Let's imagine if Ronaldo......

its not just about ability and records! if that was the case it'd be so much harder for the defenders or goalkeepers to be legends!
obviously being a great player is a plus but its about heart! its about the fans seeing that you love teh club and will bleed for that badge! ronaldo wouldnt die for that utd jersey and man utds fans saw that so thats why he wont go down as one of their legends!
they appreciate him, they recognise and acknowledge his abilities and records but thats all, nothing more!

Lets see....Ronaldo is the ONLY Manchester United player to win the Ballon d'or with red devils shirt and he's not a ManU legend?? He is.

And he is already a Real Madrid legend aswell, dude has scored 40+ goals in two Liga seasons, nobody did it for us, he's surpassing all Real Madrid scoring records, above people like Di Stefano, Puskas or Hugo Sanchez.

Thats the way it is. I can understand than leaving United hurt them to name him an all time great for them. But he won 3 premier leagues champions league or ballon d'or titles being United's leader. That history.

cyberman wrote:How would cherry picking the best teams in every league be a sign of anything?
If Daniel agger joined city, juve and then Madrid, would hat make him a special player?
Cr7 overhauled a mourinho inspired Chelsea and europemwith utd, in a team that failed to qualify from their cl group 2 years prior
That will alWays be his biggest achievement over joining a billion dollar squad or cherry picking the best Italian side in any given season

He joined a team that failed to qualify to quarter finals 5 years in a row in Europe. A team that lost 2 times in a row against 3rd division teams in Copa, and was getting murdered by Barcelona constantly. Now he is the leader(not one more) in one of the best 2 teams in the game. And maybe I failed in my OP. Lets say he doesnt join Juve. Every single team in Italy with Ronaldo, makes them the best team in Serie A. Napoli+Ronaldo Inter+Ronaldo etc.

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

cyberman wrote:How would cherry picking the best teams in every league be a sign of anything?
If Daniel agger joined city, juve and then Madrid, would hat make him a special player?
Cr7 overhauled a mourinho inspired Chelsea and europemwith utd, in a team that failed to qualify from their cl group 2 years prior
That will alWays be his biggest achievement over joining a billion dollar squad or cherry picking the best Italian side in any given season

He joined a team that failed to qualify to quarter finals 5 years in a row in Europe. A team that lost 2 times in a row against 3rd division teams in Copa, and was getting murdered by Barcelona constantly. Now he is the leader(not one more) in one of the best 2 teams in the game. And maybe I failed in my OP. Lets say he doesnt join Juve. Every single team in Italy with Ronaldo, makes them the best team in Serie A. Napoli+Ronaldo Inter+Ronaldo etc.

Real's recent success is nowhere near directly proportional to CR's arrival as you fail to take into account numerous factors accounting their recent progress. And no he is nowhere near the leader of Madrid and Iker, Xabi and Ramos say hi.

And no, any Serie A team who possess CR wouldn't automatically be the best as you are severely overestimating his abilities along with how players like him are the completely opposite of who succeed in the league.

Arquitecto wrote:

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

cyberman wrote:How would cherry picking the best teams in every league be a sign of anything?
If Daniel agger joined city, juve and then Madrid, would hat make him a special player?
Cr7 overhauled a mourinho inspired Chelsea and europemwith utd, in a team that failed to qualify from their cl group 2 years prior
That will alWays be his biggest achievement over joining a billion dollar squad or cherry picking the best Italian side in any given season

He joined a team that failed to qualify to quarter finals 5 years in a row in Europe. A team that lost 2 times in a row against 3rd division teams in Copa, and was getting murdered by Barcelona constantly. Now he is the leader(not one more) in one of the best 2 teams in the game. And maybe I failed in my OP. Lets say he doesnt join Juve. Every single team in Italy with Ronaldo, makes them the best team in Serie A. Napoli+Ronaldo Inter+Ronaldo etc.

Real's recent success is nowhere near directly proportional to CR's arrival as you fail to take into account numerous factors accounting their recent progress. And no he is nowhere near the leader of Madrid and Iker, Xabi and Ramos say hi.

And no, any Serie A team who possess CR wouldn't automatically be the best as you are severely overestimating his abilities along with how players like him are the completely opposite of who succeed in the league.

Disagree. Real Madrid's success is directly CR7's sucess. Just the same like if Barcelona wins everything, Messi will win every single individual title, and he has Xavi iniesta or captain Puyol, too. If Real Madrid wins liga and champions league, CR7 would be Ballon dor thanks to that, everybody knows thats the reality. Maybe is not fair, but thats the way it is. He is Real Madrids icon nowadays.

Cristiano is a Madrid legend too now? Really?

All it takes is one single La Liga and a whole bunch a pens and tap ins.

If Madrid follow up this season with no title, no CL then last season will be little more than a personal memory for yall.

For example, does anyone even remember the 2 years Madrid won while Rijkaard's team declined? Is Van Nisterooy a Madrid legend?

People in 20 years will look back on last season (if that all they win) like, thats the season within the era of Barca they didnt win. Just like they do with 07...they talk about Ronaldinho's decline and Rijkaard's lost control..not Madrid.

Its one thing to say Cristiano a Man Utd legend. We all know he isnt, but of course to put the new idol in the best light possible is what you guys like to do..but your even willing to go as far as to say he is a Madrid legend too?

How isn't Cristiano a Madrid/United legend? Carried United to three consecutive League titles & their 2nd only Champions League in a League which contained the 2nd most expensive squad in history at the time.

Had three consecutive historic goalscoring seasons for Madrid and led them to the greatest ever La Liga points tally over the best club side in history.

If he buried his penalty and Ramos didn't sky his and they went on to beat Chelsea in the Final would people consider him a Madrid legend then?

Can't dribble anymore and his decision making lets him down at times but he's still one of the greatest to ever play the game. People would be calling him one of the GOAT's if he wasn't playing in Messi's era.

Gil wrote:How isn't Cristiano a Madrid/United legend? Carried United to three consecutive League titles & their 2nd only Champions League in a League which contained the 2nd most expensive squad in history at the time.

Had three consecutive historic goalscoring seasons for Madrid and led them to the greatest ever La Liga points tally over the best club side in history.

If he buried his penalty and Ramos didn't sky his and they went on to beat Chelsea in the Final would people consider him a Madrid legend then?

Can't dribble anymore and his decision making lets him down at times but he's still one of the greatest to ever play the game. People would be calling him one of the GOAT's if he wasn't playing in Messi's era.

No he didnt.

No he isnt.

No they wouldnt.

He didnt carry them, he was part of.

He isnt a top 50 player ever, let alone one of the best to ever play.

Some would call him that, they would be wrong. Others would wonder what the hell happened the good players.

Quite frankly the majority and the media portrays him as one of the best players in this current era and in the world, so he'll go down as one of the best.

floren, no matter how much you point to records and ballon d'ors, at the end of the day its how you conduct yourself as a person while wearing the jersey, how you respect your teammates and club while there and while ronaldo will go down as a great player, he wont ever be a legend at man utd for that reason!
i live in ireland, most of my friends support premier league clubs like man utd or liverpool and not one will say that he's a legend at man utd! they feel that he was on the cusp of becoming one but instead openly said he wanted to leave and move to the "biggest club in the world" and in their eyes disrespected the club, blowing all chances of ever becoming one!

you can argue whatever way you want about him being a madrid legend, thats your club, but i can 100% say to man utd fans here in ireland and england, he never will be a man utd legend!

Gil wrote:How isn't Cristiano a Madrid/United legend? Carried United to three consecutive League titles & their 2nd only Champions League in a League which contained the 2nd most expensive squad in history at the time.

Had three consecutive historic goalscoring seasons for Madrid and led them to the greatest ever La Liga points tally over the best club side in history.

If he buried his penalty and Ramos didn't sky his and they went on to beat Chelsea in the Final would people consider him a Madrid legend then?

Can't dribble anymore and his decision making lets him down at times but he's still one of the greatest to ever play the game. People would be calling him one of the GOAT's if he wasn't playing in Messi's era.

Lol He didn't carry them, He was part of an amazing team which won the Titles. If Ronaldo was in Last year's Arsenal Team and had they won something, you would say he carried them but C'mon. A team with Tevez, Rooney, Vidic n Prime Ferdinand. The argument in Invalid

He Would have been a Man utd legend had he stayed few more years. But he isn't

Madrid isint the team to carry. I could understand AC milan, Arsenal or any other club.

Nameless wrote:Quite frankly the majority and the media portrays him as one of the best players in this current era and in the world, so he'll go down as one of the best.

Thats great. However, this is a forum where we have our own opinions and dont have to follow what everyone else says like sheep. I know its harder for some than others, but it is possible to go against the grain and be right.

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

cyberman wrote:How would cherry picking the best teams in every league be a sign of anything?
If Daniel agger joined city, juve and then Madrid, would hat make him a special player?
Cr7 overhauled a mourinho inspired Chelsea and europemwith utd, in a team that failed to qualify from their cl group 2 years prior
That will alWays be his biggest achievement over joining a billion dollar squad or cherry picking the best Italian side in any given season

He joined a team that failed to qualify to quarter finals 5 years in a row in Europe. A team that lost 2 times in a row against 3rd division teams in Copa, and was getting murdered by Barcelona constantly. Now he is the leader(not one more) in one of the best 2 teams in the game. And maybe I failed in my OP. Lets say he doesnt join Juve. Every single team in Italy with Ronaldo, makes them the best team in Serie A. Napoli+Ronaldo Inter+Ronaldo etc.

Real's recent success is nowhere near directly proportional to CR's arrival as you fail to take into account numerous factors accounting their recent progress. And no he is nowhere near the leader of Madrid and Iker, Xabi and Ramos say hi.

And no, any Serie A team who possess CR wouldn't automatically be the best as you are severely overestimating his abilities along with how players like him are the completely opposite of who succeed in the league.

Disagree. Real Madrid's success is directly CR7's sucess. Just the same like if Barcelona wins everything, Messi will win every single individual title, and he has Xavi iniesta or captain Puyol, too. If Real Madrid wins liga and champions league, CR7 would be Ballon dor thanks to that, everybody knows thats the reality. Maybe is not fair, but thats the way it is. He is Real Madrids icon nowadays.

Wake up dude CR is not Messi and Messi doesnt need team titles to win individual titles. he wins it because he is the best

CR is only about scoring and without penalties he is not better than higuain or benzema

I wasnt judging your opinion.

The Franchise wrote:Cristiano is a Madrid legend too now? Really?

All it takes is one single La Liga and a whole bunch a pens and tap ins.

If Madrid follow up this season with no title, no CL then last season will be little more than a personal memory for yall.

For example, does anyone even remember the 2 years Madrid won while Rijkaard's team declined? Is Van Nisterooy a Madrid legend?

People in 20 years will look back on last season (if that all they win) like, thats the season within the era of Barca they didnt win. Just like they do with 07...they talk about Ronaldinho's decline and Rijkaard's lost control..not Madrid.

Its one thing to say Cristiano a Man Utd legend. We all know he isnt, but of course to put the new idol in the best light possible is what you guys like to do..but your even willing to go as far as to say he is a Madrid legend too?

severely butthurt barca fan, hanging around with jiopsi and billions alot? smh

Funny thing is, he scored 3 goals against barcelona since january, and NONE of them is a tap in used his speed to get around inferior player or brake the offside trap and scored in all instances, though from good assists.

Not saying he's a madrid legend yet, but a player who scored the FASTEST century goal in la liga history,,, player who has scored 50+ goals for madrid two seasons in a row.... player who clenched the league by Silencing Camp Nou after his non-tapin non-penalty goal and a player who is FIRST in history of la liga to score against EVERY la liga side in a single season, deserves to be a future legend... you are too butthurt to realize it though

Legends are announced in the end of careers, no one really becomes a legend in the middle of their career UNLESS they've done special for a single team since the're 17 and now they are 30 or something..

I don't understand why some people release their biased and prejudice views against players, when it is clear to everyone that they already hate him.. so it natural that a player who silenced camp nou is hated and discredit by those who are suffering...

And one more thing, proving yourself in a many different leagues shows you don't need to hide behind the support of a few players to make yourself look good... which is the case with MANY players these days so therefore being successful in 3 leagues is better than being in one.

BUT if Ronaldo stays in Madrid until he is 33-34 and in process scored 500+ goals and wins many trophies, i don't know why he wouldn't be a madrid legend...

Honestly, Madrid fans, does it really matter?

Not really tbh. Dont care whose or whats legend he is. Hes just another footballer.

Why do you insist on turning every debate in Barca-Madrid in some way, shape or form.

Grow up, please.

I couldnt be bothered reading your entire block of fanboy chatter, I skimmed it and found nothing of intrest so ill just post this to tell you I see your post, but its not good enough for me to reply to so I will move on and reply to other posts once they arrive. I advise you do the same.

calling one of the world top player having a top season as merely - seasons willed with penalties and tapins - is immature, disrespectful and uncalled for.

and that was what i was getting at.

and the 2nd part of my post was for everyone else not specifically to you.

penalties and tap ins are goals too. He shouldnt be incriminated because of that or anyone in that case tbf.

Penalties should only be used against him in internal arguments about other players who actually play for Real Madrid

@ Izzy don't care about United, care about Madrid.

I agree Le Samourai and nameless... that is why i am saying that it is immature and uncalled for to discredit a player's whole season by saying such things as penalty and tapins... ffs did he even see ronaldo's 30 yard goals against likes of sevilla and atletico madrid... and what's even funnier is none of his goals against barca were tap ins... such irrelevant points were made, which i addressed.

Ronaldo 60 goals - 14 penalties = 46 goals
Benzema 32 goals + 14 penalties = 46 goals

Ronaldo 15 assists
Benzema 20 assists

Ronaldo 90 minutes every game
Benzema 60 minutes every game

and they say Ronaldo is a legend and he leads us

Le Samourai wrote:Penalties should only be used against him in internal arguments about other players who actually play for Real Madrid

@ Izzy don't care about United, care about Madrid.

I honestly don't care about this constant pissing contest. It's the same shit everyday, 'Ronaldo sucks, Ronaldo GOAT, Madrid suck, Madrid GOAT'.

It's just tiring, and for the life of me I have no idea why you guys respond to it.

I will stop soon, it's getting ridiculous and i'm wasting my time. People will believe what they want to believe.