is no going back btw if this is true, if you force that player to shut up and keep his current contract you ostracize him and risk him wanting to move away, such as Luka Modric and countless others, if you say no to a pay raise, again transfer imminent.
how's that a bad thing? the club sends a message that it won't take shit from mercenaries... you care more about a 20% pay raise than about this club? don't let the door hit you on the way out... madrid of all teams is the first club that can afford to do this, any of their high profile players leaves they can throw cash at pretty much any other player to replace him
Really? Lets take a look at this scenario and imagine Madrid, like you suggest, say no to the pay raise and Ronaldo, like Rooney, calls their bluff and puts in a transfer request.
We all know how the Rooney saga ended, but let assume Madrid go the other way and lets say they take a Luka Modric approach and force him to stay one more season in Madrid.
After two windows everyone and their mother will be aware Ronaldo is on the market and available on the cheap, since Madrid is now forced to sell him.
Lets imagine Paris Saint Germain is still under the 'you only live once' mantra and buys him up for say 50m Euro, plus they might throw him that juicy pay raise he wants, just like Ibra or Eto'o.
Madrid has just lost a world class player and also lost some money on his transfer, but fine, they also gained some cash and let go a big earner of their books, lets say Madrid looks big and wants the best right winger that is currently around at that time which might be say... Gareth Bale.
Now Madrid are in luck since they are a bigger club than Spurs and Bale would certainly put pressure to make the transfer happen, however Spurs will also be well aware that Madrid has suddenly gained a big influx of cash and is in desperate need of a replacement for that right wing spot. Spurs will now attempt to take as much money as they can from Madrid, just like Newcastle did from Liverpool for Andy Carroll. Say Spurs takes away the full 50m Euro from Madrid for Bale.
Now, lets assume Madrid gives Bale a nice contract, however it won't be as nice as Ronaldo and lets assume Madrid save 4m Euro a year from the whole saga. Hooray! One less greedy player of our wages!
Now comes the hard part, Bale is not a player who will suddenly start scoring 40+ goals a season. Madrid will not be any closer than they are now to taking the title away from Barcelona, and they are already losing money from the loss of 50% of Ronaldos image rights and their renewal of future sponsor contracts. By not renewing Ronaldos contract, they will be losing both on and off the pitch.
Or say Madrid get really fired up, and instead of going for Bale they go in for Lionel Messi. You might chuckle at the thought of it, but Figo proved its possible, also just like Adiddas, i don't like to think anything is impossible. It will certainly take an ungodly amount to take Lionel Messi away from Barcelona. Much much less then it would to keep Ronaldo.
Not renewing your players is always more expensive then finding replacements.
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Lex wrote:Cronaldo is starving/he has to think about his future/where will the money come from once he retires etc.
hey!! sunday morning pedicures can be quite expensive, dont be so ignorant!!
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i think alot of people are forgetting how much profit CRs revenue profits us alone. it will be a loss for us in revenue if CR leaves, and there are no star player like him in the market bar messi
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#Bale4Madrid
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Really? Lets take a look at this scenario and imagine Madrid, like you suggest, say no to the pay raise and Ronaldo, like Rooney, calls their bluff and puts in a transfer request.
We all know how the Rooney saga ended, but let assume Madrid go the other way and lets say they take a Luka Modric approach and force him to stay one more season in Madrid.
that's very nice
now let's say they don't take a luka modric approach and don't force him to stay for one more season, instead ship him out next summer... ronaldive being on the market will send psg and man city to an unprecedented frenzy after the most marketable player in the world and madrid may get back all their initial outlay for ronaldive, possibly even make a profit... your entire post hangs on the desperate assumption that madrid will stick around with an unhappy player for a year
Madrid has just lost a world class player and also lost some money on his transfer, but fine, they also gained some cash and let go a big earner of their books, lets say Madrid looks big and wants the best right winger that is currently around at that time which might be say... Gareth Bale.
Now Madrid are in luck since they are a bigger club than Spurs and Bale would certainly put pressure to make the transfer happen, however Spurs will also be well aware that Madrid has suddenly gained a big influx of cash and is in desperate need of a replacement for that right wing spot. Spurs will now attempt to take as much money as they can from Madrid, just like Newcastle did from Liverpool for Andy Carroll. Say Spurs takes away the full 50m Euro from Madrid for Bale.
how about... madrid receive 80+ mil for ronaldive from either man city or psg and spend 60ish of it to trigger falcao's release clause... no "attempt to take as much money as possible", no negotiation, throw money at him and he's yours
Now, lets assume Madrid gives Bale a nice contract, however it won't be as nice as Ronaldo and lets assume Madrid save 4m Euro a year from the whole saga. Hooray! One less greedy player of our wages!
no, not one less greedy player... if the club take a stand against one player who is demanding a pay raise, the rest will be discouraged from doing so... you give in to blackmail once, expect to be blackmailed more often
Now comes the hard part, Bale is not a player who will suddenly start scoring 40+ goals a season. Madrid will not be any closer than they are now to taking the title away from Barcelona, and they are already losing money from the loss of 50% of Ronaldos image rights and their renewal of future sponsor contracts. By not renewing Ronaldos contract, they will be losing both on and off the pitch.
falcao already scores 40+ a season
losing money how exactly? half of his image rights (around 25 mil euros iirc) just about covers his salary and for some reason i don't think madrid need to have a ronaldive kit available for their shirts to be popular... same applies for other sponsors, if he played for levante then yeah, losing a player of his marketing calibre would be disastrous but it's not like everyone will stop buying madrid merchandise if he leaves
Not renewing your players is always more expensive then finding replacements.
individually yes, it's always more expensive to buy a player than sign a new contract, that's kinda obvious isn't it... considering the consequences on the rest of the squad however, if the club caved in to unreasonable demands of one player you can bet the others would start doing the same and that would result in a much bigger expense than one sale and replacement
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Lex wrote:Cronaldo is starving/he has to think about his future/where will the money come from once he retires etc.
Pension i assume
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Bale in Madrid would be tempting
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Bale in Madrid i like. he is great.
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Bale in Madrid
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che wrote:
that's very nice
now let's say they don't take a luka modric approach and don't force him to stay for one more season, instead ship him out next summer... ronaldive being on the market will send psg and man city to an unprecedented frenzy after the most marketable player in the world and madrid may get back all their initial outlay for ronaldive, possibly even make a profit... your entire post hangs on the desperate assumption that madrid will stick around with an unhappy player for a year
Disagree, lets take your scenario. If Madrid were to offload him in the summer he would be worth slightly more, however i don't believe it would trigger an unprecedented bid war between these clubs, i can cite three reasons why:
1. Man City has shown last market and in their statements they intend to follow and comply with FFP. There would be no easy way to buy Ronaldo at the price you suggest, give him the pay he wants and still be able to balance their books. They would have to offload a couple of players at the very least to make it feasible, and at that point it might not be worth it. Manchester City is a very intelligent organization and are leaders of analytical information in football, they wouldn't bid recklessly.
2. There has already been more than one instance where a world class player that it marketable has been on the market and no crazy bid wars happened. Again, Manchester City has the best example. After the fallout with Mancini, Tevez was suddenly on the market, City wanted 40m Euros which under normal circumstances would be a fair price for him. Even though Inter, Milan and others were supposedly interested no one bit. They all knew he was overpriced under that situation, and that brings me to my last point.
3. Billy Beane once wisely said that once you have to make a move, you're *bleep* because you're going to make a bad deal. Football clubs are now suddenly understanding this, they know they don't have to splash the cash like there's no tomorrow. If they can all control their impulses, they know Madrid will be forced to offer Ronaldo next window for an even lower price, and if one club can't resist then its ok with the others too, since that club made a shit deal and the others are now in an advantage.
how about... madrid receive 80+ mil for ronaldive from either man city or psg and spend 60ish of it to trigger falcao's release clause... no "attempt to take as much money as possible", no negotiation, throw money at him and he's yours
This is feasible, even if they don't get 80m for Ronaldo they could still buy Falcao, however, this is a less then ideal solution in my opinion, for two big ugly points that stick out.
The first is that Falcao is a very central striker who does not regularly drift wide, Ronaldo is a right wing player that drifts inside but can also provide width. If they play Radamel to his strengths, theres still a hole missing in right wing and you have three center forwards. Although Madrid could offload Higuain and say also bring in Bale in so now you have Bale Falcao and Benzema/Di Maria infront.
Now for my second point, Falcao last season scored 36 goals and gave 6 assists. Ronaldo scored 60 goals and gave 9 assists. Falcao can still improve, buts he's going to struggle to double his output in that way. Add into that the disruption of a proven team and i wouldn't guess the new Bale Falcao combo is better than the old Ronaldo Benzema/Higuain combo.
no, not one less greedy player... if the club take a stand against one player who is demanding a pay raise, the rest will be discouraged from doing so... you give in to blackmail once, expect to be blackmailed more often
losing money how exactly? half of his image rights (around 25 mil euros iirc) just about covers his salary and for some reason i don't think madrid need to have a ronaldive kit available for their shirts to be popular... same applies for other sponsors, if he played for levante then yeah, losing a player of his marketing calibre would be disastrous but it's not like everyone will stop buying madrid merchandise if he leaves
You're right in the fact that Madrid would certainly survive and would still be an elite club without Ronaldo and would still have millions of fans and attention around the globe. However i still believe they would lose money both in the long and short term.
In the short term would be if the go for my proposed Bale/Falcao combo, which i believe would cost more than Ronaldo/Higuain sold and the formers bought. But it can be avoided, say Madrid stick Marcelo in RW and only buy Falcao.
In the long term because the team would be less competitive, both in Europe and in La Liga and sponsorship deals are in this particular moment, soaring to new record highs, and Sponsors of course are looking at which clubs are in. Take the new incredible United and City deals for example, in Uniteds case they knew that losing Wayne Rooney would be a huge deal and they quickly came up with an awesome deal for him. Madrid might be leaving a lot of money on the table without their stars, Perez bases his whole presidency around that ideology in fact.
Also the Rooney case was a nice precedent on a club that gave an amazing deal to its star player and didn't have the rest of the team all bothered and lined up for similar deals, this happens because they all know that they have to start performing that way to be able to negotiate such deals, they're not stupid, they all have very slick agents.
But you can also imagine Madrid having to shell out new contracts for maybe, Ronaldo, Benzema and Ozil and paying an extra 50m in wages alone each year or some other silly amount. Madrid are in the unique position of one of the very very limited clubs that can afford such a thing. If they deny, then players suddenly understand that Madrid is now like Arsenal, a club where you can't take your career to the very top and suddenly players won't like playing in a team that sells their stars and replaces them with inferior players and doesn't give out fair wages and more transfer requests will pop up, and the whole cycle we're discussing will repeat and Madrid will lose even more money. Arsenal does it because they have no other choice, Madrid on the other hand does. Trying to stop time is the unwisest thing a football club can do.
So i disagree with you, the transfer market is inefficient, saying No to transfers is a good way to save money.
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